Against this, the Restore case. Their central claim, repeated by Rupert Lowe and echoed across social media by his more vigorous supporters, is that all Labour figures are the same, Reform and the Tories are essentially equivalent: that it is all the uniparty, that there is nothing meaningfully to choose between them. I have to say, with respect, that this is patently and provably untrue. Reform’s record in local government, its positions on immigration, on Net Zero, on civil liberties, on the democratic accountability of public institutions, represents a genuine and substantive break from the political consensus of the last thirty years. One may argue about pace, emphasis, internal culture. One may not, in good conscience, argue that there is no difference between a party committed to rolling back mass illegal immigration and a party that presided over it.
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The William F. Buckley rule applies – vote for the most conservative candidate who has-a-chance-of-winning.
That is the basic principle in a First-Past-the-Post voting system.
This means that the Conservative Party candidate (the Father of the House of Commons, the longest serving Conservative Party Member of Parliament, urged that no Conservative Party candidate should stand for election – and he was correct) and the Restore Party candidate should stand-down – as, otherwise, they are helping Andrew “Andy” Burnham – who would cause even more harm to the United Kingdom than the present Prime Minister is causing. Yes both are servants of the officials and “experts” – but some servants are worse than other servants.
“But Rupert Lowe is correct about……” – that does not matter, you vote for the most conservative candidate WHO HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING.
All that being said – the errors in the article need to be called out.
“Reform’s record in local government” in relation to councils with responsibility for Adult Social Care and Children’s Services is to promise lower Council Tax and deliver much higher Council Tax – that is not their fault, it is the nature of local government, but they should not have made promises they can not keep – whether on Council Tax, pot holes, or anything else.
Nigel Farage’s position on “Net Zero” is much the same as that of the Conservatives – both now believe that the cost of delivering the policy in the near future is unacceptably high, much the same position – not fundamentally different.
As for immigration – alas if only ending mass immigration would prevent present and future conflict, but it is too late for that.
Both Reform and the Conservatives are now against mass immigration – and both seem to fail to understand that the problem is now really natural increase (births) of existing populations. Mr Powell, back in the 1960s, warned that such a time would, eventually, come – and it has now arrived. And it is no longer just cities and large towns – it is also now starting to hit rural areas – including areas the English consider a central part of their culture.
Nothing like this, in terms of population replacement, has been seen since the arrival of the Germanic tribes to this island in the 5th and 6th centuries A.D. – indeed the demographic transformation that is now happening may be even more radical than that.
If present demographic trends continue (the continuing collapse of the fertility of the British, due to the “Social Revolution” – plus the much higher fertility of the hostile populations) England will cease to exist, in any meaningful sense, in a matter of a few decades – and the Scots and Welsh should not laugh – because the same thing will, eventually, happen to them.
“Paul – all of the above comment could have been written by Rupert Lowe” – yes, but that does not change the fact that his candidate can-not-win.
It is no good being right – if you lose.
Better to influence someone who has a chance of winning.
PM………….. We’re way beyond the time when voting makes any difference to what’s coming down the track.
Illegal immigration is a drop in the ocean compared to legal immigration. With births to foreign people now at 40%, we need to deport the millions of foreign people who’ve come here in the last 30 years. Otherwise, this is no longer England or Britain. Places called that can only qualify if they comprise a large majority of English or British people.
Have you seen the Youtube vids collecting the clips of all the famous and smart and pretty people who laughed at the very idea of Donald Trump even thinking he had a CHANCE at being President?!
I wonder if any of our countries have a chance of returning to our roots without doing some ridiculous, impossible things such as this. That was the thinking behind Reform, I suspect, and it was simply carried further by Return.
But Reform might actually do what they say, whereas I don’t believe for a moment that the party of government for 14 years which drove progressive Net Zero policies (CEN has long been one of the largest Tory factions) & ushered in the “Boriswave” can be trusted to truly flip on these issue, regardless of what the Tory leader says.
One problem with Reform/Farage is that he is recorded on various videos (youtube is your friend here) stating in essence that as Muslims are here, then “we” have to deal with them and cater to them as a voting block.
In other words, he is not committed or considering expelling all non English peoples.
The birthrate among white English is currently around 1.5, well below the sustainable rate of 2.2. The Muslims with four wives and producing 4 or more children per woman making 16 Muslim children born for every 1.5 white children means that mathematically, Britain WILL be a Muslim nation shortly.
I only hope that the UK has got rid of the nuclear deterrent by then …
I am at a loss to understand why Burnham is considered to be the saviour of the Labour party. He is a minor political figure and if he does get elected and mount a challenge Starmer will easily dispose of him. “Special pension” Starmer is the anointed one. He has been groomed for leadership for years. He has the entire weight of the system behind him. Good luck with that, Andy.
@Phil B
In other words, he is not committed or considering expelling all non English peoples.
Expelling them where exactly? Muhammad who was born in Manchester in 2005 and has a British passport and no other. To where are you planning to expel him? Send them back to where they came from? Jamal came from Huddersfield and Aisha came from Aberdeen, Hakim came from Cardiff.
I mean Britain is screwed even with Reform I suspect. I hope not, I hope Nigel can work miracles, but I think it is way too far gone. But insofar as there is a solution to the balkanization of Britain it is to encourage assimilation with British values. This can be done in the schools by getting rid of all the multicultural nonsense, in the government rid of all the special accommodations, quotas, preferences (and certainly by preventing massive amounts of welfare going to families having way more kids than they can support), and broadly in culture. I know lots of Muslims in the USA who are more patriotic than I am, more American in some ways than I am. Assimilation is the only solution. Impossible! You might say. But then we come back to my earlier point that you are probably to far screwed already to fix it.
FWIW, if you are a person with a lot to contribute there are many places around the world who would welcome your industry and skills and don’t care much what color your skin is. They will even find your English accent is charming, and you can use it to leverage your position and advance your networking.
I apologize for my typing mistake (I am a dreadful typist) – I meant to type that the Father of the House (the longest serving Member of Parliament – who is a Conservative) urged that a Conservative Party candidate NOT be put up in this by-election, and he was clearly
correct.
To keep putting up candidates in places where they have no chance of winning AND where the effect of fielding a candidate will be to HELP THE LEFT (the Greens or Labour or the Lib “the Jews are committing genocide – the wonderful United Nations says so” Dems) is wrong – Kemi Badenoch has to come to understand that, hopefully this by-election will be the one where the lesson is finally learned – and not just by the Conservative Party.
Fraser Orr – Islam is what it is, its basic doctrines concerning infidels are clear enough.
You do NOT know lots of Muslims who are “more patriotic”, in a Bill of Rights sense, than you are – you either know people who are NOT Muslims, not followers of Islam, even though they come from Muslim families (Muhammed called such people “hypocrites” and said they should be executed), or you know people who are deceiving you (to deceive infidels in order to lull them into a false sense of security is considered praiseworthy behaviour – as it is NOT done for personal gain, but in the service of Allah – the God of Islam). For example, Islam holds that men who mock Muhammed should be killed, and it also holds that people who leave Islam should be killed – how is this compatible with the First Amendment?
It also holds that infidels should pay a special tax – indeed this is the reason that infidels are not to be exterminated, some (some) should be allowed to live – so they can work and pay this tax to the faithful.
As for “British values” – Robert Jenrick (now a Reform Party Member of Parliament and shadow minister) was asked what these were, and he had trouble answering the question.
When my father was born, 1913, it would have been an easy question to answer – limited government, Freedom of Speech, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (the British National Rifle Association was much larger than the American one – and there was less “gun control” in London than in New York), and so on.
But now? I had some sympathy with Mr Jenrick’s difficulty in answering the question.
Even Freedom of Speech is dying (if not yet dead) – for example this comment (at least the part concerning Islam – a factual statement of what the doctrines of this world-view are, I have NOT expressed any hostility to Islam in this comment) could, perhaps, send me to prison.
Gladstone and Winston Churchill used much harsher language – the establishment that pretends to admire Winston Churchill would, if he was still alive now, send him to prison.
Send him to prison for his opinion of Islam, and send him to prison for his opinions on other matters.
DJM
I hope you are wrong – but I suspect you are correct.
The economic facts are brutal – the economic foundation of the United Kingdom is not large enough to maintain the vastly expanded population, we import not “just” food and raw materials, we now import a lot of manufactured goods as well – and (to those who do not know) the Credit Bubbles of “The City” are NOT an economy.
But, as you know, it is more than the economy – it is cultural, societal, decline, that is turning into collapse.
It is not just the ethnic and (yes) racial divisions in Western nations – not just Britain, many Western nations (most certainly including the United States), it is also the cultural, societal, decline of Western peoples.
The collapse of the basic family (husband, wife and children), and of voluntary cultural institutions – both religious and secular.
At this stage a person is tempted to hope that they die in their sleep – I know I often wish I was dead and many other people wish they were dead = why wait around to see more decay and decline.
The future is likely to be terrible.
But let us hope there is some miracle that saves the West.
It may, perhaps, require a miracle – in the literal sense of that word.
Fraser,
It is my understanding that practically all Pakistanis in Britain are Pakistani citizens. Why wouldn’t they be? Pakistani parents can register children at the consulate just as you or I could do if we had children while abroad. Why give up the right to a useful second passport if it’s yours for the asking?
In any event, expelling or deporting doesn’t require a destination. You simply tell people that it is no longer legal for them to remain in the country and they must leave or be arrested. That’s exactly what would happen to me here in Thailand if I didn’t maintain a current visa. Arrested and put where, you ask? Google Thai Immigration Detention Center.
It is particularly galling for us expats to have to comply with perfectly reasonable rules in order live abroad while apparently any foreigner can turn up in my country and be give the red carpet treatment.
Good, because that would be impossible. And Reform wouldn’t win a seat with that as a policy. I don’t think it is a Restore policy either.
Fraser
Many people have grandparents rights where they can apply for nationality if their grandparents or parents came from another country. If that exists with Pakistan, I think we should encourage many to do so. Then revoke their British citizenship and deport.
Stuart Noyes wrote:
How do you propose going about doing that?
Roué le jour wrote:
So your answer to the question I just posed to Stuart is to round up the migrant population up into detention centres, and presumably deport them (or allow them to self deport?) at leisure. How exactly are you going to determine which people are NOT to be deported? How much English/British ancestry will they need? This sounds like it could get quite ugly.
Integration is realistic, assimilation is not really… & not even necessary.
For example, Chinese minorities don’t generally assimilate but they do indeed integrate: no one reasonable has a problem with a local “China Town”. Likewise, Chinese minorities in the west don’t vote along sectarian lines. We all know which minorities are the problem.
The most important thing is remove the perverse incentives provided via the welfare system, which will cause are meaningful number of non-contributing minorities to self-deport when they no longer get supported by the taxpayer.
What will happen to the British, first the English – then (later) the Scots and Welsh?
We may, perhaps, already know – as the establishment efforts to cover up the Rape Gangs have failed, industrial scale rape and plundering may, perhaps, continue and get worse as demographic change continues.
And, it should be pointed out, this does not always need a religious justification – although a religious justification is certainly useful (and Islamic law provides such a religious justification). In “Left Behind in Rosedale” a sociological study of the neighbourhoods in eastern Fort Worth in the United States, the justification for robbing the homes of white people too old and poor (or just too stubborn) to leave, was NOT religious, and neither was any religious justification used for raping the white people, or murdering them.
When a justification was offered at all it was the television series “Roots” (based on a novel – which, in turn, was plagiarised from another novel – “The African”) – Fort Worth did not exist during slavery times, but that did not matter. And much the same thing happened in American cities that were NOT in the South – it is just considered “racist” to mention the robberies, home burning (or home invasion and home smashing), rapes and murders, with “white flight” being blamed on the people doing the fleeing – “victim blaming”.
In reality it was nothing to do with “slavery” or even “racism” (other, than in this case, BLACK racism against white people – which is not unusual in American cities, far more white people are killed by black people than the other way round – and that has been true for many years, the media and education system pretend the opposite is the case due to their “liberal” ideology which is not really liberal at all) – Gildas, a Welsh writer of the 6th century AD, would have understood the real reason – which is just “you are not us”.
“You are not us” does not have to have any connection with skin colour – the incoming Germanic tribes had the same skin colour as the Romano-Britons, but they still regarded them as “you are not us” (the word “Welsh” is Anglo-Saxon for foreigner – even though it was the Anglo-Saxons who were the invaders) – and, therefore, to be robbed, raped and murdered.
The Vikings, a few centuries later, felt the same way towards the Germanic Anglo-Saxons.
Again nothing to do with skin colour – just “you are not us” so, therefore, we are going to rob, rape and murder you.
How does one overcome this?
An interesting example is Florida – (not a small example – many millions of people live there) where the cultural and language divide between Anglos and Hispanics (although not the divide with blacks) has, to some extent, been overcome by a shared POLITICAL philosophy – anti socialism, pro liberty, anti leftist politics.
As Margaret Thatcher often said – the United States is not an ethnic group, it is an “idea” – the idea of liberty, of private property based society – and people who do not share that idea (that belief system) are aliens – regardless of their race (the Democratic Party now represents these unAmerican “Americans”).
And the United Kingdom?
Clearly England is no longer an ethnic group – it is not a few non ethnic English people (for example ME – I am NOT ethnically English), it is many millions of people in England who are not ethnically English.
But what “idea” does England represent?
Scotland (as the recent election there reminds us – yet again) represents the idea of leftism – a false idea, but still a principle.
But what does England stand for?
Anglos (white English speakers) are now a small minority in Los Angeles (indeed they are small minority in many of the large American cities – Anglos may well be heading for the fate of the Dodo bird), but Mr Spencer Pratt (who is trying to be elected Mayor of the City) believes that race does-not-matter – not when the failure of leftism is so obvious.
The pro Castro Mayor Bass and the “Democrat” (read Marxist) city council, have so obviously failed that Mr Pratt believes that people, regardless of their race, will vote them out – and vote for him instead.
I hope he is correct – i.e. that reason can influence voting, rather than people voting along ethnic lines.
There was little sign of that in England in the local elections – where in Birmingham (perhaps the worst run place in England) most voters continued to vote for the left (in one form or another) for ethnic and religious reasons reasons.
That astonished me – I had thought myself cynical, even bitter, but I assumed that the Conservatives and Reform together would get a majority on Birmingham City Council – after all Birmingham is falling apart. But race, and religion, seemed to be more important than reason.
Let us hope there is a different outcome in Los Angeles.
James
All those who’ve come here over the last 30 years either have visas, idl or been granted citizenship. Unless they are vital and cannot be replaced, they have their visas or idl revoked. Id suggest doing this over the course of 5 years or more. We’d have to only allow Britons returning home only for immigration.
Any recent immigrants granted citizenship need that revoked. They then need to be deported considering they all have citizenship of their home country.
I appreciate my response is most likely simplistic. Im a lowly IT technician. Yet I will not accept the implication that actions are impossible. We’ve had a policy foisted upon us that is deliberately damaging to our society and nation state. We have every right to reverse that. Our rights Trump those who’ve come here from abroad.
James Hammerton,
You are putting words in my mouth, I am suggesting nothing of the kind. I was responding to Fraser’s question of “deported to where?” By pointing that many immigrants retain their home nation citizenship and in any case “deport” means told to leave, not transported elsewhere.
Roué wrote:
I didn’t intend to misrepresent you. In your response to Fraser, you explicitly described an approach of telling migrants to leave on pain of arrest and detention, hence my comment about rounding migrants up, as that’s what you’d have to do with any migrants that didn’t leave in response to the ultimatum. If you envisage they’d all leave before arrest came into the picture, then that seems an unsafe assumption to me. Is my error here down to inferring that because you described that approach in answering Fraser’s question, you were actually proposing it? Is there something else I got wrong?
@James Hammerton
This sounds like it could get quite ugly.
We don’t need to guess. Here in the United States the government is trying to deport ILLEGAL immigrants, and mostly ILLEGAL immigrants with SERIOUS CRIMINAL RECORDS.
And what is the response? Riots in the street. ICE agents and their families threatened and doxed. Police refusing to help fellow law enforcement officers who are being attacked by mobs, or their hotels attacked. Opposition party refusing the fund large swathes of the federal police agencies just to get at these ICE guys. A situation so serious two people have died at the hands of law enforcement officers.
This is trying to deport ILLEGAL CRIMINAL aliens in the United States which is a considerably more conservative country that Britain.
Try this “deport all the brown skinned people even if they were born in Ashby-de-la-Zouch” and it would be a blood bath, both an actual one and an electoral one.
It is not possible. The only hope is assimilation, or as PdH rightly corrects me above, at least integration. That might be impossible, but I’m pretty sure Britain is far, far past the point of no return anyway.
Oh, and can I also say not only impractical, but deeply wrong. Muhammad born in Blackpool has just as much right to be in Britain and practice whatever religion he wants as I do, or you other British people do.
James,
When I described what would happen to me as an immigrant in Thailand it was only intended as a reminder of how normal counties deal with unwanted foreigners not a blueprint for dealing with Britain’s problems. The situation is completely different. Foreigners in Thailand are a small minority and the vast majority are on renewable visas. There is nothing like Britain’s indefinite leave to remain, even for those of us that have been here decades, have Thai spouses and have paid for houses which of course we can’t officially own.
Britain’s immigrants population is about a quarter of the total depending on how much you think the government is lying about the figures. It would require a phased approach taking years to complete and is probably not possible. However, if a patriotic government was determined to try, it would go something like this.
Stop all new immigration completely. Remove those here illegally. Remove those commiting crimes, especially those of violence and financial fraud against the state. Once you are down to legal law abiding immigrants you can start to look at foreigners right to welfare, and their right to involvement in the political system. Martial law, suspension of elections and a charismatic leader would probably be required.
I hope I have been clear this time.