We are developing the social individualist meta-context for the future. From the very serious to the extremely frivolous... lets see what is on the mind of the Samizdata people.

Samizdata, derived from Samizdat /n. - a system of clandestine publication of banned literature in the USSR [Russ.,= self-publishing house]

Samizdata quote of the day

We happily say ‘Christian fundamentalist’ about people who are Christian and fundamentalist. We use ‘Buddhist extremists’ to describe violent Buddhist groups in Myanmar. And yet Islam is ringfenced from tough discussion; phrases which at some level include the word ‘Islam’ are tightly policed; criticism of Islam is deemed a mental illness: Islamophobia.

This is incredibly dangerous. This censorious flattery of Islam is, in my view, a key contributor to the violence we have seen in recent years. Because when you constantly tell people that any mockery of their religion is tantamount to a crime, is vile and racist and unacceptable, you actively invite them, encourage them in fact, to become intolerant. You license their intolerance. You inflame their violent contempt for anyone who questions their dogmas. You provide a moral justification for their desire to punish those who insult their religion.

Brendan O’Neill

Tweet about this on TwitterShare on FacebookShare on TumblrShare on RedditShare on Google+Share on VKEmail this to someone

29 comments to Samizdata quote of the day

  • Ferox

    Passivity is the most provocative response to the threat of violence. Nothing else will bring about violent conflict with such certainty.

    But lefty snowflakes who have never been in a fight in their lives simply cannot comprehend that simple, universal truth.

  • itellyounothing

    It’s not just the left. Both sides claim that they can create/manage state agencies that will keep everyone safe from every kind of harm with just a little more money.

    If there was one lesson that must be taught over and over it’s there is no god, particularly not government.

    The first and last person who should keep you safe is you. Nobody else is as well motivated to achieve that goal as you are.

    That means how you vote, how you hold the government you voted for to account and how you test the efficacy of execution of the responsibilities the agencies of your government claim money for.

    Weakness in these duties paints a big target on you and yours.

  • Chip

    Well, at least Mayor Khan has finally ditched the platitudes and demanded action with a call to ban travel for – the US president.

    And the country is just a whisker away from electing Corbyn as PM and Abbot as Home Secretary.

    The AI’s can’t take over soon enough.

  • Mr Eck

    Chip–The polls have long since been weaponised by and for the left.

    With Brexit and Trump the tactic was to try and convince supporters of both that they had already lost and thus might as well stay at home and not bother voting.

    This time the tack has changed and they are trying to get as much leftist crew out as possible by giving them “hope” they can win.

  • Mr Eck

    1-Why has comment moderation been turned on please? (editor: it is a bot and is always on. It just means for some reason you have annoyed Akismet)

    2–It has been suggested that migrating to the USA is a good idea for Brits in search of more freedom and less RoP.

    Here is why that is a non-starter:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/john-w-whitehead/justice-3/

  • fcal

    Christian fundamentalists and Buddhist fundamentalists don’t harm society since they find an appropiate habitat in cloysters and similar institutions. Islam doesn’t offer that possibility.

  • The Manchester bomber Abedi had threatened to report his teacher for ‘hate speech’ when at school. I can well understand why the teacher was rationally concerned. I’ve heard no suggestion that anyone ever considered prosecuting Abedi for ‘hate speech’. He was apparently reported as potentially dangerous, but ‘hate speech’ laws are for ‘un-diverse’ Britons, as the very first case after Labour brought in these laws 15 years ago made clear.

    AN ENGINEER was convicted yesterday of religiously abusive behaviour after insulting a Muslim neighbour who hailed September 11 as a “great day”, praised Osama bin Laden as a “great man”, and thought all Americans “deserved to die”. Alistair Scott, 33, is believed to be the first person to be found guilty of the new offence designed to outlaw religious hatred. … The prosecution at Exeter magistrates’ court claimed that Scott told Mohammed Hudiah he hated Muslims because of the September 11 attacks, and threatened his family, However, Mr Hudaib, a Postgraduate student at Exeter University , acknowledged under cross-examination that he “could have said Osama bin Laden was a great man and that all Americans deserved to die and are stupid.”

    (‘and are stupid’ – good heavens, US liberals won’t like being called stupid. 🙂 ) The above is is from the Telegraph’s report of 4th October 2002. A comment by Natalie on her blog on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 notes that versions of the story in the Times and elsewhere omitted or underplayed the remarks of Mr Hudaib.

  • If the truth of Islam was understood by the population, every Mosque would be ashes and the motorways would be lined with the impaled corpses of the practitioners.

    Therefore each government employs its state version of Taqiyya, denying the truth of Islam to its own people.

  • PeterT

    But lefty snowflakes who have never been in a fight in their lives

    Well, I have a feeling that this will be remedied at some point in the next 5-10 years say.

  • CaptDMO

    When the instruction manual tells you to lie, enslave, and kill those different from you, you’re kinda’
    INVITING the no returns policy.

  • Johnathan Pearce

    Fear drives much of this. Imagine if, say, the late Irish comedian Dave Allen, who constantly took potshots at the Catholic Church, were alive today. Would he do a number on Islam? He might, but I am unsure. Would Monty Python do “life of Mohammed?” today? Can we expect lots of skits about that religion on Saturday Night Live? Mock The Week? Have I Got News For You?

    It just isn’t likely, is it?

  • CaptDMO

    “If there was one lesson that must be taught over and over it’s there is no god,…”
    Sure there is, it’s just not in “the higher power’s job description” to wipe our asses, or provide us with sliced ham and cheese, on whole wheat, with French mustard, mayonnaise, and horseradish, chips(crisps), and maybe a couple of sweet gherkins.
    It IS god’s job to EVENTUALLY turn the water (and hops, and grain, and yeast)into Beer to go with it.
    Of course, some fair share of sweat equity is required.

  • bobby b

    Alisa, I’d guess that it is accurate concerning how a Muslim group was allowed to go first while others were held back, but I suspect it has more to do with keeping them separated from people who are not very happy with them at the moment, plus wanting a very public showing that Muslims were just as dismayed by the killings as were non-Muslims.

    But he needs some new PR people to point out to him how such things can backfire.

  • tomsmith

    If the truth of Islam was understood by the population, every Mosque would be ashes and the motorways would be lined with the impaled corpses of the practitioners.

    Therefore each government employs its state version of Taqiyya, denying the truth of Islam to its own people.

    But if the current state of affairs is allowed to continue then Islam will gain demographic ascendancy in Europe, and then eventually every Western cultural institution will be in ashes, and the roads will be lined with the crucified and beheaded corpses of unbelievers. We know this will happen because they tell us it will happen, it did happen in history everywhere that Islam went, and it is still happening across the Middle East today.

    I can’t understand why successive governments think this fate is preferable to just dealing with Islam while possible to do so, unpleasant as it might be to tell the truth and do a few things that might look a bit illiberal, nasty or racist. The alternative is worse.

  • Alisa

    Yes Bobby, my guesses are similar to yours, but guesses are not facts – I’m curious if any of the Londoners here have more of the latter.

  • @CaptDMO
    It IS god’s job to EVENTUALLY turn the water (and hops, and grain, and yeast)into Beer to go with it.

    Don’t forget that if you don’t sin, Jesus died for nothing. 😀

  • EdMJ

    There’s a great comment on a related Spiked-Online article:

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/stand-up-to-atrocity-london-attack/19915#comment-3342512146

    Liberal elite: “Why is this happening? I don’t understand!”

    Islamic fundamentalist: “For Allah, because he wills it in the Koran.”

    LE: “I don’t understand”

    IF: “We despise your Western permissive liberal civilisation, your attitude towards freedom and everything about your culture. We consider you filthy and your influence on the world to be wicked. We want to destroy you.”

    LE: “I still don’t understand”

    IF: “You are polytheists and atheists who refuse to submit to Islam. You are degenerates. We are going to destroy your society”

    LE: “I still don’t understand, why are you doing this?”

    … Edited for brevity (but worth reading the whole thing) …

    IF: “…You’ll bury your heads in the sand like you always do. You’re now basically indifferent to the survival of your society. Your birth rates have been telling us that for years anyway. We despise you all the more for your inaction, your sterility and your timidity. We’re going to carry on bombing you, and you’re going to carry on singing Robbie Williams songs. Until you’re all dead, or converts to Islam.”

  • tomsmith (June 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm): “I can’t understand why successive governments think this fate is preferable to just dealing with Islam while possible to do so.”

    Although it’s not at all exactly the same think, meditating on why the Britain and France did not declare war on Hitler until it was really hard to defeat him, when it would have been easier a year earlier and trivial just a few years earlier still, may help you.

    John Galt (June 6, 2017 at 3:14 pm) “… if you don’t sin, Jesus died for nothing. 🙂 ”

    And if you never fall ill, doctors got trained for nothing. Not really a problem that need concern doctors, the messiah or anyone – not if you do, and not if, most improbably, you don’t. 🙂

  • ragingnick

    asking why contemporary ‘satire’ does not target Islam is to miss the point.

    for mainstream ‘satire’ has for decades been merely another weapon of the cultural Marxists, meant to
    denigrate and mock those who believe in western values and to fatally undermine the Wests self belief, precisely to weaken it to the point where it will be defenceless against external threats such as Islam.

  • for mainstream ‘satire’ has for decades been merely another weapon of the cultural Marxists, meant to
    denigrate and mock those who believe in western values and to fatally undermine the Wests self belief, precisely to weaken it to the point where it will be defenceless against external threats such as Islam.

    Reply

    I still don’t understand what’s in it for the leftists. Do they not understand that jihadis hate them as much if not more than the rest of us?

  • ragingnick

    Do they not understand that jihadis hate them as much if not more than the rest of us?

    Since the terrorists primarily target left wing cities like Paris and London it is mainly leftists being killed, so they should understand. but at the moment their warped anti Western ideological devotion to multiculturalism takes precedence over their own safety; this is the sickness (madness) caused by decades of frankfurt school indoctrination.

  • Mr Ed

    Wh00ps

    I still don’t understand what’s in it for the leftists.

    Perhaps you are using reason in considering their motives? What was in it for CND apart from a hope that the West would fall?

    The Soviet GRU defector Viktor Suvorov wrote about what he would have done with the peaceniks like CND had the Soviets gone West, as those who welcome the Soviets were always the first to be rounded up as inherently untrustworthy (and disgusting to them). He wanted to open a camp for them on the edge of a beautiful Austrian (what neutrality?) lake, where there was plenty of water. But he said that he would forget to feed the inmates. Then, he said, they might realise the folly of socialism where they were all equal, in the beautiful surroundings of the lakeside, but the only food that they had would be each other. And as hunger took hold, they would then be afraid to go to sleep, in case they were killed for meat as they slept. Suvorov thought this the perfect end for Western leftists with their hatred of all that was good in the world.

    Suvorov is Ukranian, and his parents lived through the Terror Famine, and evidently passed on their stories.

  • Paul Marks

    The essays on the “fundamentals” of the Christian faith (from which we get the word “fundamentalist”) were written in the early 20th century in response to the “Social Gospel” (the disguised socialist take over effort of Christianity), contrary to what is often implied – being a “fundamentalist” had nothing to do with opposing the theory of evolution (indeed several of the essays were written by SUPPORTERS of biological evolution) and still less to do with violence.

    So the word “fundamentalist” does not get us very far – unless we specify what the fundamentals (the basic principles) are.

    The fundamentals of Christianity are specified in the early 20th century essays, pointing out the basic principles of the New Testament – and they are not evil.

    The fundamentals of Islam were laid down by the teachings and deeds (actions – life) of Mohammed.

    Do you believe that people should be killed if they leave Islam? Do you believe that people should be killed for mocking Mohammed?

    Mohammed did – and if you called yourself a Muslim and did NOT go along with his atrocities he (Mohammed) called you a “hypocrite” and ordered your death as well.

    This stuff is not rocket science – but the modern West (unlike Gladstone or Winston Churchill) seems caught in a web of Frankfurt School Political Correctness than makes modern people unable to speak the truth.

    Instead we get words such as “extremism”, or “radicalisation” or “perversion of Islam” or “communities coming together” and on and on.

    This language is worse than useless – it is like a poisoned fog, it strangles the mind.

  • pst314

    I still don’t understand what’s in it for the leftists.
    They seek to destroy us and will ally with anyone else who has that goal.

  • bobby b

    “I still don’t understand what’s in it for the leftists.”

    1. The right strongly dislikes Islamists.

    2. There can be no agreement with the right on any subject. If the right claims the sun’ll come up tomorrow, they’re lying.

    3. Therefore the left marches in solidarity with the Islamists in their struggle against the evil right.

    They don’t do it for gain. They do it like a magnet aligns itself with the earth’s magnetic field.

  • pst314 (June 7, 2017 at 1:16 am), Thomas Sowell’s book, “The Vision of the Anointed” is a good read and explains “what is in it for the leftists” as wall as any source I can recall. It explains it all the better because it was written well before 9/11: how the behaviour he describes would transmute seamlessly into ‘anti-islamophobia’ arises naturally from the text.

    I also recommend his book “A Conflict of Visions”. It is complementary to “The Vision of the Anointed”, not a repeat of it. It explains the philosophical path that can lead someone to being the leftist of “The Vision of the Anointed”. (If you can only buy one book, I’d rate “A Conflict of Visions” as the most insightful of the two.)

    If you can buy no book, or have no time to read at that length, visit Thomas Sowell’s website, which has a talk he has given on the same subject.

  • Johnnydub

    “I still don’t understand what’s in it for the leftists.”

    I think its more simple Bobby B – the leftists want to destroy the West, Radical Islam is simply a tool. e.g. Corbyn and HAMAS, thee IRA etc

    The left agrees with ISIS, the West is decadent and thus needs to be destroyed.