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I think the New Greens may have peaked too early

“Green party votes to adopt policy that equates Zionism with racism”, reports the Guardian.

Members voted at the party’s annual conference in Brighton to back a motion that calls for Zionism, the movement for a Jewish state, to be “treated as any other form of racism”. It passed by 1,022 votes to 813.

It has been publicly opposed by four of the party’s five MPs, although Zack Polanski, the leader of the Greens in England and Wales, has said he does believe Zionism is a racist idea.

The motion, which is now formal policy, calls for a single Palestinian state in place of Israel, “with equal rights for all”.

Adrian Ramsay, one of the MPs and a former party co-leader, said after the vote that he was “deeply saddened” by the decision, and that the idea of endorsing a single Palestinian state did not match Green commitments to self-determination.

In earlier voting, an amendment ensuring other parts of Green policy were updated to take account of the motion was backed. Three other amendments, including one that said the motion should not be used to “pressure, proscribe or discipline members based on affiliation with Jewish community institutions”, were voted down.

The text of the motion includes this passage:

4. The Green Party affirms the Palestinian people’s inalienable right to self
determination, including the right of the Palestinian people to resistance and
liberation from Israeli occupation, domination and subjugation, and acknowledges
that the struggle to achieve that liberation by all available means under
international law is legitimate.

The Guardian article also says,

While the proposers of the motion argue it will not be used to discipline Jewish members who support Zionism, it is understood that some members are consulting lawyers over whether the policy could be challenged.

Adam Wagner KC, the barrister who led a case which concluded that Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour broke equalities laws over antisemitism, said that such a case would have a good chance of success.

“I think there is a strong risk that the motion as passed contravenes the Equality Act 2010, which applies to political parties, as it will discriminate against and harass people who hold Zionist beliefs and Jewish people more generally,” he said.

“Zionism, defined in the broad sense of supporting the establishment, development and protection of a Jewish nation state in its ancestral homeland, the land of Israel, is likely to be a protected belief under the Equality Act 2010.”

There should be no “protected beliefs”. Though I would strongly advise Jewish Greens, and decent people of any religion or no religion to get out, I support the right of any political party to be whatever it chooses to be. What the Green Party of England and Wales has now chosen to be is a Muslim sectarian party.

The triumph of the various “Gaza Independents” in the 2024 election demonstrates that in the modern UK, a Muslim sectarian party whose main interests lie outside the UK can win seats in Parliament. Nonetheless the victory of this motion at the Green Party conference has made a hitherto quite successful strategy of entryism into a previously existing British party too obvious.

EDIT: In this short video clip, Lubna Speitan, the proposer of the “Zionism is Racism” motion, says

“We will continue until we dismantle Zionism from the world – from every country, from every place. They will be shunned. And, inshallah, that time will come when they are opposed, when they are hunted in the same way as the Nazi oppressors were. This is justice. We will obtain freedom. It won’t happen without force.”

23 comments to I think the New Greens may have peaked too early

  • Subotai Bahadur

    I beg to differ. From what I see of Britain, I expect both Labour and the Tories to adopt it in Parliament, and to be backed by the royal family. ‘Tis a pity that Brits never learned the song “Jefferson and Liberty”

    Subotai Bahadur

  • Paul Marks

    As I do not “look Jewish” I get to hear lots of things about “the Jews” from various people here in Britain – none of it complementary.

    So I fear the Green Party policy of hating Jews will be quite popular in Britain – and not just with the followers of Islam.

    The “Jewish vote” is of no importance at all here (as there are so few Jews) – and some Jews will vote against their own surival, as was seen in New York City where some (some) Jews, to show how “Progressive” they are, even voted for Mr Mamdani – who wants to wipe Jews off the face of the Earth.

    And, personal confession, I fell for a Green Party trap myself – here in Kettering.

    Some years ago there was a “non-party” (but really Green Party dominated) event in the market place (which has been messed up and is no longer suitable for markets – but that is another story) condeming Mr Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

    I went to the event, and held up a piece of blue paper, we all had to hold up either yellow or blue bits of paper in order to form a Ukrainian flag.

    A couple of years later the same people organized another event in the same market place – supporting “Gaza” – i.e. celebrating the October 7th attack (and all the other attacks).

    The Greens come over a “very nice” and seem quite plausible – till they stab you in the back.

    But we must be just – 813 Greens voted AGAINST this motion, which is 813 more than I expected.

    I had assumed that they all would support the motion – that the death-to-the-Jews motion would be carried unamimously.

    I was WRONG.

  • Paul Marks

    As for hating Jews being unlawful under the 2010 Equality Act.

    It should be lawful to hate any group of people – including Jews.

    The “Equality Act”, and all this sort of legislation, is an abomination.

  • Snorri Godhi

    It should be lawful to hate any group of people — but, failing that, it would be less bad if it is unlawful to hate any group of people, rather than being unlawful to hate only some priviledged group of people.

    But we all know that there is never going to be a situation in which “hate speech” laws are applied impartially.

  • jgh

    Clearly, to be consistant, and THE ONLY WAY OF NOT BREAKING EQUALITY LAW the Greems will adopt a policy of opposing the establishment of an Irish nation in the Irish homeland, a Polish nation in the Polish homeland, a Ukrainian nation in the Ukrainian homeland, an Estonian state in the Estonian homeland, an Arabian nation in the Arabian homeland….

  • bobby b

    Just in time for Broken Glass Night in November! Get your T-shirts and hats early!

  • Phil B

    Including the right of the people to resistance and liberation from occupation, domination and subjugation, and acknowledges that the struggle to achieve that liberation by all available means under
    international law is legitimate.

    Does that apply to the English in England too? Asking for a friend …

  • Paul Marks

    Phil B – NO the English, according to not just the Greens – according to the establishment generally (and the Greens are very much part of the establishment) – the English have no right to “resist”, indeed no right to exist.

    Indeed even mentioning the existence of the English, as an ethnic group, gets (for example) Suella Braverman viciously attacked (not just by the Greens – but by all establishment groups, see the BBC “Question Time” programme – which was turned into a Maoist style “struggle session” against Suella Braverman) – the lady being a “woman of colour” did not save her.

    Remember to the left (to the establishment – the left are the establishment and have been since at least the 1960s) someone is not “really” a woman if they are not a leftist, and someone is “really” not non-white if they are not a leftist.

  • Deveril

    The motion, which is now formal policy, calls for a single Palestinian state in place of Israel, “with equal rights for all”.

    AFAIK, that is precisely what Israel already is. Which is why there are Arab members of the Israeli parliament.

  • george m weinberg

    Now do “Islamic Republics”.
    If you’re going to be criticizing middle eastern states for being discriminatory, Israel should be a lot closer to last on the list than first.

  • FrankS

    Polanski is a buffoon, and an easy target for jokes. So was Idi Amin. Let us hope that P will never have the evil impact of A.

  • Johnathan Pearce

    Deveril: yes. About 18% of the Knesset members aren’t Jewish.

    There’s a joke that Israel is the biggest Muslim democracy in the Middle East.

    Needless to say, the ironies are lost on the Greens, who have gone full Muslim Brotherhood, plus climate catastrophism.

  • Sigivald

    “calls for a single Palestinian state in place of Israel, “with equal rights for all”.”

    That’d be a reasonable thing to want … if it was possible.

    (I’d prefer Israel continue to exist, and it already has within spitting distance of equal rights for all, for real, but a “Palestinian state” that also had that property would be fine.

    That is not an option in reality.)

    That they imagine Hamas either wants that or could achieve it if permitted to try, tells us more about their sheer ignorance than about the Middle East, Hamas, or Israel.

    At best, that is – some of them might simply want the genocide that Hamas would unleash, and think the utter disaster for human rights [of freedom of faith, of women’s rights, of sexuality, of a dozen others] a “Palestine” under that circumstance would entail is fine, either because they [judging by their fruits] want a Judenrein Palestine that much, or because they’re so bigoted against Muslims and Arabs that they think “those people” can’t/shouldn’t/won’t do any better.

    There’s no way to get from that platform to something that doesn’t make the New Greens look either evil or ludicrously stupid, or both, alas.

  • Paul Marks

    Johnathan Pearce – yes it is ironic that the Greens wish to exterminate Israel in the name of the rights of Muslims – when in Israel Muslims have more rights than the do in most other nations in the area.

    It is also ironic that the Greens, and the left generally, use “Nazi” and “Nazis” as words for “bad people” – when they share the policies of the National Socialists (of the “Nazis”) – they want to destroy Jews yes – but it is not “just” that – the Greens, and the left generally, are also committed to the core National Socialist policies of Economic Collectivism and Environmentalism.

    If they really wanted to “kill Nazis” they would kill themselves.

  • Subotai Bahadur

    I think it is too late for y’all. Your equivalent to the Coast Guard is now ferrying invaders from Normandy to Gosport and locking down/evicting the citizens of Gosport to do it.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-police-clear-streets-entire-town-so-migrant-boat-can-offload

    Y’all may want to start looking for places to bail out to.

    Subotai Bahadur

  • bobby b

    “Y’all may want to start looking for places to bail out to.”

    To which part of a sinking ship should we all run? It all sinks.

    Better yet, I think, would be for people to recognize existential crises, and react appropriately. I can’t see this – meaning, intentionally bringing everyone in the 3rd world into the West – ending nicely.

  • Jim

    No the Greens haven’t peaked too early, they are just going through the process that was obviously going to happen once Polanski got hold of it – namely the transition to an Islamic sectarian party. He enabled the pro-Islamist faction, thinking he could ride the tiger to power (of some sort). As he is finding out, the tiger is going to dispense with his services as rider and disappear in a different direction entirely. All the white middle class Lefties who were worried about climate change, drove an EV and used Dale Vince’s Ecotricty are going to be purged (or most likely purge themselves, despite being great theoretical supporters of the diversity, they tend not to like it too up close and personal). The cognitive dissonance brigade (Keffiyeh sporting yet pro-trans) will be tolerated a bit longer as useful idiots, but they too will be purged when the time is right. Eventually it will be the Green Crescent Party.

  • Paul Marks

    Subotai Bahadur – the British establishment, indeed the Western establishment generally, are committed to a policy of systematic tyranny (there have been over 60 thousand arrests in Britain alone – just for peacefully expressing opinions the establishment does not like, my own arrest is inevitable, most likely I will die in prison) – they are committed to a policy of tyranny because they know (they know) that is the only way their policy of “Diversity and Inclusion” can continue.

    bobby b – Western establishment members have functioning eyes and functioning brains, but they refuse to use them. They refuse to see the decay and destruction their policies are causing – and they will punish (viciously punish) people who try and warn about what is happening – this is because the Western establishment would rather the West was utterly destroyed, than admit that their world-view (their ideology) is wrong.

    “But eventually it will be their own children, in their own rich areas, who will be raped and murdered”.

    Even when this happens it does NOT change their position – for example the daughter of a German politician was raped and murdered by migrants, and his response was to donate money to a “charity” to help bring in MORE migrants.

    The establishment would rather be dead, and would rather their own children were murdered, than be “racist”.

    And, yes, they scream “Nazi!” at anyone who tries to warn them – even as they, the establishment, bring in more people, and allow the natural increase of existing hostile populations (whilst, at the same time, destroying the fertility of historic Western nations, the native populations, via “feminism” and other weapons – in this they do NOT follow the National Socialists), who wish to exterminate Jews.

    They, the establishment, also support the economic and environmental policies of the National Socialists they claim to hate.

    It must be remembered that that all the above does NOT just apply to the Marxist influenced part of the establishment – it applies to the NON Marxist part of the establishment as well, the Economist magazine types.

  • Paul Marks

    Who were the two leading anti-Nazis?

    Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle. The British Prime Minister and the leader of the Free French.

    Did they support mass third world immigration into Western nations, or the natural increase of such hostile populations, in Britain and France or other Western nations? No they did not – they passionately opposed such policies. Just as John Enoch Powell opposed these policies.

    Did they support “laws” crushing Freedom of Speech about such matters? No they did not.

    Did they support feminism – the destruction of traditional “gender roles” and the traditional family – married mother and father and children? No they did not – they opposed this.

    So, in modern language, Winston Churchil and Charles de Gaulle were “Fascists”, “Nazis”, “Far Right” – and so on.

    Some of the left are honest about this – and attack the statues (and so on) of Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle – but most of the establishment (the left have controlled the establishment for a very long time now) pretend to admire Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle – even though, if these men were alive today, the establishment would send them to prison as “racists”, “sexists”, “Islamophobes” and so on.

  • Natalie Solent (Essex)

    Jim writes, “As he is finding out, the tiger is going to dispense with his services as rider and disappear in a different direction entirely.”

    Ultimately, yes, but right now the New Greens’ best tactical move would be to keep Polanski and the other Old Greens on side for a while yet. Both the Respect Party (of which, let us not forget, the Guardian’s George Monbiot was a co-founder) and Corbyn’s “Your Party” fell apart when the proportion of socialists to Muslims fell below the threshold at which it was credible to claim this was anything other than an Islamist party.

  • FrankS

    Not so much a peak as a trough. Will this vile motion remain their lowest point? I fear not.

  • Paul Marks

    Natalie – correct.

    But I doubt the Muslims in tbe by-election tomorrow will vote for Mr David Paulden (“Zack Polanski”) – the Labour Party candidate is a Muslim, why not vote for a real Muslim – rather than an infidel who keeps going on about how pro Islam he is (including its death penalty for homosexual acts?).

    This is something His Majesty King Charles should also consider – however pro Islam an infidel says they are, they are still an infidel.

    As for – “Equal rights for all” that is a violation of basic Islamic law – whether in “Palestine” or Liliput, Islamic law can not changed by any earthly authority, as it comes from Allah, via his final messanger Muhammed.

    That is Islam 101 – anyone who comes out with language such as “equal rights for all” in the context of a state controlled by Muslims, is either utterly ignorant – or a liar.

    And again geography is not relevant – Britain, “Palestine”, Belgium, the United States – it is the same.

  • Paul Marks

    FrankS – yes the Greens will go lower.

    The 813 Greens who voted agaist the motion should leave (perhaps to recreate the “Ecology Party”) – before the Green Party does worse things.

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