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At this point, does anyone really think this has anything to do with a virus?

From Free the Animal

Coming soon, lockdowns due to pretty much any disease that kills anyone anywhere, oh and ‘climate change lockdowns’, that is absolutely going to happen.

35 comments to At this point, does anyone really think this has anything to do with a virus?

  • Dave Ward

    Since the picture shows “The Fools” gathered at the Eden Project, you might like this howler:

    Electric coach stranded at Eden Project

  • Spotted somewhere in the UK (I think) and now circulating on the net – https://meme.aho.st/beware-of-a-third-wave/

  • Roué le Jour

    Someone should complain to the Duke, I hear he’s quite keen on green issues. I note the article says that the charge points they found were unable to charge the bus. I believe there is more than one “standard” for charge points but I’m laughing to hard to look it up.

  • Paul Marks

    It is not good.

    Dave Ward – the fools are not the people in the photographs, they are doing well. The fools are people at home who believe everything they hear from these meetings.

    “But we can vote …” The people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania voted for Donald John Trump in November 2020 – they did so overwhelmingly. But the State, like several other States that voted for President Trump, was recorded as supporting Mr Joseph Biden.

    The courts were not interested in upholding Election Laws – not before the election or after it.

    And the FBI and “Justice” Department have acted for the establishment (punishing dissenters for fake “crimes” and ignoring the real crimes of people such as Joseph Biden) for many years.

    The message (from RINOs such as Attorney General William Barr – just as much as from Democrats) was very clear – obey POLICY or you are out.

    President Trump had mocked “the line” at such venues as a Davos meeting (he mocked the establishment of this world to their faces) – he is lucky they did not have him killed for his insulting behaviour.

    The people who met at Cornwall (who, under their larking about, are most clearly NOT fools) understand that to remain in office (with all the perks that come with that) – they must obey POLICY.

    They do not make basic POLICY – they must follow the broad outlines of it. They can tweak POLICY a bit – so it is worth being in office (as they tell themselves).

    “But, but, but….”.

    But nothing – remember we live in a world where a vast number of people have just died of Covid 19 when most of them could have been saved by Early Treatment which has been known since early 2020.

    Think about that. See how the international establishment has got away with that.

  • Dave Ward

    I believe there is more than one “standard” for charge points

    Indeed, and most of the lower power ones, that you’ll find in carparks & supermarkets are AC, not DC. You also have several different types of connectors, and gawd knows how many providers (with various “Apps” and payment methods) to contend with. Compare to conventional fuels, with just petrol or diesel (and sometimes “Super” versions of each). Payment is not a problem, either…

  • Dave Ward

    @ Paul Marks – If the Arizona ballot audit finds large discrepancies, it will lead to several other states undertaking their own (many have visited the AZ counting centre, to observe, recently). Naturally, the Left will fight tooth & nail to hold onto their “victory”, but this may just be the start of something big.

    A vast number of people have just died of Covid 19

    A vast number may have been RECORDED as dying, but invariably “With” NOT “From”, so I don’t believe a word of these frequent claims. Also remember the apparent near-collapse in the number of “Flu” deaths over the same period. However, your comment regarding early treatment is absolutely correct.

  • XC

    Not in Florida.


  • Schrodinger's Dog

    But isn’t this what the majority has always wanted? For the government to make all their decisions for them?

    I found it very significant that, in the run up to the last British general election, in December 2019, only about 5% of people favoured lower taxes and fewer government services. The other 95% were roughly evenly split between maintaining the status quo, and those who wanted more services, funded by higher taxes.

  • Stonyground

    Regarding charging points. When you are starting something pretty much from scratch, how difficult is it to come up with a one size fits all universal system? Even if different vehicles needed different voltages or amounts of current, it would be easy to design plugs and sockets that can communicate the needed information when you plug them in.

  • John


    I don’t know how it is in the UK, but here in the midwest US there are only 4 plug types — or only 4 I’ve ever seen.

    The problem with standardization is very like early computer peripheral plugs. Without some central government bureaucracy dictating a (sub) standard you have competing entities. In this case the biggest divide is caused by Tesla having a proprietary standard. By far the most common port type is J1772 which works for (almost?) everybody but can be slow. There are then three competing fast charging types, two of which are present on almost every charge station. So, as a practical matter one is faced with a “pump” with three options two of which will work on pretty much any electric vehicle. Yes, you have to know which you need (gas or diesel?) But you can’t mess it up since the plugs won’t fit.

    For those who drive a Tesla it is a little different, but still not a problem since A. Tesla has built out their own proprietary charging network which doesn’t support other brands, and B. Teslas can also use the standard ports.

    So, really, at least where I am, the port standards are not a problem. The sheer lack of charging stations is. They are pretty cheap to install and tend to result in relatively well off customers standing around for 10-20 minutes (or sometimes longer depending) so I’d think gas stations and coffee shops would be very interested, but I’ve only seen a little of that. For whatever reason Craft Breweries seem to get it.

    Still early tech. Electric cars right now are about where computers were in the mid 80s. Whether they will go the way of personal computers or the way of VHS is a real question as is how much governments trying to force people into things they don’t want to do. I shudder to think what would have happened if the government had decided in 1983 to require and enforce a small computer standard.

  • Jimmers


    Electric cars right now are about where computers were in the mid 80s.

    But are they? Computers were really still very new in the 80s and in some ways computing was starting from scratch, whereas we’ve had electricity, batteries, cars etc around for a lot longer. Not trying to be smart, but I don’t believe they are at the same stage of development. Will we see the development of electric vehicles progress along some sort of Moore’s law as we have with computers? I think it would be fantastic if we did but I don’t reckon we will.
    From what I’ve read, we’re at quite an advanced stage of battery development so shouldn’t expect great increases in range, power etc any time soon.

  • John


    That’s a fair criticism. I was thinking in terms of the transition from DIY home built Heathkit type stuff only really used by techy types into something which, while hardly pervasive, was more or less readily available off the shelf. The early consumer available ones were bigger, clunkier, and more expensive than most people remember.

    Also, I was specifically thinking of the plug standards. Right through the 80s there were so many… Leaving the protocols out of it (and you couldn’t) just consider how many types of keyboard plugs were… or SCSI connectors — there were 4 different SCSI connectors I can think of off hand.

    I didn’t mean to imply that what happened after that was a foregone conclusion, hence my remark about VHS. Certainly I, at least, don’t expect any kind of Moore’s law type progression in battery capacity. BUT, raw processor speed was not what made those early consumer available micro computers awkward — it was usability, social acceptance, and cost. Those areas *could* see a similar path, but in my view it’s anybody’s guess and I say let the market decide and keep the mandates out of it.

  • bobby b

    “When you are starting something pretty much from scratch, how difficult is it to come up with a one size fits all universal system?”

    I recorded a very good panel discussion about this topic some time ago, but I can’t play it back anymore since my Betamax player died.

    (Competing systems are going to keep competing until one clearly wins.)

  • John

    (Competing systems are going to keep competing until one clearly wins.)

    Unless the government picks a “winner” in which case we all lose.

  • Jimmers

    I say let the market decide and keep the mandates out of it.
    Amen to that.

  • Mr Ed

    It wasn’t behind the scenes, it was in view of the World’s press, they are openly breaking their own rules, and they know that we know that they are mocking us. That is not an unknown known you know.

  • David Norman

    I have this slight hope that having comprehensively trashed the economies of the West by the hubristic and futile lockdown policies our wonderful governments will neither be able to afford green boondoggles that don’t work nor, for electoral reasons, have the ability to foist them on an unwilling public. But I’m probably being insanely optimistic.

  • Fraser Orr

    “When you are starting something pretty much from scratch, how difficult is it to come up with a one size fits all universal system?”

    Because that isn’t the way engineering works. If you knew what the final thing will look like you probably can do this, but nobody knows the future. Who knows what batteries will be like twenty years from now. So it is an evolutionary process, with intermediate bridges and adapters, and evolution and change to get closer to the point. USB is a great example of how a simple system can evolve over time from something that was designed for simple peripherals until it is the technological wonder it is today. However, there were a thousand different ways to hook up your keyboard to your PC before USB, along with a messy array of adapters. Eventually the big players got together when they saw it was in their economic interests to do so, and we have what we have today.

    The one thing you don’t want is the freaking government interfering. Can you imagine Humphrey Appleby setting up an inter-departmental committee to design USB? OMG it’d compatible with every punch card reader and mercury delay line available, support any 8 bit CPU, would cost $10,000 and require a team of engineers to install, and each time you used it it would download all the contents of your hard drive to GCHQ.

  • APL

    Paul Marks: “The people who met at Cornwall (who, under their larking about, are most clearly NOT fools) understand that to remain in office (with all the perks that come with that) – they must obey POLICY.”

    You are starting to sound like a bit of a conspiracy theorist, Paul.

    But your statement begs the question, if not those who met at Cornwall, who IS setting the Policy that must be obeyed ?

  • Paul Marks

    APL – what “conspiracy”?

    The international and national conferences are quite open – anyone can watch them on line. Even as a local person I get briefings telling me what policy is – note I do not make policy, I get told what it is. I am sure it is much the same for people in higher elected office – at least in the United Kingdom (some American State Governors seem to actually make policy – i.e. do not follow international policy guidelines, at least on some matters). However, the Biden/Harris Administration itself is very clear that it is part of the international community – and follows international policy (as a good global citizen).

    The various international bodies, such as the World Economic Forum, United Nations, IMF and all the rest are very open about their agenda – there is no “conspiracy”. The officials, both government and corporate (but also NGOs and so on), get together and come up with policies – which are then translated into national and local regulations. This is quite open – for example the European Union has always worked that way.

    In the European Union (and the European Economic Community before it) the “Commission” (officials – working with various “stakeholders”) made policy – and then national elected governments carried out that policy by turning it into law in their respective nations.

    The WEF, U.N., IMF, WHO (World Health Organisation) and all other international bodies work in the same way – officials get together with stakeholders and make policy, which is then turned into national laws by elected national governments.

    When President Trump pulled out of the World Health Organisation this was considered unacceptable by American officials (who are loyal to international bodies – not to some “here today – gone tomorrow” President) and they negated his effort to make policy, in this and other matters.

    No “conspiracy” APL – people such as Dr Fauci (an American government official – and not an unusual one, they are mostly like him) and the owners of Facebook and Youtube were quite clear that the World Health Organisation must be followed on health policy, and other international bodies must be followed on other matters. It was, to them, absurd that an American President should seek to MAKE policy – rather than carry it out.

    APL – I am not saying the international “governance” system is good or bad. It just is what it is.

    Officials discuss various matters with stakeholders (such as the major corporations and NGOs – who are invited to the various conferences and meetings, which are NOT secret, NOT “conspiracies”) and make policy.

    Policy is then made into local laws by national elected governments.

    That is just the way things are – it is not a conspiracy, it is very much out in the open.

    Technically this is called “functionalism” – there is NOT a “World Federation” we have a “functionalist” system NOT a “Federalist” one. We do NOT have “World Government” we have “World Governance” by officials, stakeholders (major corporations – but also NGOs and so on) and agreements.

    I am somewhat surprised that you do not seem to know this APL. Have you ever held even local elected office Sir?

    None of the above should be taken to mean that Policy can not be “Tweaked” from time to time – international agreements give some latitude to national (and even local) elected governments to tweak policy in various ways.

    But obviously someone like former President Trump going to Davos and, basically, saying to the meetng “I am going to do what I like – I do not care what you lot ask me to do” (he did not use those exact words – but it was close to that APL) is clearly unacceptable, a Western leader can not get away with that.

    APL – President Trump was not suggesting that he was going to “tweak” policy a bit, he was essentially saying he was going to make his own policy, and ignore the instructions of the international community (of the officials and stakeholders) – that was deeply shocking behaviour.

    The officials in the United States government itself would not accept this behaviour by President Trump – they go to the various meetings, and they are “educated” people. There is no “conspiracy” – American government officials were quite open in distancing themselves from President Trump. He was trying to disregard international policy – and just make up his own policy (on basic matters).

  • Paul Marks

    Dave Ward – as you know the Arizona audit (and the other efforts in other States) is really about the future not the past.

    There are many people in the United States (and I suspect that you are one of them Sir) who wish to break with the policies of the international community – and that depends on clearing out the American bureaucracy itself (which is made up of “educated” people who are loyal to the international community – the various stakeholders and so on).

    Getting a candidate for President who is not a RINO (like Bush 1 and Bush 2) elected in 2024 is vital if there is to be a massive purge of the American bureaucracy – including the institutionally corrupt “Justice” Department and FBI.

    I was wrong about Donald John Trump – I thought he was a useless waste of space of 2016 and said so whilst I was putting out stuff on line in support of Ted Cruz. But it turned out that President Trump really did want to break with international policy – he just did not know how to do it. Most importantly he failed to CLEAR OUT the American bureaucracy (especially the security and intelligence agencies) in January 2017 – he should have for example, fired everyone from the “Justice” Department on January 20th 2017 and had his own people ready to appoint (to work as de facto office holders till when and if confirmed by the Senate – and in many cases Senate confirmation is not needed). But he did NOT do this.

    The United States can not be independent of international policy with the present American bureaucracy – they have to go (especially the domestic Federal “law enforcement” bureaucracy – who are totally partisan).

    To do that “the system” must be discredited – including the education system (not just the government schools – the elite private ones are just as committed to the Collectivist agenda) and the “mainstream” media.

    You face an incredibly difficult task Mr Ward – I put the chances of the United States managing to break free from the international (and local) Collectivist establishment as very low (perhaps no better than 1 in 100 chance).

    But it is worth trying. After all the alternative is a glass of whiskey and an accident whilst cleaning one’s revolver.

  • Paul Marks

    APL – a fascinating example of all this (well “fascinating” if you are a NERD like me) is how an international agreement (the “legally nonbinding” Agenda 21 agreed by the Bush Administration, at the United Nations in 1991) influenced local land use regulations in the United States (and elsewhere). You can look these things up if you like – many days of reading and study for you if you decide to do that.

    No “conspiracy” – just POLICY and not just in the United States.

    The government of the United Kingdom consents to various international agreements (which ministers are unlikely to even read – officials prepare them) these are then made into national and local laws and regulations.

    I remember, as a young man, Mrs Thatcher signing up to the Single European Act back in (I think) 1986.

    The lady had no idea that it meant that the European Economic Community (European Union) would now be determining most of the economic laws in the United Kingdom – she thought it was something to do with Free Trade.

    That a “Single Market” really meant “we make your laws” (or rather “we give you instructions about what your laws must be”) was not something that the Civil Servants told Mrs Thatcher.

    I very much doubt that anyone told President George Herbert Walker Bush in 1991 that the “legally nonbinding” “Agenda 21” would eventually determine many laws (Federal, State and local) in the United States.

    Why tell him? It would just upset him – well it might upset him.

    As for politicians in 2021 – yes politicians often know these things now.

    In the past politicians most likely really did not know – but those experienced people who met in Cornwall, they know what “the score is” as it were.

    None of them is going to do a President Trump – “I do not care what the international community want, I am going to make my own policies” (or words to that effect) does not go down well – it really does not. The officials and stakeholders (international corporations – but also various NGOs) are not happy with such a position.

    “Tweaking” policy – yes you can do that. But just making your own policies – that totally contradict the position of the international community? No the present “G7” leaders are not going to do that. Taking up that attitude would be problematic in relation to them remaining leaders – their own officials would undermine them, and the international media would tear them apart.

  • JohnK


    You are quite right, President Trump should have purged the federal agencies of his enemies in his first month of office. Unfortunately, he was naïve about the hellish snake pit which is Washington DC. As a business executive, he was used to his subordinates carrying out his orders, and clearly did not realise that Washington works differently. Perhaps he will be better prepared in 2024.

    As to the international rule makers, as you say, they operate in plain sight above mere national politicians, it is just that no-one bothers to monitor their often boring work. But things get real when the likes of Boris Johnson decide the sale of petrol cars will end in 2030, and that we will “build back better”. Now, wherever did he get those ideas?

    Mr Trump was pro-Britain, but for BoJo, Mr Biden, who does not like us, is a “breath of fresh air”. Why? Maybe because he is onboard for all the globalist bullshit Mr Johnson and his latest wife believe in. Why, Mr Biden is going to “build back better” too. What a delightful coincidence!

  • staghounds

    “he should have for example, fired everyone from the “Justice” Department on January 20th 2017 and had his own people ready to appoint”

    The President can only discharge a very few of the very top officials within the executive branch without “cause”. The others are protected by very robust civil service laws.

    There are probably not two thousand federal officials he can fire just because he wants to.

  • Paul Marks

    staghounds – President Clinton demanded the resignation of every senior official in the Justice Department, all over the country.

    Mr Clinton turned the Justice Department into the “Justice” Department – including turning the FBI into the gang of political thugs they are today.

    If President Clinton was not limited by the laws you mention – why are Republican Presidents limited by them?

    But I agree with you – the creation of a “Civil Service” is a direct attack on a Constitutional state, the dream of the Mill family (and the rest of Jeremy Bentham’s gang) is nothing to do with “the rights of the people” – as their aim was the rule of an “educated” bureaucracy regardless of election results.

    Hat tip to the late Maurice Cowling for this point.

    Ministers should appoint their own staff – otherwise how can they really be “responsible” for the actions of people who they have no hire-and-fire powers over.

  • Paul Marks

    John K.

    Agreed – apart from the point about Mr Johnson. I doubt that Mr Johnson has these beliefs – but I have no idea what he really believes. I have never met the Prime Minister – and the reports I have from people who have met him, leave me more (rather than less) confused.

    As for the slogan “Build Back Better” – as you know it is one of the key slogans of the World Economic Forum.

    The World Economic Forum are fanatical enemies of everything that conservatives believe in.

    One can not follow both Edmund Burke and Klaus Schwab.

  • Paul Marks

    Under Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel in the United Kingdom, ministers and the Prime Minister controlled the executive.

    Under President Grant (whatever one thinks of him) the President and those he appointed controlled Federal Government – the executive branch of it.

    That is how the system is supposed to work.

    People, at least those with the vote (only a minority of the population in the time of Peel) voting for those who they wish to control the government.

    One can be for or against the Sir Charles Trevelyan types of this world.

    I am firmly against them.

  • Jacob

    I don’t care if they get the virus. (Well, except Her Majesty). So, what’s the problem? Hypocrisy? Theater? All politics is hypocrisy and theater.

  • Paul Marks

    Jacob – the problem is the FORCE AND FEAR.

    The various governments are not saying “this is our advice – which we are not following ourselves”, they are saying “do this or we will PUNISH you” – and not doing this themselves.

    The last year has seen a systematic war against what is left of liberty in most (although not all) Western nations.

    That is the problem Jacob.

  • Paul Marks

    To those who say “you are a right winger Paul, a supporter of people such as the Governor of Florida and the Governor of South Dakota – you would say things like this” – yes I am, but please consider the following.

    Is the Social Democrat government of Sweden “right wing”?

    Is the Post Soviet regime in Belarus “right wing”?

    Is the dictatorship of Danny Ortega (the hero of the international left since the 1970s) in Nicaragua right wing?

    No none of them are “right wing” – and there no piles of bodies in the streets in these NON lockdown countries.

    There is also the “little” point that EARLY TREATMENT could have saved the majority of the people who have died of Covid 19 in many Western countries.

    Early Treatment was systematically covered up and SMEARED – and that meant that vast numbers of people died who could have been saved.

    I am not happy with the international establishment on this.

    No one should be happy with the international establishment on this.

  • JohnK


    You are right, I was a little sloppy with my language. I should not have said that Boris Johnson “believes” in anything. No-one has been able to spot any sort of belief system there. He believes he should be Prime Minister, that is as far as it goes.

    Boris Johnson and Tony Blair could have been interchangeable. Blair could have easily led the “Conservative” party, and Johnson could have led “New Labour” without any problem. Mrs Thatcher could never have led the Labour Party, and Jeremy Corbyn could never have led the Conservatives. They both had genuine political beliefs, even if most of Mr Corbyn’s were wrong.

    As to the USA, it is a federal republic. There is no reason for the federal government to have departments of housing, health, education and the like. None of these are the responsibility of the feds. Really, apart from maintaining the US Navy and minting silver dollars, the federal government should not do much. The first act of President Trump in January 2025 should be to abolish every federal agency which is not mentioned in the US Constitution, including the Federal Reserve. They all hate him and are his enemies, so it should come easily to him. What are they going to do, impeach him yet again?

  • Tim

    “But we can vote …” The people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania voted for Donald John Trump in November 2020 – they did so overwhelmingly. But the State, like several other States that voted for President Trump, was recorded as supporting Mr Joseph Biden.

    You could say the same about the people of the state of Michigan Paul. I went to bed election night with Trump up by well over 100K votes; sometime during the dead of night a mysterious “vote drop(s)” changed the outcome. Later on, Michigan Board of Canvasses members physically threatened (and their families) on a live mike to get them to certify the vote etc. Said threatening later described dismissively by Michigan authorities as spirited political discourse or some such phraseology.

  • APL

    “does anyone really think this has anything to do with a virus?”

    Fortunately, the untimely demise of four British Airways pilots has nothing to do with the virus, but also according to Reuters, nothing to do with the anti COVID-19 vaccine. Phew!

  • APL

    And here the British government seems to admit that the risk of dying from COVID-19 or its varients is double if you’ve taken one or other of the gene ‘therapies’.

    Which is odd, as if you have been ‘vaccinated’ you wouldn’t expect to then contract the condition.

    But hey! This is the ‘New medical paradyne’.

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