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The BBC used to at least pretend to be impartial The current BBC News headline is:
LIVE US vote goes to wire as Trump falsely claims fraud
The URL above is just the standard https://www.bbc.co.uk/news. The content to which it links will change. I have tried to insert a screenshot of the current headline below. I am very tired. My apologies if I have got it wrong:
How does the BBC know Trump’s claim is false? Has it carried out an investigation?
Not that I deny that the BBC has longstanding expertise when it comes to matters of fraud:
Princess Diana’s brother accuses BBC of ‘whitewash’ over faked bank statements that led to historic Panorama interview
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Didn’t Biden publically state that his side were going to commit election fraud? If so that alone means that he is unfit for public office.
I heard BBC radio in a shoe shop I was in a couple of hours ago – the level of hatred for President Trump was insane.
Remember most people still get their information from the education system and the “mainstream media” – that means constant LIES and HATE. I do not know whether President really won the election or not – but it is a tribute to the human spirit that so many people managed to survive (remain human beings) the constant brainwashing of the education system and the mainstream media.
Were hundreds of thousands of the mail-in ballots fake? Again we will never know.
The censorship will now INCREASE – those people who thought “once the left has got rid of President Trump they will stop persecuting us” have got a very nasty shock coming.
As for the BBC – it lies about everything and always has.
I remember as far back as 1979 the BBC endlessly talking about “cuts” in government spending – whilst government spending was going UP.
Once I could stand it no more and smashed a radio. But that was an utterly pointless thing to do (why not just turn-it-off – the fit of rage was just stupid) – it does not matter to the BBC (or the rest of the mainstream media) whether I hear their lies or not – what matters to them is whether MOST people hear and see their lies.
It is the same with the education system. It does not matter if one school boy in the class knows the teacher is being misleading – what matters is that MOST of the children in the class believe the teacher (at least partly). Ditto university lecturers.
For the record I worked out that the teachers were not giving accurate information back at the Junior School stage – but so what? As long as MOST believe what they are taught.
BBC forces people to pay for it under threat of violence. It is a Marxist organization and it shows. So obviously they support the racist-Marxist culture behind Biden.
The Democrats in Pennsylvania and Michigan are mysteriously finding that all the late postal votes are for Biden. How odd, but still, the orange man is bad, and must therefore be lying.
Nothing to see here folks, please move along. Who are you going to believe, the BBC or your lying eyes?
The police used to pretend to uphold the law, I imagine in unreliable memories, and then I read about this:
This from the force that said that they wanted to check a man’s thinking, not that he’d committed an offence.
Paul Marks is also coming around to my way of looking at things.
Hmm…did they lie in the 1930s about the Holodomor? If not, they did not always lie. Not as long as the NY Times.
In any case, i suspect that most of the media “lies” are more accurately labeled as bullshit (sensu Harry Frankfurt).
Strictly speaking, they force people who own a TV to pay for the BBC under threat of violence.
It makes sense that an organization depending on the State for revenue, advocates for more power to the State.
The 89% turnout in Wisconsin is laughably crooked.
I assume all ballot material is saved in storage and can be checked, they don’t shred the stuff as they go along?
I have a TV and a satellite dish, and use them for DVD’s, radio and cinema streaming. I have sent the BBC a refund form where I state I do not watch live TV, or any TV broadcasts, iplayer, etc. I have disabled all channels except some radio channels. I do not pay the licence fee and am in full compliance. So having a TV in itself doesn’t mean one has to pay the fee.
I stand corrected.
In fact, i knew this was the law when i was in England, but i thought that it got worse since then.
In any case, it makes lucklucky’s claim even weaker.
I don’t know whether or not Trump really won. Even if he did it would not be by much so in a sense somewhat moot. The larger issue is that the establishment has through manipulation and lies undermined Trump’s presidency and 2020 candidacy from day one. Fraud writ large. People are right to be pissed.
Lucklucky’s claim seems pretty strong to me. You have to pay the licence fee if you watch other live TV channels and not the BBC. Wrong in principle of course.
I live in NYC.
Trump is saving the United States from the Progressive Left, Globalists, Woke Zealots, Big Tech, Fake News Media, Hollywood, Chinese Communist Party, and The Deep State.
They are trying to steal this election from Trump. But it’s much bigger than that. This makes Bush v. Gore look literally irrelevant by comparison.
What is happening in the United States right now is absolutely colossal, seismic. This is THE REALIGNING EVENT. This is the realignment sped up in real time.
No matter what happens America will never be the same again after this – politically, socially, economically, culturally. How people interact, discuss history, politics, everything it will all change permanently. Forever.
Pray for us.
I agree with Jon Eds:-
Blue state mayors and police forces allowing rioters “ space to destroy”.
Blue states legislatures accumulating unfeasible debt and counting on future federal bailouts.
Federal judges repeatedly ruling against Executive Orders which, unlike in the Obama years, were immediately put on hold.
Blue state judges approving wholesale manipulation of election law while the DOJ did nothing.
The Supreme Court ruling that one president can make an extra-judicial Executive Order but the next one can’t rescind it.
Social Media organisations censoring their political opponents right up to the President safe in the knowledge that no-one in government will do more than wag a finger at them.
Mainstream media and equally importantly influencers such as Hollywood, TV, the music business and major sports, falling into lockstep to deprecate the President at every possible opportunity with unprecedented ferocity and foulness.
Congress, under the loathsome but highly effective Pelosi, completely restructuring itself by abrogating any pretence at legislation and concentrating solely on repeated efforts to obstruct, impeach and overthrow.
Etc etc
And now it’s all paid off for them. Early on Wednesday morning the President held healthy leads in MI, WI. PA, GA and NC meaning a clear path to the White House. Even the betting exchanges, far more reliable than any pollsters or pundits, had Trump at below 1.5 to win. So the counting stops in all those state’s and a couple of hours later the leads have been slashed and in some cases completely overturned. Game over and it was so easy. The Dems only regret will be, reportedly, having assembled so many expensive lawyers they won’t be needing.
Trumps achievements in trade, the economy, foreign policy look like being overturned within months. China, the EU, Central America, Iran, North Korea, the Palestinians and the UN will all be over the moon, Israel somewhat less so. His success in appointing Conservative judges to the Supreme Court now hangs by a thread dependent on a wafer thin Senate majority (at best 51/49) which includes such “reliable” stalwarts as Romney, Collins and Murkowski. The moment that majority slips to 50/50 VP Harris will cast her tie-breaker to permit an overhaul of procedure that makes Pelosi look like a moderate.
Trump’s claim is false, because the Electoral College is the one that declares victory. And Biden is still ahead in Electoral College votes, and so is likely to be the winner. Hey, if Trump loses, he can still run in 2024!
He will.
Trump knows the Electoral College decides. (If he thought, as the NYT said yesterday, that the press declare the winner, he’d not have bothered running. 🙂 )
It is normal in the US to speak of a candidate as the winner when the outcome appears irreversible barring some violation of the laws of probability so marked as to invite suspicion.
My impression (from talking to friends on Wednesday) is that most people in the US went to bed (those that did) on Tuesday thinking Trump had won. We wake up earlier in the UK than across the pond. I looked at the map and saw Trump was on-track to win despite Biden having more states declared (and the usual people complaining about the declare double-standard). And then I saw a couple of startling events – look away, look back, what? … that’s a big change … was that a step function in the Wisconsin Biden-vote-trendline? And then the self-same thing in Michigan – wait a minute, but didn’t I remember it was … ?
I seriously wondered for a bit if I was still sleepy and was genuinely misremembering figures I’d just read. 🙂
Of course, had I started my day by listening to that gold-standard of trustworthiness the BBC – as I would have a long time ago – instead of an updating results map, I would have been (put) in the right state of mind not to notice, let alone be startled by, such things.
Shlomo Maistre – I am praying for you, and everyone in America. And I had a telephone call from a friend in New York City only yesterday – he was in very great distress.
I am very sorry indeed if harsh words of mine against your political philosophy positions in the past caused you any distress, I can be a horrible unfeeling oaf at times. One should be able to disagree without being nasty – and I have been nasty at times, and I apologise to you Sir.
Neither of us can know for sure if the messiah has already come (my position – the Christian position) or is still to come (the Jewish position), but as Glenn Beck is fond of saying – I hope you will be with me at the Gates when death claims us, so that (if I am wrong) you can speak for me, just as I will speak for you – if you turn out to be mistaken.
Niall is correct – the vote was rigged in several States, and quite blatantly so.
Now we shall see if there is justice left in the United States – if there is then the blatant ballot rigging in such States as Wisconsin and Michigan will be overturned.
My guess is that it will NOT be overturned – not that I do not believe that justice exists, but I do not expect justice in THIS world.
Paul,
Anyone who seriously believes justice* exists in the US needs to look at the treatment or lack thereof of Michael Flynn and Hilary Clinton.
* perhaps I should have said equal justice as, rather like late mail-in ballots, it only ever seems to benefit one particular party.
Looking at Hillary 4 years ago was sufficient for me.
John and Snorri – yes I agree.
By the way – the idea the “privately owned” television stations are any better than the BBC is generally false.
In Britain “Ofcom” makes sure that all television stations are leftist.
In the United States ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and CNN all follow the line of evil – and even Fox News contains many traitors to Western Civilisation, which is based on LIMITED government. Not the unlimited Collectivism supported by those who control Puppet Biden.
As for international Big Business – the Credit Bubble bankers and so on.
I predict that the Economist magazine will be in full support of Puppet Biden tomorrow, just as it was last week. Higher taxes, vastly more government spending, endless “Agenda 21 – Agenda 2030” totalitarianism, and VOTER FRAUD. Those are the principles of the Economist magazine and the rest of the “Build Back Better” international totalitarian establishment.
Paul Marks,
Thank you. G-d Bless.
Beautiful. Word for word back to you (except swap the Judaism and Christianity, of course). I feel exactly the same way.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Trump’s campaign litigation has not yet even filed a claim of a single specific case of fraud. They’ve alleged a lot of process complaints regarding poll-watchers(and I’m sure some are legit), but no actual fraud per se. If they’re not willing to file an actual suit of fraud to win a Presidential election, then it’s pretty clear that they have no evidence whatsoever.
In a country as big as the US, I’m sure some fraud existed, for all candidates. I’m sure someone voted three times for Kanye, just because they could. But the sort of massive, systemic fraud it’d take to swing an election like this? With no volunteers passing word along? You don’t invent hundreds of thousands of fake votes without at least hundreds of people being involved, and one will be a Boy Scout.
I have bookmarked DOZENS of tweets that document video evidence and/or testimony from poll watchers or official GOP-appointed vote count watchers. Almost all of those tweets have since mysteriously been deleted.
Here are the very few of them that have not yet mysteriously been disappeared.
https://twitter.com/MariaBartiromo/status/1324386054254809091
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1324517399698264064
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1324518752038236161
https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1324401889241403394
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1324391665289908224
https://twitter.com/JoeGummKXXV/status/1324049677591916544
https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1324532964068347905
The shenanigans has been happening all over the country, but special shout-out to Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta. <3 those Democrat City Machines.
Unlimited collectivism: That pretty much defines what i am against. Government that is not limited by checks+balances, and not limited by fundamental rights to life, liberty, private property, and the pursuit of happiness.
Whatever disagreements i have had with people here: as long as we are on the same side wrt the above paragraph, be assured that it was only in matters of strategy and tactics.
Oh, OK, also in matters of philosophical foundations. But that is because i believe that *my* philosophical foundations provide a more sound defense against unlimited collectivism. And, of course, because i believe that my philosophical foundations are correct 🙂
Thank you Shlomo Maistre – and may G-d bless you.
Turing to media bias – there was an almost comic example of it today in the United Kingdom.
Last night President Trump delivered a statement on the massive election fraud – he delivered the prepared written statement in a deliberately ultra calm (almost monotone) voice. This morning the headline in the Times (of London) was “Trump Stokes Fury”.
The media are not even pretending to tell the truth – they ae lying without any restraint at all.
And. please remember people, the Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch – in his old age he is losing control of his own busienss (as we can all see by some of the people Fox News employs these days).
Well Snorri Godhi – I would not claim that either Mr David Hume or Professor F.A. Hayek would have supported Puppet Biden or have supported “planning society” as the BUILD BACK BETTER “World Economic Forum” (and the rest of the international establishment) desire.
It is indeed a comic situation – as well as a tragic one.
Next I expect to see Klaus Schwab (50 anniversary of his Fascist Corporate State “Stakeholder Capitalism” campaign comes in 2021) delivering a formal statement……
“Slaves! My evil plan for your torment is as follows…..” as Build-Back-Better Joseph “Joe” Biden and Alexander “Boris” Johnson kiss his boots.
This is an important comment. And I think it relates in a very critical way to the below interesting & insightful comment, which was posted Ed Brenegar.
https://www.samizdata.net/2020/11/we-are-seeing-the-second-coming-of-new-media/#comment-805807
[…] an election. The outcome is contested. There are claims of voter fraud. Project Veritas has videos. This comment by Shlomo Maistre contains seven links to tweets discussing strange events at counting sites across the US. He says […]
Thank you Paul and Shlomo for your kind feedback.
Still in the spirit of amity that Paul inspired, i’d like to ask Shlomo if and how i misunderstood him.
My understanding is that he does not believe in check & balances, and in particular in Popperian democracy, i.e. giving the people the power to cancel the current government. Or more broadly, the power to cancel the current power structure.
If that is correct, why then is he outraged now that the powers-that-be refuse to be canceled?
Again, this is a question in a spirit of amity.
Snorri Godhi,
First of all, there are many reasons why I have been reading Samizdata on a regular basis since I discovered it in ~2003. I have learned a lot from the Samizdatistas over the decades – not just information but, more importantly, how to think – which is something the universities I attended never really taught me.
Yes, my philosophical positions and my reading of history have changed overtime.
I have posted comments under this nom de guerre on Samizdata (almost exclusively Samizdata) over the years to test my philosophical positions against what I consider many of the most incisive, interesting thinkers on the English-speaking internet.
Were there disagreements? Yes, but I genuinely believe that many of these seeming disagreements were really just misunderstandings. I have an acerbic tongue.
Long story short:
1. What does it mean to “believe in” these four things? What do you mean by “believe in”.
2. There is a fundamental difference between questions about what OUGHT to be and questions about what IS or CAN be. These two types of questions should be considered separately.
My philosophical positions remain completely unchanged.
With respect, I am not sure what about my philosophical positions would lead you to ask this question. And I do not mean that in a facetious way at all.
In the USA right now over half of the population is living in a Fake Narrative that is much more dangerous & terrifying than the Fake Narratives of the past. In my opinion (and this may be controversial) I believe that Trump by winning in 2016 broke a narrative that was luckily endemic to the government, which necessitated an almost religious Fake Narrative to replace him at any cost. The result has been a situation in which nearly half of Americans (those willing to see) actually see the actual real government & power structure for one shining, glorious moment in time. This is extremely dangerous and scary. And it cannot last.
We will see what happens. I am not hopeful, but I do know that – regardless of whether I am right or wrong about the philosophical positions I have (and which most/all people here disagree with) – the following is 100% true:
We are allies in the fight against the Woke Left. And we always have been.
If I may elaborate/clarify part of the above:
In my opinion (and this may be controversial) I believe that Trump by winning in 2016 broke an Internal Narrative inherent to the power structure of the de facto government (that the power structure controls who the POTUS is), which necessitated an almost religious Fake Narrative to replace him at any cost – to prevent anyone from ever trying this kind of thing that Trump did ever again.
So what has transpired for the past 4 years (Russia Collusion Hoax is just one of a MILLION examples) has been a struggle over the Narrative between two separate sovereignties:
1. de facto government (Deep State, Federal Bureaucracy, Universities, Fake News Media, Establishments of BOTH the Democratic and Republican Parties)
2. de jure government (Trump)
Regardless of how much voter fraud has actually transpired, we know for sure that prior to any real investigation into the matter:
1. De facto government claims with religious fervor that no significant fraud has transpired and they censor, bury, suppress any information or claim to the contrary and their brainwashed robots demonize anyone who suggests publicly that investigation may be warranted
2. De jure government claims that significant fraud has probably transpired
The election of 2020 is the crowning jewel of this epic struggle of Two Narratives because it is symbolically and literally The Transition of Power from one sovereignty to another. This is why NBC and many other networks took the POTUS off the air when he started making claims about voter fraud that these networks claim to be false, even though they refuse to investigate or even acknowledge any of the evidence for it. Removing the POTUS from the national airwaves on the NIGHT OF THE ELECTION is literally de facto sovereignty DENYING de jure sovereignty the right to transition power to de facto sovereignty in a way that APPEARS GENUINE.
They are saying voting fraud does not exist because IT DOESN’T. And they are saying that power WILL be transitioned whether Trump thinks fraud has happened or not.
The truth is that the entire Trump Presidency has been unofficially a de facto Constitutional Crisis.
The result has been a situation in which nearly half of Americans (those willing to see) actually see the actual real de facto government & de facto power structure for one shining, glorious moment in time. This is extremely dangerous and scary. And it cannot last. We will probably never see it again.
Trump has pulled up the curtain for one glorious moment in time. Trump is an actual Hero and his name will live forever.
Trump lost Arizona because of his disgraceful comments about Senator John McCain. McCain’s widow has urged Republicans to vote for Biden! If Trump had been a better man, than Arizona would not have flipped! And the Republicans still control the Senate, so President Biden will need to negotiate, and drop far-left programs.
Agreed.
Not if he loses this battle.
McCain was a shit. It’s about time someone told the truth about him.
So what?
Really? What’s that got to do with the price of fish?
Other than to illustrate that the Republican movement is infiltrated with Democrat sympathizers.
Shlomo: At first reading, i am in complete agreement with your analysis from yesterday at 11:32 pm.
WRT your previous comment:
I suppose that point 2 above is the key to understanding point 1. And both are valid points. I failed to think it through before writing my comment.
Let me try again. My understanding is that you are skeptical about checks & balances.
My guess is that you — like Tacitus — believe not that checks & balances are feasible but undesirable, but that they are a pipe-dream and therefore it is irrelevant whether they are desirable or not.
And yet, now that the de facto government is asserting its (unchecked & unbalanced) power, you are alarmed. Did you not see it coming? (The way i saw the British lockdown coming.)
Or perhaps you were hoping for regime change. Because, obviously, even in the absence of checks & balances, regimes do change.
APL:
Hmm… If Trump wins this battle, half of America will think that he is even less legitimate than he was before.
OTOH if he loses while still exposing the fraud (to those who want to see), and goes on to found a media empire (as it is being speculated) then his name will be remembered long after the names of the other POTUSes after Reagan will be forgotten.
Not sure about the first 4 words, but it is true that Trump made me realize that the Bushes, McCain, Romney, and other twits let the American people down, by not fighting back when the Dems insulted the people by way of insulting them.
Yes. It is alarming to me. There are a lot of aspects as to why that is.
Well, my own positions on political philosophy have only become more entrenched after witnessing what has transpired over the past week. But no, I did not see this coming.
1. I did not think the polls were accurate but I did not suspect the polls (both national and state by state) to be so incredibly far off (even worse than 2016) for Trump to actually have a very real chance of winning the election.
2. I did not think that there would be nearly such widespread credible evidence from so many people showing likely voter fraud and malfeasance.
3. I did not think that the media would not even PRETEND to investigate or cover or even acknowledge the evidence (including videos, testimony, etc) of voter fraud.
4. I did not think that so many people I know personally (and others I used to know personally) could be so thoroughly and demonstrably brainwashed by the media to such an extent that they place allegations of voter fraud into the same conspiracy theory bucket as 9/11 truth. Not only that, but these intelligent Biden supporters I know literally call it a conspiracy theory before the votes are fully counted, before the race has been called, without wanting to look at any evidence, and WHILE lots more evidence is being published on Big Tech platforms and being censored or disappeared very quickly.
Perhaps. A mere mortal like me cannot imagine what Trump is grappling with right now.
I do know that:
1. Democrats (including for example a Dem Congresswoman of the US Congress) are publicly claiming to be making lists of Trump supporters, donors, employees.
2. Democrats (including many many Congressmen & Congresswomen) have claimed recently & publicly that “Silence is Violence”
1 by itself is terrifying. 2 by itself is terrifying. Both combined is demonic. Demonic. This is an acceleration of the Left that should alarm the entire western world.
Philosophical disagreements must be put aside among all of us who oppose the Woke Left. We have to protect ourselves against the Woke Left. We have to figure out a way to organize ourselves and protect ourselves.
Eventually, the end game (and this may take centuries to achieve) we have to INSULATE ourselves from the Left within society by separating ourselves from them in legal and peaceful ways. This means separating ourselves from them peacefully, legally, financially, politically, economically, socially, and digitally. We have to own our own companies – everything from farms to banks to construction companies to manufacturing to software engineering. We have to rely on ourselves. We have to use our own products and services. We have to teach our own children.
I suspect given how difficult the above would be to ever achieve that what will end up happening is that the Real Resistance to the Woke Left will be religious groups: Orthodox Jews, Mormons, Traditionalist Catholics, and Serious Evangelicals. People who really take their religion seriously.
Because the Woke Left is a religion. The religion worships lies, chaos, destruction, and disorder. And it seeps into our lives in insidious and invisible ways and slowly destroys us.
Well, if you haven’t noticed, according to CNN, MSNBC et al, they already think that anyway. And the half that elected him the first time, and re-elected him this time ( in fact he increased his vote to such an extent that the Democrats had to close the poling stations gerrymander the Democrat vote, then open them back up and start ‘counting’ ), they would vote for him again in a heartbeat.
If he prevails, which if the supreme court does its job, he should, it’ll just be the status quo ante.
If he loses, regardless of exposing the fraud. No one will impeach Biden. Biden will keep on sniffing little girls hair, entertain more foreign adventures, continue taking more backhanders from China – and every sordid little scandal will be covered up.
Viewing from the foothills of the Rocky Mountains, it has become evident that the Beeb is a wretched pack of Bolsheviks, and the greater part of the U. S. Congress is a parliament of Gilligans.
It occurred to me that Trump might be able to sue the BBC for libel under British law. If he can, he should.
Shlomo:
Actually, i myself did not even look at the numbers. I knew that the gap was closing, and that was all what i needed to know about the polls.
As i said elsewhere, my prediction of a Trump victory was based on my estimation that the American people have not become much more insane than they already were in 2016, and in the absence of other reasons (other than fake news) to vote against Trump, they would vote him in.
The above paragraph is not meant to be a joke btw. I do believe that we are all insane, due to the seed oils, refined sugars, and cereal grains that we ate while growing up — and that most of you still eat.
Your other points 2 to 4 would further confirm me in this belief, if further confirmation were needed.
PS: given that Anglo-American “progressives” tend to eat less butter, meat, and eggs (and potatoes?) than Anglo-American conservatives & libertarians, it stands to reason that they probably ingest more seed oils, sugar, and cereal grains.
The results are plain to see.
But conservatives are not in good mental health, either. Nobody is.
Assuming you mean the BBC, then yes. Spot on!