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On This Day

On 3 September 1939 the United Kingdom and France declared war on Germany. But we are in no danger of forgetting that.

When did you last think about Beslan?

16 comments to On This Day

  • staghounds

    Did you mean Beslan?

  • Natalie Solent (Essex)

    Yes, will correct.

  • George Atkisson

    Speaking of Beslan, there was a jihadi trading camp in New Mexico, US, run by Muslims. It was teaching children to be school suicide bombers. After it was raided a judge dismissed all charges and the entire site was bulldozed two days later. Nothing to see here. National news blackout. Can’t have anything out there that President Trump or anti-illegal immigrant groups could use against the Left’s protected victim classes.

    Like the Las Vegas massacre, evidence destroyed, questions ignored, and a very, very forgetful Media.

    We will have Beslan type attacks in the US. Because it’s politically incorrect to notice the preparations.

  • bobby b

    “After it was raided a judge dismissed all charges . . . “

    It gets curiouser and curiouser. On Friday, the FBI re-arrested them all, pending indictment of several of those familiar conspiracy-type charges that are used to hold terrorists while more investigation is done.

    If it weren’t for the fact that the defendants actually walked free for a day, I’d say this was all just one weird mechanism for transferring the prosecution from the state venue to the federal one. With the quick arrest shortly after dismissal by the state court judge, though, it’s more likely that the feds were simply on their toes and ready to jump in when the state court prosecutors messed up.

  • Slartibartfarst

    Well, unlike the anniversary of the UK/France declaration of war on 1939-09-03, I have a calendar pop-up to remind me of the Beslan massacre of schoolchildren by Islamic jihadists, so I think of those Beslan children every year:

    On September 1, 2004, The North Caucasus town of Beslan became know to the world for a tragic reason. A terrorist group took hostage 1,128 people who gathered at a local school on that day; two days later, 319 hostages including 187 children were killed in the storming of the building. Hundreds of schoolchildren and their relatives were injured.

    I have similar reminders of the dates of other incidents where innocents have been killed by Islamic jihadists and mullahs.

    It has occurred to me that if I tried to put the dates of all the documented killings of innocents by Islamic jihadists and mullahs, I would have a very busy calendar of reminders indeed. I expect someone has already done that anyway, somewhere on the Internet, though of course it may have been subsequently censored as “hate speech” or something and thus no longer available.

    People in Western societies may need to remind themselves not only of the date of such killing(s) but also of the fact that such killings are not necessarily sinful in the eyes of sincere believers in the Islamic theology, as they will all have been done according to Shariah law and/or in the name of Allah who is great and all-knowing. The beheadings especially will have been done in the manner of the exemplar Mohammed (pbuh) who has apparently been credited with personally making over 500 beheadings.
    Some people (not me, you understand) might say that 500 was a bit of a challenge for any would-be jihadist, but I couldn’t possibly comment.

  • john malpas

    it was not the united kingdom but great Britain that declared war

  • WindyPants

    Did anyone else notice that the BBC’s article on Beslan fails to include the words Muslim or Islam, fails to explain the motivation for the terrorists and their actions and also appears to lay the blame for the massacre at the feet of those trigger-happy Rooskies rather than the religious nut-jobs who took over the school in the first place?

  • Julie near Chicago

    Slarti, at jihadwatch.com there is a box on the right, about 2/3 of the way down, that claims 33758 deadly islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11.

    The figure comes from https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ .

  • Slartibartfarst

    @Julie near Chicago: Ah, thanks for that info + link. I thought I’d seem it somewhere like that.

  • The Pedant-General

    john malpas

    “it was not the united kingdom but great Britain that declared war”

    That’s a very interesting distinction. Do you have a source?
    Would be very surprising if Northern Ireland managed to avoid being at war if GB was.

  • Mr Ed

    T P-G.

    The genesis of the assertion that Great Britain and not the UK declared war could be the Government of Ireland Act 1920 section 4 (3) which reserved the power to make war or peace and other matters to the British Crown, and did not grant it to either Irish Parliament, with Northern Ireland having technically joined the UK after leaving it with Southern Ireland when Ireland became independent as a Dominion, before Northern Ireland’s opting back in again.

  • Natalie Solent (Essex)

    Staghounds, I was thinking about why I initially wrote “Belsan” in this post. I’ve made that same error before. I think it was because of the association with “Belsen”, as in the Nazi concentration camp. The scale of the latter was far bigger but both places stand for the refined, concentrated – God, I swear I didn’t see that double meaning until I wrote it – essence of evil. Slartibartfast has a point with his calendar of remembrance: Beslan does seem almost forgotten in the West. As WindyPants said, that is probably because often the words “Islamic” and “Muslim” are effaced from press reports of Jihadi atrocities and the crimes themselves downplayed. When these self-censored media reports appear, Instapundit, Tim Blair and some others have taken to sarcastically citing a quote from the film 2001 originally referring to the mysterious alien monolith: “its origin and purpose still a total mystery”.

  • Monty

    I usually remember the Beslan outrage, and I suspect quite a lot of other folk also keep track of it, because it falls at about the same date our own youngsters go back to school for the new academic year.

  • Mr Ed

    I, and the Sage of Kettering, had the immense privilege of hearing Captain Eric Brown RN talk about the liberation of Belsen, which he was involved in, going through a ring of Hungarian troops during a parlay (look at a map, how far they were into Germany) with the war still having some time to run, and then the aftermath in justified but sickening detail, and the trials, not perhaps to the most exacting standards, perhaps like ‘You worked in this place, you saw that pile of corpses over there, what’s your excuse?’ and with none forthcoming, the noose (an old Saxon method, brought back to Germany 1,400 years later), but a trial nonetheless.

    Hard to forget it.

    PS. Eric Brown was arrested in Germany by the SS (or Gestapo) on 3rd September 1939, but was released and exchanged, he shot down two Condors over the Atlantic, amongst other things.

  • Fraser Orr

    I try not to think of Beslan. I remember it extremely well. The thought of children running terrified, naked and being gunned down in the back, it makes me nauseated even all these years later. I remember clearly the story of one of the terrorists who ran out of bullets so started stabbing the children instead. It is beyond my understanding how human beings can become able to do that. I can only attribute it to the religious urge which excuses everything in the name of righteousness.

  • Paul Marks

    On the first question – Britain and France were correct to declare war on Germany in 1939, Chancellor Hitler had broken every agreement he had made (he was a serial OATH BREAKER) and his intention was obviously to continue to invade and conquer countries, including France and Britain (degenerate pro Nazis to the contrary). Austin Chamberlain (the once pro German half brother of Neville) had come to this conclusion before he died.

    As for Beslan….

    It is true that Mr Putin destroyed (killed) the non Islamist independence leaders (such as the first President of Chenchnya) – this lead to the Islamists taking over the Chechen movement.

    But that in no way excuses the utter evil of the Islamists at Beslan.