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Samizdata quote of the day Labour always goes missing during a depression. They did it in the 1930s, the 1980s and they’re doing it now. A cynic might argue that that is because during a depression there’s nothing more to steal.
– Patrick Crozier, one of our own regular contributors.
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We’re not in a depression now (unless the GDP figures have changed dramatically) – but Labour (despite occupying the news fairly constantly) seem to be very much missing something.
The fear I routinely hear from all Brits opposed to Britain being turned into Venezuela by a Corbynist regime, is that if, following some sort of financial collapse along the lines of 2007/2008 or whenever it was exactly, but worse, just such a Corbynist regime might sweep to power, on an “Anyone But These Incompetent Bastards” ticket. But what Patrick says tells me that, no matter how bad the economy gets, Britain’s voters would never vote for such national suicide in sufficient numbers. A majority of them would be well aware that this would be like decapitation to cure a severe migraine. They will only ever vote for as much socialism as they feel the country can afford, and only an incorrigible minority will vote for more socialism than that.
I hope that’s right. Although, I hope I never get to find out if that’s right.
What Patrick says is actually rather good news, about how sane we Brits are, under pressure. (Gullible fucking idiots in their (count me out) millions when not under so much pressure, but that’s a different story.)
I wish that was true. But I have dreadful fear that immigration demographics, the client state (benefits and teat-sucking jobs), brain-washing from education, and urban detatchment from reality have created a large enough pool to sweep a Trot-regime to power following the next severe financial crash.
After all, what’s not to like about promising milk & honey paid for by rich bastards? Why has no one ever thought of doing it before?
This falls down when one is talking about Stalinists, those who brought mass starvation and cannibalism to the Ukraine and Kazakhstan. There are many in the Labour Party now who wish the same on those they regard as their enemies.
As I have said before, anyone who votes Labour does not deserve not to starve to death, for starvation is ultimately what they are voting for.
>This falls down when one is talking about Stalinists, those who brought mass starvation and cannibalism to the Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
Yeah, but he’s talking abour Labour, not the Russian Communists. And the people hardly voted for Stalin anyway.
>We’re not in a depression now
No, and not even a recession. But few people feel like we’re in good economic times. Labour thrives when the Conservatives get things going well, and there is a perception that there is a load of money there to be shared around. (Of course there is always the possibility that Labour will get voted in if the economy crashes, I can only hope that Brian is right there, and the British people aren’t that stupid.)
Labour are led by someone who, if he is does not quack like a Stalinist, is a moorhen amongst ducks. What people vote for hardly matters, it’s what those in power can do that matters.
As I say, there is plenty more to steal, it might just be lives, not material stuff.
“Labour always goes missing during a depression. They did it in the 1930s, the 1980s and they’re doing it now. A cynic might argue that that is because during a depression there’s nothing more to steal.”
proggtards in america never were mia in those periods. besides print more money.
Ed, I see what you mean now, you’re not talking about voting, you’re talking about what can be stolen by those who have got power, even when you think there’s nothing left to steal.
Cal,
Yes, and with the UK leaving the EU, there is no legal check on an untrammelled Parliamentary majority and what it may enable. At the point of the UK entering the EEC in the 1970s, the radical Left were opposed to it, probably because it was not subordination to Moscow and also it represented a potential check on their ambitions. By the 1990s, the bulk of the Left saw the EEC/EU as a force for progress.
But the Corbynistas look to me, for all the World, like a frustrated bunch of Communists who all their lives have longed for power, and would use every last bit of it given half a chance, going at least as far as in Venezuela, if not Cuba.
Stuck-record,
You do know that immigrant communities tend to stop voting Labour and become more normal through time? Just like other groups at the moment (traditional Labour voters, ex-mining communities etc…).
The Labour Party will be back – and it will be a bust that brings them back.
Yes I know the bubble economy has lasted vastly longer than I thought it possibly could (as Patrick would say “look how long it has lasted in Japan” – although their overall burden of taxation is still lower than ours), but it must collapse at some point. And there will be the Labour Party with their “solution” of Venezuela style statism.
Unless some new party (perhaps the Lib Dems allied with break-away elements of the Labour Party) replaces them – although their policies would also be a disaster, they would be less of a disaster than Corbyn and co.
Still Corbyn and co may finally fall in the Labour Party – if they lose by a really large margin in June.