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Samizdata quote of the day

Iran is a country full of hot women forced to wear binbags on their heads by religious fascists.

– Samizdata Uber driver of the day

26 comments to Samizdata quote of the day

  • Paul Marks

    Yes – one of my many differences with a certain person in Kent is his attitude to the Islamic Republic of Iran.

    Like Mr Obama, Mr Putin and the People’s Republic of China – the person-in-Kent is convinced that the Islamic Republic of Iran is a relatively moderate regime of whom we do not need to be concerned about. I deeply disagree. I believe the Islamic Republic of Iran to be a threat – a very serious threat (made still worse by the nuclear technology it has got from Pakistan, the missile technology from North Korea – and the general aid from the Putin regime in Russia and the People’s Republic of China), and that action must be taken soon if nuclear disaster is to be avoided.

    Of course if Mr Obama had not betrayed the Iranian opposition in 2009 things would be different – but Mr Obama did choose to betray them, so the situation is not good.

    “Paul you are saying everyone else is wrong – and only you are correct”.

    Basically – YES.

    Although it seems an Uber taxi driver agrees with me.

    By the way – I fully accept that there are important philosophical differences between the Shia and the Sunni. For example on Free Will – with the Shia holding that it exists (which made that pro Iranian regime attitude of a certain person a surprise to me – as, philosophically, he is more in line with the determinist, anti libertarian, position of the Sunni).

    However, it is the shared position that the “infidels” must be crushed that I find more important among both the Sunni and the Shia – with the added “wrinkle” that “Hastener” “12er” Shia (“Hasterners” being powerful within the Islamic Republic of Iran) believe that the world must be covered with fire and blood to “hasten” the return of the Hidden One (rather like the Book of Revelations – but with the AntiChrist as the good guy).

    “But that is insane Paul”.

    Yes – but insane people are sometimes highly intelligent, capable of forming a plan and carrying it out with a high degree of skill.

    The expanding conventional power of the Islamic Republic of Iran (with its allies Putin’s Russia and the People’s Republic of China using it as a stalking horse against the West) is a problem (as far West as Lebanon) – and its nuclear program (thanks to Mr Obama) may now be very hard to stop.

  • lemon jellyfish

    Yeah I’ve had to interesting convos with Uber drivers as well, as they’re from everywhere.

  • …as they’re from everywhere.

    And this one was, of course, from Iran 😉

  • bobby b

    How would anyone know that they’re hot?

  • Hedgehog

    How would anyone know that they’re hot?

    Walk around covered with a black binbag in subtropical weather and you’ll be hot too.

  • Slartibartfarst

    I consider that the statement:

    Iran is a country full of hot women forced to wear binbags on their heads by religious fascists.

    – is potentially offensive to Iranians and all Muslim womenfolk wearing the burqa, though admittedly it could be pretty much true (or able to be substantiated) and though the “hot” part could be complex and debatable. By the way, they are not plastic binbags – as is implied – but small portable cotton tents with a little window cleverly built in so as the occupant can move around in public in total unseen privacy and still see where they are going. This is just one example amongst many of clever Muslim technology and as to why Western feminists so admire the high standards of equality and freedom and right to privacy enjoyed by all Muslim women in their society.

    If it means “hot” as in “climate temperature”, then yes, but it is not a good all-inclusive generalisation as there are also quite cold places in Iran and where it even snows in Winter. Not a lot of people know that.

    If it means “hot” as in “physically attractive”. then, unfortunately, that might not necessarily be true either. One gathers that a lot of the girls/women from Iran and other parts of the Middle East, for example, may tend be be very pretty early bloomers, but start to show a genetic short and fat pear-shaped disposition/heritage even by age 13 or so. I too have sadly witnessed this amongst my own wives, and it can sometimes be difficult for a man – especially as he gets older – to get up a good head of steam when serving the older wives. Thus, performing one’s duty as a husband, as Allah commands us, is not always easy.

    Regardless, this won’t necessarily be a “new thing”, either. I have often wondered whether it isn’t, at root – at least partially – the reason for the Muslim custom of taking child brides. The Infidel Western moral attitude that having sex with a child before some arbitrary pre-determined “age of consent” – (say) for example, 16+ – is not and apparently never has been shared by Iranians and other Muslims, who would find the very idea and the Western label of “pedophilia” for this to be grossly offensive to their religious freedoms – which freedoms include emulating Mohammed (pbuh) and marrying a 6-year old, and the customary chopping off of the heads of Infidels as a sacred duty.

    Whilst one can’t condemn Iranians and other Muslims for following their religious practices and customs, and however much one may disagree with them, critics perhaps need to “walk a mile in their shoes”. If they did, then those critics might be surprised to find that, in Iran and other Muslim states, the order of the day could well be to “get it whilst it’s hot”, so to speak, in what is really a relatively very short window of opportunity and where Allah mandates productivity (and forbids contraception and abortion), and where birth rates have to necessarily be sustained at as high a level as possible, to compensate for the attrition of jihadists and martyrs and to populate and occupy the growing hegemonic caliphate. Numbers are important. The Ayatollah apparently tacitly recognised this, when he was quoted as saying recently:

    Let not your daughter have her first blood in her father’s house.”

    I don’t know, but I would presume he was speaking as a family man also.
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    (((:~{> “Be there or be dhimmi” – Annual Everybody Draw Mohammed Day – since 20 May, 2010.

  • Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker!) Gray

    Paul, you’ve got some things wrong! Revelations was either a failed prophecy about the Roman Empire, or a symbolic description of the rewards of each soul disciplining itself, with the seven churches being the chakras. ‘He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment…”
    Rev 3v5
    ‘Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out…’ Rev 3v12
    ‘To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.’ Rev3v21
    ‘him that overcometh shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my Son.’ Rev 21v7.
    So Revelations is about self-discipline, with the dragon being the old self, not going out without a struggle, as anyone who has tried to break a bad habit will know.
    Not about the end of the objective world, but the subjective one.

  • Sababa

    How would anyone know that they’re hot?

    Not all Iranian women live in Islamofascist Iran. I’ve known several and quite a few were… hot 😉 Oh yes… Iranian woman can indeed be quite hot.

  • Thailover

    Bobby B asked,
    “How would anyone know that they’re hot?”

    Because as recently as 1979, women in Iran were as modern and cosmopolitan as women in today’s Turkey. Look at some Iranian magazine covers from the late ’70, and it looks more salacious than today’s Cosmopolitan magazine. What happened to the people of Iran is nothing short of a crime against humanity.

  • Thailover

    Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker!) Gray, No, you too are wrong about the Book of Revelation. It’s an occult rendering of a coveted recepe for Chicken Pot Pie. The seven-headed dragon is a dead give-away.

    Of course, that “John of Potmos” island, aka the Island of ‘shrooms, might, just might have something to do with John’s “visions”.

  • Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker!) Gray

    What, dragon is code for chicken? Where can I get a seven-headed chicken, and do they taste good? And I’ve never heard that Patmos is the island of mushrooms. Where do you get your info?

  • Andrew Duffin

    “as modern and cosmopolitan as women in today’s Turkey”

    Hmm, this comparison may be short-lived; Mr. Erdogan has other ideas I think.

  • Darin


    Of course if Mr Obama had not betrayed the Iranian opposition in 2009 things would be different – but Mr Obama did choose to betray them, so the situation is not good.

    Iraq war costs: 4500 US dead and about 1,7 trillion. Iran is three times the size of Iraq, population wise, so the cost of Operation Iran Liberation would be about 13500 dead and $5 trillion. Even for BHO it is no pocket change

  • Hedgehog

    Darin: I don’t think Paul Marks is suggesting that Obama should have gone to war with Iran. The rather low bar that is being set for Obama, which he still managed to fail to meet, is to speak up in favor of free elections and the will of the people in that benighted country.

    Strange that a man like Obama, who has injected himself and his loud mouth in all manner of events where he should have been silent, did not find it appropriate to do so in that case.

  • bobby b

    Obama’s actions regarding Iran make perfect sense if you ascribe them to the influence of Valerie Jarrett.

  • Jacob

    “Obama’s actions regarding Iran make perfect sense if you ascribe them to the influence of Valerie Jarrett.”

    Indeed.
    Obama’s foreign policy was run mainly by Hillary Clinton, and then John Kerry. Obama was an aloof and un-involved President. Even his “signal achievement” – Obamacare – was passed by Congress with no input from Obama.
    All Obama did was nominate mediocre lefty ideologues like him to all key positions. At best… that doesn’t include Kerry, “mediocre” is too much for him.

  • Hedgehog

    All Obama did was nominate mediocre lefty ideologues like him to all key positions.

    Indeed. It has been said by not a few journalists that Obama always was the smartest man in the room. And I think that’s true. He accomplished this feat by surrounding himself with utterly incompetent mediocrities. And given their level of skill, not one of these journalists was ever able to tell.

  • Rich Rostrom

    bobby b @January 19, 2017 at 4:23 pm:

    Obama’s actions regarding Iran make perfect sense if you ascribe them to the influence of Valerie Jarrett.

    Possibly: though the fact that she was born in Iran seems to be a coincidence. (Her father worked for the Shah’s government, and her family moved away when she was five.)

    Hedgehog @ January 19, 2017 at 5:37 pm:

    It has been said by not a few journalists that Obama always was the smartest man in the room. And I think that’s true. He accomplished this feat by surrounding himself with utterly incompetent mediocrities.

    “A first-rate leader chooses first-rate subordinates. A second-rate leader chooses third-rate subordinates…”

    Which is why

    “The fish rots from the head down.”

  • Chester Draws

    Iranians mostly don’t wear the burqa, dimwits. They wear the Hijab, which does not cover the face.

    The burka (or niqab) would be Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that’s presumably your “bin liner”, since lots of Iranian women wear quite stylish scarves.

    Despite the Ayatollahs, Iran is actually relatively modern. Way more so than the Saudis — who apparently are our good friends and allies. If there is a threat to Western civilisation, it will come from the expansionist ideas coming out of Arabia, not the isolationism that is typically Persian.

    Iran is the enemy because it threatens Israel, and US policy is based around protecting Israel, not because of any existential threat otherwise.

  • Iranians mostly don’t wear the burqa, dimwits. They wear the Hijab, which does not cover the face.

    His name was Reza, so I think he knows that… and he said ‘on their heads’ not face.

  • Hedgehog

    Iran is the enemy because it threatens Israel

    Oh, I dunno. Maybe the chants of “Death to America” have something to do with it as well.

  • Michael Jennings

    Many Iranian women have developed the ability to wear a headscarf in such a way that almost all of their hair is still showing. It’s quite impressive.

    I spent 10 days in Tehran last month. It was very interesting, and I really must write about it.

  • Julie near Chicago

    Michael: Please do!

  • Sababa

    not the isolationism that is typically Persian

    That would explain those Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq, right?

  • Michael Jennings

    Iran strikes me as one of the least isolationist cultures I have ever seen. It’s a trading culture. And yes. Iran is more modern and much more western that any Arab country I have ever been to.

  • Sababa

    Iran is more modern and much more western that any Arab country I have ever been to

    Because it’s not an Arab country 😎