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The intellectivore I want you to observe two things about this piece by Simon Jenkins in today’s Guardian:
“Why the Democrats should not impeach Donald Trump”
1) It is quite reasonable, yet Simon Jenkins wrote it.
2) It is obvious that something is consuming the commenters’ reason.
I should have known. Simon Jenkins ate their minds. His opinion pieces are no more than the bait by which he ensnares unfortunate denizens of the mundane universe, who are driven by some primaeval attraction like that of the moth to the flame into commenting at the Guardian website. Once they are thus fatally linked to him across the dimensions, he, or rather it, feasts upon their intellects, leaving them as mindless husks blind to their own political interests who can only repeat with idiot vindictiveness whatever slogan last caught their attention.
Either that or Guardian readers were like that anyway.
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The frothing over Donald Trump has reached ridiculous levels.
And again they have to invent a crime to persecute him.
Its witch burning season, and Trump is but the first of many people these cunts will pursue.
I’m going to use that in the next business plan that I write looking for website funding. It’s perfect!
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Give the Dimocrats some credit. Thy are finishing as they started by impeaching Trump. After four years of constant impeachment you can’t say that they are not at least consistent, even if it never found any evidence of wrongdoing.
Note that impeachment means that the person committed high crimes and misdemeanours WHILE IN OFFICE so it is pretty difficult to do so before assuming power.
Unless, of course, the Dimocrats’ amazing powers of seeing into the future could predict the high crimes etc. before hand, just like they could predict the outcome of the election before polling opened. Amazing, that, eh?
The internet desperately needs a sarcasm font, right enough.
At least the Democrats are out and out enemies ( Although when Trump was a New York Democrat, the Democrat Politicians didn’t refuse his funding ), its the repulsive Republicans, who I read are talking of censuring Trump for his Constitutionally protected speech.
Anyway, his speech in DC hadn’t finished before the Capitol was invaded. As far as I can tell, you couldn’t have left the site of Trumps speech and had time to run to the Capitol building to ‘storm’ it. Trump’s speech was nothing to do with the break-in at the Capitol building.
Questions:
– why did police move barriers and let demonstrators past, who were not trying to push past them?
– how did anyone get into Capitol, such a strongly protected place, who let them in and why?
– Antifa were clearly there (from video clips), and the ones trying to break into the building, why were they at a pro-Trump demo?
– how was it that firearms trained police in such an important building fired wildly or accidentally killing an unarmed protester outside?
It certainly all provided grist for the impeach Trump mill. It has the look of by design rather than by accident.
re: Questions
There was a very similar situation in the early days of the Hong Kong protests last year when the Legislative Council (HK “parliament”) building was invaded. At the start the building was occupied by heavily-armed riot police who rapidly de-materialised to allow the invasion to happen.
The robot check is a joke. It has taken me 20 attempts to be validated.
Michael Yon, from whom Alsadius claims to have learned something, agrees that antifa was implicated. And he should know.
Not entirely a false-flag operation, but a riot provoked by false-flag agitators (pardon my French: agents provocateurs).
Oops…Alsadius claims to follow Andy Ngo, not Michael Yon.
Was fooled by the unusual 3-letter family names. Apologies.
Does anyone remember a 1990’s political drama called GBH starring Robert Lindsay and surprisingly Michael Palin?
The denouement when security service personnel infiltrate left wing organisations (it was written by Alan Bleasdale after all) to ensure that a demo goes ahead to their liking was particularly convincing.
Its common knowledge that if five white supremacists gather to discuss terrorism in the US, three will be Feds, one will be ATF and the last will be the mentally retarded patsy.
I see Alsadius is the new persona non-grata now that NiV has been driven off. I guess having a different opinion is not acceptable around here.
There was nothing wrong with the speech of President Donald John Trump at the rally of January 6th – there was nothing wrong with any of the speeches at the rally. One could say that President Trump should have then led any march (one can not control a march if one is not there) – but that is a separate matter. Why advised the President to leave? What did they say? Did they warn him their might be assassins in the crowd (perfectly possible as their were ANTI “Trump” people there – not just supporters of the President), or did they just say “time for lunch”? I suspect we will never know.
As for the precious impeachment effort – in early 2020. The corruption was that of Mr Joseph Biden and his family.
The fact that the corruption was from the Biden family – and yet it was Donald John Trump (not Joseph Biden) who was put on trial, should tell us all we need to know about the American political establishment elite. The media, the Corporations – the lot really.
In words the Guardian newspaper may remember – the American establishment elite are VILE CREATURES and Washington D.C. is an ANTI AMERICAN CITY. But then most American cities are anti American – very much so.
“But do you still think that is true of the Western establishment elite generally?” – sadly YES.
Are you a sock puppet? 🙂
Speaking for myself, it’s not a matter of opinion but of style of argument.
Nullius, in my opinion, was/is a mixed bag. Could argue cogently on some subjects, but on others, for want of a better expression, he just repeated the party line.
I haven’t read as many comments by Alsadius as by Nullius, but what strikes me is his circular reasoning: he sneers at Trump supporters for their opinions, and sneers at their opinions because they are the opinions of Trump supporters.
Hello “Null”.
It is your side that is censoring people – driving them off the internet. And which is making it clear that it will drive every supporter of President Trump out of their employment, or ruin their business, and make sure they have to kill themselves – and some already have killed themselves. And that it will use the education system and the media to make children hate their parents – and hate every “reactionary” principle of Western Civilisation.
So YES “Null” – I am not delighted to see you here.
The one good thing about this terrible situation in the world is that things are straightforward now – friends and enemies. Those who support the “World Economic Forum”, “Build Back Better” “Agenda 21 – Agenda 2030”, “Sustainable Development”, “Stakeholder Capitalism”, Collectivist totalitarian “Social Justice”, and those who oppose these Corporate and Government plans.
There is, no longer, any middle ground.
Mostly agree with Paul Marks. I cannot agree on everything, because e.g. i have not heard/read Trump’s speech. But i have read quotes from it.
It can still be argued, however, that Trump made a strategic mistake. Maybe — just maybe — he should have followed a ju-jitsu strategy: still make a fuss about it, but don’t ask Pence to overturn the fraudulent results, don’t press the issue too strongly in his January 6th speech, and let Biden/Harris bear the burden of perceived illegitimacy for 4 years.
Trump should have been focused on making sure that voting fraud was going to be investigated, even after Biden became POTUS. Just as it was investigated after he became POTUS.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/01/11/france-germany-mexico-australia-join-international-outcry-over-censorship-of-donald-trump/
We are moving way off topic. In a modest effort to steer back on topic, let me just say that this push for impeachment is so blatantly arbitrary that it is ridiculous. Which makes me welcome it.
Paul. I don’t often disagree with you but the optics of President Trump matching on the Capitol at the head of his supporters would have been the ultimate wet dream for media both in the US and around the world.
There may be socks involved, but no puppetry: I am not anyone who comments here regularly. Just a casual observer, a quiet daily reader of this blog.
For whatever it is worth (undoubtedly little), I am a conservative of the English tradition, and I find the current hysteria over the Capitol incident, the impeachment et cetera very concerning. More evidence of widespread decay in Western civilisation.
As to being driven off the internet, it is something that I have been concerned about for a long time and thought about deeply. Identity, verifiability, resilience to censorship. I would encourage people to look into public key cryptography and how it can be used to resist censorship and provide verifiable but pseudonymous communication.
My earlier comment was simply prompted by the desire to not see this excellent blog become an echo chamber, I value the diverse and thoughtful views expressed in the comment section as much as the posts of the regular correspondents.
I have nothing against you, Null. As for NiV and Alsadius, i have said most of what i have to say in my previous comment. I don’t think it was unfairly harsh.
(But i do tend to be unfairly harsh, unfortunately. I’ll try to do better this year.)
Maybe, the simple mechanics of how fraud may have been accomplished makes it something that isn’t and never was going to be exposed. We’re back to that “throw the undifferentiated slips into the drum, and you’ll never identify a single slip later” problem. The fraud was accomplished, effectively, on the day the election laws were changed.
And so maybe Trump sees that long-term outrage and anger must be sustained in order for any long-term change to occur. Otherwise, the establishment GOP – the GOPe – may have quieted and quelled and redirected that anger for their own purposes.
And he does seem to have helped to foster that outrage and anger. (I have sort of learned not to second-guess Trump. He may be inscrutable at times, but he’s also deviously smart.)
BTW i’d very much like to hear Nullius’ opinions about the election, and related matters.
BTW i’d very much like to hear Nullius’ opinions about the election, and related matters.
As long as he can keep it down to less than 4 paragraphs of course; Nullius being a bit of a windbag.
The shrieking hysteria whipped up by the Fake News Media over this “Insurrection” is not only being used as a pretext to impeach Trump, it is also being used to Stamp Out Dissent across all social media platforms and will likely be used in the future (months or years from now) as a key reason to go after the 2A (Second Amendment).
And you thought Reichstag Fire tactics are a thing of the past?
OMG THIS IS GOLD.
Yes, I remember GBH. It was broadcast here in Australia. I thought it was cynical about both sides, actually. I remember Lindsay, but what part did Palin play?
John B,
The police did what their superiors told them to do. If you go up and up the chain you eventually will find politicians.
The Democrats, the Republicans, Trump, McConnell, the lobbyists, the special interests, the federal bureaucracy, the Fake News Media, everyone wanted this to happen. So it happened.
To ensure there was violence.
I think it was a mix of both – design and accident. I believe that there were certainly lots of Trump supporters in attendance. But there have also been some Reichstag Fire vibes.
Nicholas,
Palin was the Headmaster.
I agree about the cynicism towards both sides. It was the agent provocateur character that brought it to my mind in the light of current events.
Well on the plus side we can ‘look forward’ to 4 grim years of relentless media mockery of an elderly US President as senile, perhaps Spitting Image will revive the running gag of ’The President’s Brain is Missing‘?
🙂 Sometimes he is quite brief.
Even when he isn’t, one doesn’t need to read everything to see where he is going, which is not always the case for long-winded writers.
Incidentally, are there estimates for the number of ‘true rioters’, i.e. people who entered secure areas of the Capitol?
You are mistaken Mr Ed.
K. Harris will be President within a year.
And to oppose her will be “racist” and “sexist” – it will be an offense punishable by being driven from your job, and being endlessly persecuted.
Although even “President Harris” will not be charge – the lady will simply be pushing the agenda of the international establishment, the totalitarian agenda of the international establishment.
It must be my refusal to become a mindless husk which causes the Guardian to ban me from commenting every 3 months or so.