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Not exactly a meeting of minds

Observed in a certain invitation-only chat room a few weeks ago:

Person 1: “So who’s going to Pride march tomorrow?”

Person 2: “Yeah probably. Good place to pick up chicks LOL”

Samizdatista: “Nah.”

Person 1: “I though you were some kinda libertarian or something.”

Samizdatista: “Or something.”

Person 1: “LOL. You don’t like gays?”

Samizdatista: “I could not care less who people fuck. None of my business.”

Person 1: “Then why not support people’s rights?”

Samizdatista: “Being homosexual not illegal in western world, so what rights you talking about?”

Person 1: “Right not to be discriminated against by people.”

Samizdatista: “I am great supporter right to free association, that’s something worth marching for as various laws deny that right.”

Person 1: “So you’re ok with discrimination?”

Samizdatista: “By state? Hell no. By private people and companies that don’t take state money? That is what free association means.”

Person 1: “How can anyone support discrimination?”

Samizdatista: “I fully support your right to /block me, what with me being all in for free association. Please.”

Person 1: “Why not go just to show your support?”

Samizdatista: “I do not condemn homosexuals for doing what they legally do, because I could not care less who people fuck. I also do not express support for homosexuals for doing what they legally do, because I could not care less who people fuck.”

Person 1: “Everyone I know’s going.”

Person 2: “Grammar crime detected! Report for re-education!”

Person 1: “What?”

Person 2: “Hardly anyone I know is going. Target rich environment for babes.”

Person 1: “It says a lot about someone if they stay away.”

Samizdatista: “In my case it says I could not care less about who other people fuck. With that in mind, if you decide to go fuck yourself, I am totally ok with that too.”

Person 2: “This thread will not end well.”

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25 comments to Not exactly a meeting of minds

  • Laird

    I liked that last sentence!

  • Chip

    Gay rights morphed from fighting state persecution to demanding state persecution that I didn’t have time to dry my hair.

    The irony is that whereas I find my gay friends kind of interesting because they used to lead somewhat subversive lives, my kids think the LGBT club at school is as thoroughly boring as the chess or civics clubs.

    Progress, I guess.

  • Ferox

    Remember the statists ruleset:

    1) To not demand a thing is to forbid it.
    2) To not forbid a thing is to demand it.

    Or to quote T.H. White’s fascist ants – “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.”

  • Julie near Chicago

    S.I.: What an excellent posting! Reminds us inscrutable and incomprehensible Samizdatistas just how incomprehensible and entirely not scrutable we are.

    *applause* 😥 😆

  • Paul Marks

    People “discriminate” all the time – and to call someone “a discriminating person” used to be a complement. To “discriminate” means to CHOOSE – freedom of choice is a fundamental right, indeed it is the basis of all freedom rights.

    If a shop keeping does not want fat middle aged men in his shop (say people by the name of Paul Marks) that is his business – quite literally.

    “Jim Crow laws” were wrong because they violated Freedom of Association – and “anti discrimination laws” are wrong for EXACTLY THE SAME REASON.

  • Confused ’Old Misfit

    You may “care less about who other people fuck.” now, but you will be made to care in the future!

  • Phil B

    Person 1: “Everyone I know’s going.”

    And if this was Germany between 1933 and 1945, we would all be saying that everyone I know simply knows that Jews are untermensch, use the blood of Christian children to bake their bread and are the enemies of everything that is decent because THAT was the politically correct thing to say at that time and in that place.

    It doesn’t make it right.

  • the other rob

    You know who else cares who other people fuck? The same people who set off that bomb in Parsons Green, that’s who.

    Though I’ve never understood their calculus. Any guy with a boyfriend gets thrown off a roof, but the Chief of Police gets to rape 10 year old boys with gay (sorry) abandon and nothing is said. It’s almost as if the real sin, to them, is liking who you fuck.

  • Though I’ve never understood their calculus. Any guy with a boyfriend gets thrown off a roof, but the Chief of Police gets to rape 10 year old boys with gay (sorry) abandon and nothing is said. It’s almost as if the real sin, to them, is liking who you fuck.

    As the acting Iraqi Police Chief said “If they don’t fuck the asses of these boys, what should they fuck? The pussies of their own grandmothers?

    This Is What Winning Looks Like (55:39 / 1:29:10)

  • . It’s almost as if the real sin, to them, is liking who you fuck.

    Their ideology bans so many enjoyable things it’s hardly any wonder they are all so angry.

  • Person 1: “Everyone I know’s going.”

    A revealing remark. 🙂

    I am glad to say that when I take a public political position, not everyone I know goes, agrees, echoes me, or whatever. I know people who actually disagree with me, and others who don’t agree with me as much as I do.

    The quality of my thought is thereby much improved.

  • So as a matter of curiosity, *did* the thread end well? o_O

  • Fraser Orr

    Niall Kilmartin
    > I am glad to say that when I take a public political position, not everyone I know goes, agrees, echoes me, or whatever.

    For me, my experience is that any political position I take NOBODY I know agrees with me. So I tend to shut up, because I like to have friends. Maybe I need different friends.

    Which brings me to the big unanswered question of this thread… is a demo a good place to pick up chicks or not? Anyone got any experience on that question?

  • Alisa

    Fraser, speaking from others’ experience: it would depend on the kind of chick one is looking for.

  • Samizdata Illuminatus

    is a demo a good place to pick up chicks or not?

    Person 2, who is far more radically libertarian that I am actually, said yes, it was an excellent place to pick up chicks. When I asked Person 2 if the fact they are most assuredly not a bleeding heart leftie might be a problem, the answer was “I never talk politics to people I pick up at demos, concerts or bars. They just assume I agree with them and I really don’t care what they think.”

    Well, you did ask 😆

    BTW, I edited this comment as I got shouted at for not quoting them accurately 😛

  • Fraser Orr

    So, @SI, to @Alisa’s point, perhaps a place to find some pink haired, hemp bag carrying, pot smoking lady with whom sort term solace might be found, but perhaps not the place to find the future mother of your children?

  • Samizdata Illuminatus

    I think you have it nailed, Fraser 😆

  • Alisa

    I think you have it nailed, Fraser 😆

    Seconded 🙂

  • Alisa

    pink haired, hemp bag carrying, pot smoking lady with whom sort term solace might be found

    I would advise against assuming her gender though :mrgreen:

  • the other rob

    I would use the term “it”, rather than “her”.

    That’s not me being PC, rather its me being grateful that I’m safely married and have had no reason to delve into the clusterfuck that is modern dating for longer than I care to remember.

  • Julie near Chicago

    t-o-r,

    Heh. :>))

    .

    Alisa, good point. :>))

    .

    Great, now you two have given me the giggles.LOL

  • Laird

    Alisa, you owe me a new keyboard! 😆

    As to “sort term solace”, it calls to mind Groucho Marx’s comment: “A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.”

  • Pat McCann

    Laird, ask Bill Clinton about the cigar….. but then Groucho (one of my favorites) didn’t know the Clintons, lucky him!

  • Thailover

    “The right to not be discriminated against”

    spoken (written) by a person who hasn’t a clue what rights actually are.

    Negative rights (there are actually no other kind) are Liberties, i.e. the right to act, and their only limitation is that one cannot have the right to violate the rights of others.

    That isn’t because, hey, that’s a nice place to limit Liberties, but rather it’s because the alleged right to violate the rights of others would abrogate ALL rights, (which are universally applicable), even the alleged right to violate rights. That is, the “right to violate rights” is a self-negating contradiction, and all contradictions are logically false.

    We ALL discriminate and that’s a good thing. I don’t eat poison, I eat food. I don’t wear banana leaves, I wear clothing. I don’t choose your sex partner, you do, and hopefully you discriminate in that area as well, and your choosy criteria is more than “warm blooded”, “has a pulse”.

    But alas, discrimination requires a thinking, critical mind, and a thinking critical mind cannot grow in a “safe space” where opposing opinions have been censored out of existence. The collectivist Left has no interest in a well-functioning mind, rather they want your obedience and your faith. Faith is the surrendering of the critical mind. Faith fosters dependence, and dependence means to be controlled.