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Guidance on differing cultural norms

Here’s a topical joke from The Ministry of Wit:

In case the link disappears, it says “Co-pilots must not stab the pilot. This is called assault.” It is parodying a Home Office leaflet called “Understanding behaviours and expectations in the UK: a guide for asylum seekers” (non-illustrated version here), which helpfully explains on page 5 that “In the UK, both people must say ‘yes’ to sex. This is called consent.”

To be fair to the Home Office, given that the top ten countries from which asylum seekers come are, in order, Eritrea, Sudan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran, Ethiopia, Iraq, Syria, Turkey* and Vietnam, there is a need to educate many men from the first eight of these countries that in the UK women have the legal right to refuse sex. In those eight countries marital rape is not a crime. The furore about the leaflets was because they reveal that the government knows damn well that education on sexual consent is particularly necessary for men from Muslim countries. It just doesn’t want to say so because the official ideology is that all cultures are equal. There is an ongoing legal case concerning the government’s reluctance to reveal crime figures analysed by nationality of offender.

It came after the Centre for Migration Control (CMC), a think tank, asked the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) to reveal the total number of convictions broken down by nationality and offences for the seven years under freedom of information laws.

The MoJ initially refused, saying that to gather the data would be too expensive and that publishing the information could lead to the identification of individuals in breach of their rights to privacy.

Both arguments were rejected by the information watchdog. However, The Telegraph revealed last month that David Lammy, then justice secretary, sanctioned legal action seeking to overturn this ruling.

Opposition parties claimed the MoJ’s actions amounted to a “cover-up”.

One of the first political demonstrations I ever attended, over forty years ago, was in defence of refugees and asylum seekers. I still have great sympathy for those who seek freedom from oppression, such as Iranian Christians fleeing the Islamic Republic, and for the genuinely moderate Muslims – the almost comical over-use of that phrase does not mean they do not exist. But the current UK asylum regime is an illustration of the old medical saying that “the dose makes the poison.”

*My auto-correct tried to change “Turkey” to “Türkiye”. No.

5 comments to Guidance on differing cultural norms

  • bobby b

    Does anyone really believe that there are sexually mature men in the world – in the history of the world – that do not know that raping 12-year-old girls over whom one has power is morally wrong?

    These men do not lack this knowledge. What they lack is a sense that they cannot get away with it. In their home countries, they could do this to non-muslim girls because they had the tribal power to commit any scummy act they could think up. They were empowered by their society to be shits. They know they are shits when they do this.

    Instead of waking these guys up to this reality in England by, I don’t know, maybe enforcing the law, they make up pretty pamphlets.

    No one needs these pamphlets to know they are doing something bad. What they really need is to see some heads rolling when someone does these things.

    It seems that that is not going to happen.

    They need quick and strong punishment when they are caught. And, those English judges who let them off because “their home culture led them to believe that this was okay” need stronger punishment.

  • Paul Marks

    The establishment know these foreign men (including the foreign men born-in-this-country – for there is little assimilation in-the-important-things over the generations – “assimilation” does happen but it is in things of trivial importance – such as “let us go white water rafting – as a team building exercise”, sounds very Western – till one understands that the “team building exercise” was to prepare a group of men for Islamic suicide bombing of London busses and tube trains – the 7/7 attacks) have a different set of principles – hence such leaflets as the anti rape leaflets, yet if anyone points this out the establishment screams “Racist!” and “Islamophobe!” and has the person driven from their job – and punished in other ways.

    It is like Plato understanding that the planets in the sky moves, and saying (in his work “The Republic”) that for the purposes of navigation this should be taken into account, but (at the same time) saying that his ideal state should teach that the planets did NOT move – George Orwell (Eric Blair) called this sort of thing “Double Think” – to believe (and act on) two contradictory things – at-the-same-time. The British state, and many other Western governments (although not all of them) are based upon “Double Think”. The international establishment is based upon “Double Think”.

    bobby b – you hit on a very important debate in moral philosophy.

    Some people (including both you and myself) hold that “deep down” such people as the Islamic Rape Gang members know what they are doing is morally wrong – regardless of what the Koran and the Hadiths say, and what the personal practices of Muhammed were. But other people hold that different moral priniples are sincerely held – that, for example, when Islamic fighters use children (including their own children) as human shields – they do not believe (sincerly do not believe) they are doing anything morally wrong.

    Debates on this matter can get quite heated – as it is difficult to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) either way.

  • Johnathan Pearce (London)

    On Facebook, I saw people claiming that the fact that there were pilots as passengers able to safely land the aircraft proved that what happened was an Israeli conspiracy.

    What are people to think at this point about the ways that conspiracies about Israel and Jews mutate? This is psychosis, a form of sickness that appears to be a feature of human nature that might even have roots in evolution. We were evolved to be like this, to be as fucking mental as this, in some way? What could be the adaptation advantage, from a Darwinian POV, from this sort of craziness?

  • Anon

    @JP

    Some sort of ingroup-outgroup thing probably. Conspiracy theories are mostly whacko, but the most pernicious ones tend to be the ones that have just enough grounding in truth to sound plausible. The human brain is attuned to finding ways to explain what’s going on in the world around it. These ways do not always make sense upon rational examination, but the heuristics might still be useful enough to be adaptive. Conspiracy theories seem to be a form of “motivated pareidolia” – seeing something that’s not there, while assuming the worst for your outgroup. Shared conspiracy theories are also a form of ingroup bonding.

  • Paul Marks

    Johnathan Pearce and Anon.

    It is indeed not just an obsession with “the Jews” – although, yes, that is part of it.

    Tucker Carlson (and others) will say that the atomic bomb was not invented by human beings – that it was created by demons and given to humans. And they will viciously attack historians (such as Victor Davis Hanson) who try and reason with them.

    They will also say that a demon attacked them in their sleep – and will, again, viciously attack anyone who tries to explain to them that this-was-a-dream (it did not really happen).

    Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and others have gone mad.

    And I mean that in a literal sense – the pressure they were under (and it was intense – I admit that, and I have sympathy for their suffering) has sent them insane.

    Their connections to the Vice President (NOT to President Trump – who has rejected their ravings, their connections to Vice President Vance) are deeply concerning.

    Either the Vice President (again the VICE President – the much attacked “Trump” has rejected all of this stuff and disowned Mr Carlson and co) is an incredibly cynical man – who wants the support of people he knows to be crazy (literally crazy – in the mental health sense) or, worse, he believes, or partly believes, their ravings.

    J.D. Vance why are you indulging mentally ill people? Why are you not urging them to get the medical treatment (care) they desperately need?

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