Tony Blair seems to be trying to make it into that dark pantheon of truly dire British Prime Ministers of the last one hundred years. Although given the procession of craven toadies who make up that list, that is really quite a task he has set himself, he is showing considerable promise of being a real contender.
Still, he has quite a way to go yet. He may have just given away £8.2 BILLION of British taxpayers money in return for nothing whatsoever… and it is nothing as all he got in return was a promise from the weak and politically toothless French government to review their huge farm subsidies in return for the UK actually giving up a huge chunk of money (yes, seriously, the French gave up a promise to do nothing more than review how much they get from the EU)… but he is still in the shadows of those who went before him.
Of course, Blair is minor league in his endless pursuit of surrendering British interests compared to such luminaries as Neville Chamberlain (he after all gave away Czechoslovakia, rather than a few billion quid, in return for another European leader’s empty promises), Ted Heath (The Three Day Week and First Great Betrayal to Europe) and the evil twins of Harold Wilson/James Callaghan (joint award for the astounding destruction of British liberty and economy via wholesale nationalisation),. As in all things, Blair is just… lacking… compared to these guys. But he sure shows willing, you got to say that.
In truth, this may well be a good thing in the long run as it brings that day of some sort of ‘Glorious Revolution’ closer, and for all you history buffs out there, no I do not mean a Dutch backed coup d’etat, I am thinking more along the lines of what Thatcher just hinted at. Let the enemy class squeeze harder and harder and until the nation that constantly votes them into power starts to choke on its entirely democratic stupidity.
You are too hard on Blair all he ever wanted was to be the lead guitarist in a rock group,even rhythm guitar with Staus Quo would have done….but that wasn’t enough for her Cherieship…it had to be virtual prime minister.
BTW It is rumoured that Jacques also sold him a timeshare flat in the South of France,the Blairs have the 26th to the 30 of December.
He wanted a legacy. It looks like he has one, now.
W. Hague said it best:
My view on the Blair surrender? For once I’m completely speechless.
He makes me ill. 8 billion, thats three aircraft carriers, roughly, and I know what I’d rather it was spent on.
Serious money.
We need to be shot of this scumbag asap.
I was spitting chips when I saw the news last night, although it was predictable and predicted.
Now I want to know why. Genuinely. He wouldn’t do it for no reason at all. So why has he done it?
The legacy argument? Perhaps. …
Are we the ones who are deluded?
I still reckon Edward Heath was the most evil PM, though Phoney is trying hard.
We need to leave the EU as a matter of urgency.
Wow – 6 comments in the 30seconds I spent putting up one on another thread. This really seems to have touched a nerve. Do you think it did with the general population in Britain, or am I just getting my hopes up based on spending too much time with like-minded Libertarians?
What better legacy than President Blair…..there is nothing of Britain Blair would not sacrifice on the altar of his ego,nothing.
This is a re-run of the “Carpetbaggers”.
This is truly stunning. He agreed to leave CAP running for another 8 years, with only the possibility of it being reduced then?
No doubt this sentence should have concluded “…without France, which is the only way progress ever happens.”
How the French continue to be so damn self-righteous in the face of their own moral turpidude and hypocrisy continues to elude me. Schizophrenia, I suppose …
Well, I hope integration with East Europe (over and above what simple free trade agreements and low barriers to immigration would grant) is worth the price of a US aircraft carrier ($5 bn), F-16 squadron ($1.25 bn for 24), and an AEGIS cruiser or two as escort ($1 bn each).
Joshua,there is nothing wrong in spending time with like minded libertines.
Joshua – “Do you think it did with the general population in Britain, or am I just getting my hopes up based on spending too much time with like-minded Libertarians?”
Hence my latter question.
It occurs to me that between 1939 and 1945 we were nobly prepared to bankrupt ourselves to try and help Poland avoid a monstrous tyranny.
Now, we pay Poland to help it join the smothering coerciveness of the EU. Abortion aside, the EU authorities have not yet tried to exterminate millions, but the extent of its control over our lives would have left the average Gauleiter speechless with admiration. If we were noble in 1939, what are we now?
Well, I often check over the bbc news ‘have your say’ page, just to try and get a (pretty biased, for sure, but better than nothing) feel for how people are thinking and reacting. Normally it’s pretty depressing, but on this the fix is well and truly in: if you punch ‘sort by number of approvals’ (to display the most voted-for posts first) the first 4 pages contain nothing other than ‘what the fuck did he just do?’
That about sums up my opinion too: I just have _no_ idea what he thinks he’s gained, apart from ‘statesmanship,’ or ‘respect in europe’ and if he seriously believes any of that, he’s a bigger dope than I took him for.
Oh Blair has gained something…he has shafted Browns budget.
Yes, there is nothing, absolutely no corner of Britain, that Blair wouldn’t sacrifice on the altar of his ego. That was the idea behind slaughtering millions of cows. To kill of British agriculture for his European masters who have promised him the non-elected non-presidency of a non-country. I absolutely cannot wait until they double cross him. I’m going to open a bottle of champers and drink it straight out of the bottle.
Heath was a wicked man, I agree, Johnathan. But I think Blair supercedes him in spades for chilling evil. Sixty million people being sold down the drain for Tony’s ego. Imelda, too. The sense of entitlement in these two beggars belief. The first time I ever saw him on TV, I sensed a malevolent spirit – bonkers as that sounds.
some rough calculations I made on my blog using The Case for Mars says that for the money Blair just threw away you can get all the hardware needed to explore the red planet developed, and two missions, and some change left over. This is just from the extra money that we are putting into the EU. Oh when can we leave?
Robber baron.
What a shame Bliar can’t be impeached for treason.
For once, I agree with Johnathan Pearce, that he is still second to the traitor Heath, who lied us into the EEC in the first place. But both heads should be on London Bridge, side by side, as a warning to others who would plot against their own countrymen and women.
Over on the EUReferendum blog, Dr. Richard North has been setting out in chilling detail how a deal between Blair and Chirac in 1998 over defence “integration” has just resulted in a deal to close the last munitions factory in Britain and shift the product to…France.
Many commentators interpreted that as a way of Blair apologising to Chirac that Britain wouldn’t be abolishing the pound sterling and adopting the euro.
Somebody commented the other day that the last British institution to be gutted by Blair would be our defence. Looks like he’s attended to that one as well.
I’ve got it!
I’ve been puzzled ever since the capitulation just what Blair is up to.
A desire to help the former eastern block EU countries? Nah, that makes no sense, why should he give a toss about them.
A love of the European project? Nah, that’s for starry eyed dreamers and he’s too cynical for that.
Bumbling incompetence? This one caused me more thought, but nah, it appeared to be a straight forward situation. Rebate non-negotiable take it or leave it. Upside, the Fench would eventually give way. Downside, we continue with last years budget and the next country with the presidency gets to worry about the problem.
And then it came to me. Chirac is the key. We have been lead to believe over the last year or so that Blair and Chirac hate each other, but Chirac has just been handed victory in his upcoming presidential elections as the good guy who humiliated the British. Blair has obviously done a deal. As I type this, I suspect that Blair is already writing his acceptance speech for the permanent European presidency.
This may not be as bad as it seems. Anyone anti-EU should welcome the possibility that the success of the European project might be in the hands of a politician who has an exemplory track record of failure.
I suspect that one of the main drivers behind Blair’s whole approach is the desire to maintain the contrast between “new Labour” and the dark days of old Labour under Michael Foot, during which the Labour party was in favour of leaving the EC.
When Labour “modernised”, one of the first “extreme” policies to be ditched was its anti-EC stance.
This was made easier for the party to warm to when former EC president Jacques Delors told the Labour party and the TUC that the EC was there, effectively, to undo all of Thatcher’s work.
Also, Blair was desperate during the mid-90s to style himself as pro-EU, to contrast himself from the Conservatives who were viewed as ineffectually hostile.
To be obstructive now would be to admit that his former position was naive.
So, apart from all the other very valid reasons given, I think that it’s Blair’s pride and his inability to admit that he was wrong all along about the EU that is one of the major reasons for his capitulation.
Who was it who said that a nation gets the goverment it deserves? Who is really surprized?
You beat me to it John East. That is my conclusion also.
JT writes:
“… the dark days of old Labour under Michael Foot, during which the Labour party was in favour of leaving the EC.”
As, indeed, was Bliar. Which, if nothing else, shows the length, depth and profundity of his belief in the EU.
What a toxic little man he is.
This is a truly spineless decision, taken by a man who sees his legacy as a EU president as more important than his responsibility as elected UK PM. That money could have gone directly to poor EU countries, with decisions controlled by the UK – or it could have been spent on the services UK people need to improve their lives. I have just had my application for relief for my 2nd child refused by the UK govt on the grounds that I applied 1 month out of time – presumably those funds may now go to some Gallic twat doing nothing much on his lands in France. I have a 21% increase in council tax – this could have been reduced by some 17% if these idiots at Westminster had fought for the rebate. Of course, they did not and dont care. They are not worthy of our votes.
I lived in France for 5 years. I would not mind a CAP if the money was going to agricultural sector members who also seek to innovate and make their production more efficient and less costly. However the french govt require nothing of the kind under the tiresome ‘l’exception francaise’ banner. The result is that French landowners are buying brand new machinery and claiming tax relief on ‘golf rustique’ – 9-18 hole dig tracks that allow them to buy machinery, claim taxation relief and even taxation credits. It’s a massive scam and Blair knows it, yet he is permitting it to keep happening on the UK taxpayer’s bill. This pathetic nation, France, have nothing much to offer the world – except moaning – and yet we now find ourselves funding their uselessness.
Blair has buried himself and Brown, as well as Labour, with this awful deal. He can fuck off as far as I am concerned. For the first time ever I will be voting Tory.
Yes, it was always obvious, from day one, that Bliar was using our country as a vaulting pole to the (appointed – they’re so-o-o democratic in the EUSSR, dontcha know) presidency of Europe.
Everything he has done since he slithered under the door of No 10 has been driven by his sickening, tumourous ego.
Anyone who believed that there was a rift between those two old hams Bliar and Chirac probably watches cartoons – and thinks they’re funny. The whole act (Chirac: “I’ve never been spoken to like that in my life!” Oh, pulleeeeze, we do know a little something about Mme Chirac.) All these staged fights were so infantile – with the impression dutifully reported in the British press that Bliar had outraged the French with his direct speaking. Give me a break. You could hear them giggling over the lines, as they wrote them.
It’s been a nine year set-up. Thank the naive idiots who voted him back into office not once, but twice. How unperceptive do you have to be?
Ted,
I empathise with your anger, but your very last point,
For the first time ever I will be voting Tory.
…must have been a mistake? I was a Tory until a few days ago, but you must have seen the news, under Cameron, “We’re all Libdems now”
John East – Aaaaargggghhhh! No! Did Cameron really say that? Even to get Lib-Dem votes and zap Za-NuLab, this is a bridge too far. He is simply horrible. He gives me the creeps in the same way that Tone gives me the creeps. Mr Creepy.
I have a horrible feeling that he may actually believe that is true. He’s a greenie. He wants 50% of Tory MPs to be women, regardless of their quality and regardless of the quality of the males trashed by the quota system. He probably wants a creche in the Houses of Parliament. He has a disabled kid he’s exploited – awwwww – like the voters give a crap. He has a pregnant wife, just like Bliar did when he slithered in the second time. Awwwww. I mean, do they honestly believe the voter thinks it’s all about them (the leaders) and how wonderful and interesting their lives are? I suppose the answer is, yes, they really believe the voter is more interested in the kind of car they drive (or bike the dreadful Cameron rides) than their own cars; the Bliars and the Camerons (who will never become the Hatfields and McCoys) as families? Does any voter really base decisions on this trite tripe? Did anyone really vote for Bliar because he drove an Espace or whatever?
I despair. I really do. I thought one day, when Bliar was history, I could come home, but now he’s going to live on through Cameron.
Interesting that once again, all the contenders are Scottish. Cameron’s a Scottish name.
Not that Blair cares but this is going to put even more in the eurorealist/sceptic camp. This will also make it hard for Cameron to back out of his EPP withdrawl promise and it will probably make sure the Tories don’t wobble on Europe.
“50% of Tory MPs to be women, regardless of their quality and regardless of the quality of the males trashed by the quota system. He probably wants a creche in the Houses of Parliament. He has a disabled kid he’s exploited – awwwww – like the voters give a crap. He has a pregnant wife, just like Bliar did when he slithered in the second time. ”
Does that mean cameron is goint to insist that they have the operation or is he going to boot some out?
You have to admit though Verity that Tone getting his wife pregnant was way and above the call of duty.
When I read you good folk bringing up a disabled kid to make a point…… my decision to leave the awful Septic Isle more than 30 years ago is confirmed; in spades. I was going to ask if there was no shame left but the question is clearly superfluous.
Has anyone told Gordon about all this money going walkies for even less result than he has already put it to?
He will not be pleased!
When Chirac rings up in a few months wanting to know where thew money is, No 11 is going to say the cheques in the post.
Perhaps this will wake the British public to the Emperors new clothes of the whole European Union con. But I doubt it.
Heh! How glad I am that my heard earned cash is going straight to the Isle of Man and does not end up in either Gordon Brown’s pocket or France.
Permanent expat – what an entertaining comment! We of this parish did not “bring in the disabled kid”. That was done by the father himself, in many magazine articles. Maybe it was a cry for help.
You further say: I was going to ask if there was no shame left but the question is clearly superfluous.
I agree with you, sir! David Cameron should be ashamed and stop trying to get publicity through his disabled child! Many people find it revolting. He should try to win on his platform’s and his party’s account, not because he has this disabled kid who is of no consequence to the governance of Britain. He should not have thrown this kid into the political fray.
permanent expat writes:
“When I read you good folk bringing up a disabled kid to make a point…… my decision to leave the awful Septic Isle more than 30 years ago is confirmed; in spades. I was going to ask if there was no shame left but the question is clearly superfluous.”
Idiot. It was Cameron and his spin doctors who decided to exploit his disabled child. Had they not done so, how would any of us know he had one?
When I read Verity and G.Cooper it puzzles me why anybody in the UK should have got the impression that the Tories are the nasty party?
It pains me greatly that these former supporters will not be voting for a David Cameron led Conservative Party at the next election.
Maybe Gordon Brown can be defeated if the Conservative Party were to employ them as press officers?
Cynical analysis: he’s looking to curry favour with his future employers; he no longer has any electoral incentive to care about voters.
Less cyncical analysis. He thinks it’s “the best deal on offer”, and is ideologically unable to countenance walking out with no deal. Since the French have no such scruples Chirac was easily able to call his bluff.
Sorry Verity
I don’t get it? Why be down on Cameron over his kid? No politician since Teddy Roosevelt has been able to keep his kids and their activities out of the media spotlight.
When I read Verity and G.Cooper it puzzles me why anybody in the UK should have got the impression that the Tories are the nasty party?
No offence, but why was there a question mark at the end of this declarative sentence?
A genuine interrogative: Why do you think I’m a Tory?
I’m not.
Why would you imagine that Teresa May would speak for me? (See, that was an interrogative as well. Keep reading and you may catch on.)
First, I’m not a Tory and second, I couldn’t support them with a vote as long as Teresa May was in the shadow cabinet. She’s everything I find revolting in female politicians. She even has a repulsive face – which sounds cruel, I realise, but she’s in politics and that’s how it works. But she’s a judgemental little bossy boots – or kitten heels – oh, barf. I’ve never read of one thing she has offered … one thought that she has had other than to trash her own party. Why she is in the cabinet is down to Wossname- the Blair clone. She’s a “Tory” Tessa Jowell. A zero.
‘When I read Verity and G.Cooper it puzzles me why anybody in the UK should have got the impression that the Tories are the nasty party?’
The question of course is rhetorical.
‘…these former supporters will not be voting for a David Cameron led Conservative Party at the next election.’
This of course is speculative.
I made the assumption that you have voted for the Conservative Party because you have expressed your admiration for Margaret Thatcher.
Margaret Thatcher was the leader of the Conservative Party from 1975 to 1990.
Perry underestimates Blair. Though he is not exactly in the same league as Chamberlain or even Heath, I think he is doing quite well toward surpassing Harold Wilson and James Callaghan. Whether we’re talking about repeated abject surrenders to the EU or the destruction of civil liberties at home, Blair is well on his way to joining that great pantheon of British PMs who dedicated their terms in office to ruining their country.
The problem is that Blair is “malleable.” Whatever one thinks about the Iraq War (and I supported it), he was probably pulled into it by US determination to go to war. Since President Bush could not be talked out of it, he got dragged along the way. Similarly, since the French won’t budge, Blair gravitated toward the stronger pole of influence. Such a result reflects the essential nullity that is “New Labour.”
A great country like Britain and spineless eels like Blair go ill together.
No he is certainly not in the same league as Chamberlain or Heath. Both those men were very well educated and intelligent beings – which makes their actions even more unpalatable. Harold Wilson was more in the Lloyd George class of Prime Minister i.e. corrupt as hell, only without the immense wit, charm and brilliant oratory skills that Lloyd George possessed. Blair is certainly none of those, and most certainly not the ‘New Churchill’ as the Millbank cokeaddicts like to refer to him as being. He has just two possible factors that show him as a politician – an unusually high level of animal cunning and a knack (if that’s the right word) to be able to mollify the press for the bare instant it takes for them to move on to another story.
John East, you give this Gramscian nightmare too much credit by suggesting he might want to do a deal with Chirac or with anyone else. Blair does not possess the ablity to ‘deal’ with anyone but himself or Cherie – his ego will not let him do so. Rather he handed back the so hard earned rebate purely as a kneejerk reaction to the snide remarks by the rest of Europe (bar Malta I notice with relief) that his 6 months presidency of Europe had not achieved a single thing, and Blair’s desperate need to be remembered for anything at all has led him to do this, again as an instant unthinking reaction.
To quote a certain Mr Campbell recently (on David Davis), “His ego is writing far too big a cheque for his political career to be able to cash”. In this case Blair’s ego has written a cheque out to Europe for £8.2bn of our money – I can only hope it bounces.
“Cough, splutter!” Bloody hell, Ted. I nearly dropped my bacon sarnie there. You mean it’s only now, December 2005, that the pfennig has dropped? Have you actualy drifted through life since 1 May 1997 thinking “Hmmmm yes, that Blair’s really not a bad Prime Minister at all. He’ll get my vote again.”
Really, how does that work?
What’s a pfennig Mr London? Surely you mean ‘eurocent’?
Yes, it’s truly monstrous – he was, after all elected to foster the interests of the UK, something he has spectacularly failed to do at any time.
As to why, it’s simple really.
Like all weak people he’s afraid of being in a minority or of being isolated. He’d call it ‘concensus politics’, everyone else would call it fear and lack of principle. He seeks the security blanket of the strength he doesn’t have (hence Iraq – to go in was correct, but not just to get a pat on the back from Bush) or numbers (in Europe). If he goes along with the overwhelming majority, well then – if it goes tits-up, as appears inevitable, he can spread the blame around. “We all thought it was the best deal,” he’ll whine, “it wasn’t just me.”
A lemming for a PM. What a disgrace.
Julian Taylor
I’m just looking ahead to what the Krauts will one day use again.
I used to assert that Tony Blair was the greatest liar and hypocrite to disgrace No. 10 since Lloyd George. But I think that may have been rather hard on Lloyd George.
Chris Goodman,
It pains me greatly that these former supporters will not be voting for a David Cameron led Conservative Party at the next election.
As a former Conservative member and voter, I could not in all fairness vote for a ‘Cameron led’ Party. The man is most definetly NOT a Conservative by any acceptable standard.
His public personae since being elected Leader has been utterly feeble and repulsive, (I use that word in its true meaning, i.e. a major turn-off), and if that is all that is required to get a ‘lift’ in the polls, then it bodes ill for the future.
Like so much of Europe, the differences between the various political parties is so small as to make little real difference to the voters, they all seem to be varieties of the same socialist weed.
Sorry to have to tell you – but they are still way out of touch with the ‘silent majority’, and what is even worse, – we just don’t care…
I see that the Tories have a nine point lead over Labour, according to MORI. The wheels really are coming off the NuLab project, whose only validation, ultimately, has been popularity. I know Cameron is hardly what anybody here would wish for, but if he does absolutely nothing else, at least he’ll have consigned NuLab to the rubbish bin of history where it belongs. As someone who wants government out of my wallet and out of my bedroom (not that much interesting ever happens there …), I have a little confidence, at least, that my tax bill will be lower at the end of a Cameron government than at the beginning.
By the way, I am reminded of the lines from Richard II:
“This England that was wont to conquer others
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,
How happy then were my ensuing death!”
PJ,
If only we did have a lower tax bill to look forward to, but that has historically not been the case, and I doubt that it will happen this time.
The Tories are adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
Chris Goodman writes:
“When I read Verity and G.Cooper it puzzles me why anybody in the UK should have got the impression that the Tories are the nasty party?
It pains me greatly that these former supporters will not be voting for a David Cameron led Conservative Party at the next election.”
And what (save for the pleasure you take in making facile remarks) is the point you are trying to establish – always assuming you actually have one?
It is a matter of distasteful fact that Cameron’s disabled child was dragged into the newspapers. It is also a matter of fact that Cameron has a slick PR team advising him. That the former event was managed by the latter jackals isn’t much of a stretch of the imagination, surely?
So who’s ‘nasty’ (to use that banal, nursery word)? The former PR man Cameron’s goons, or me for finding it pretty low to use a disabled child for career advancement?
But let’s leave the guessing games. Perhaps you’ll clamber down from your high horse and tell us just what it is you are objecting to?
And no, I shan’t be voting for this idiot and his party of Notting Hill airhead trustafarian eco-warriors, either.
This is a very interesting thread.
Cameron’s disabled child was not just in the newspapers, but before the leadership contest began in earnest, features about Cameron and this disabled child were appearing in lifestyle magazines.
What many gullible people have never grasped about Blair is, he and his wife are greedily ambitious for money and glory. Britain was only ever a stepping stone for Blair to go on to be the [unelected] head of state of the EU.
The reason we went to war in Iraq (and I was, and still am, pro the war) was not principle. Blair has no more interest in the welfare of the Iraqis than he does in that of the British. It was to elevate himself to best friend of the most powerful man in the world. To have his picture taken in the Rose Garden with the president. To get invited to the president’s ranch. To have to fly to DC urgently all the time.
President Bush can smell a parvenu a mile off and used Blair, although Blair would have thought the president was won over by his uncanny grasp of international politics. (Americans are so naive about the world. It takes a Tony Blair to explain it to them.) Canny trumps greed and the president is nothing if not canny. He and Donald Rumsfeld used Blair – partly because Blair was so eager to be used.
Blair has given away over £8bn of British taxpayers’ money to buy his way into the [unelected] presidency of the EU. He thinks. His own Airforce One for him and Her Cherieness to go to Barbados for the winter months. Brass bands playing the ludicrous EU “anthem” when he steps out onto a balcony. Etc.
I am betting it will not happen. People who are so eager are easy and entertaining to double cross. Given his dim wattage, I am amazed that he has even made it this far.
What do other commenters think? Will Tony Blair ever get his dream of being the [appointed, not elected] president of the EU?
Not really. The widespread nationalisations by Wilson/Callaghan were theft on an epic scale and a monstrous abridgement of civil liberties that Blair has yet to match.
Blair’s deal is incredibly turd-like on the face of it. John East and Verity must be right that he has done a deal over his future.
I say that, but deep down I know it’s wrong – he just gave the money away for bugger all in return. I’d much rather have seen that £8 billion contribute toward a re-invasion and re-occupation of France!
The main thing is Blair has blown an £8.2 billion hole in Brown’s budget, Prudence is pissed but Blair is ensuring his legacy as the LAST British Prime Minister.
Ron Brick – Do elaborate.
What I wouldn’t give to play a high stakes p0k3r* game with Tony Blair …
*thanks spambots!
Verity,
So many of Britains institutions have been hollowed out,Parliament is only a rubber stamp for Brussels legislation,if it doesn’t get rammed through by statutory instrument. Leaving onlt Mickey Mouse issue like Fox hunting to for MPs to decide.
The Tax harmonisation will happen,this is Blair he will say yes.
Blair has also seen to it that he is the last British Prime Minister to send an army to war,When we are fully integrated into the Rapid Surrender Force,there will be no more independent action…anyway the French and the Belgians won’t let us have the ammunition.
So with legislation.Taxation and military action taken from our hands the next “Prime Minister” will simply be the Governor of an off shore European province.
I’m afraid that Brown is like the wife who thought she would inherit,only to find he’s left it all to his mistress
Go on, dear readers, hold your hand up if you actually did vote for NuLabour at any point in the last eight lousy years.
Because if you did, this is what you got.
No point in complaining about it now though – the damage is done. Labour, in any shape or form, has always been the enemy of Britain and the British. I knew it ’97 and it seems a few people are beginning to realise it now.
Thank you,Steve, for confirming my opinion.
We’re already doing that, Mikey love-
Via building societies.
Steve wants people to raise their hands if they ever voted for Za-NuLab. The people who did vote for Blair (and they weren’t voting for the party, which is full of unattractive people; they were betting soley on Tone) deserves everything they got. The problem is, they took the whole country with them.
Can someone tell me please, does this lunatic decision have to be endorsed by Parliament, or can one man all by himself give away £8bn of other people’s money to foreigners?
I think both Steve and Ron Brick have it about right. The GBP is getting exactly what it deserve for voting this sad little megalomaniac into office. And that means an emasculated country, little more than a province of the Franco-German empire.
Steve does not understand that the majority did not vote for ZaNuLabor,that because of the West Lothian issue and the fact that it takes more MPs to elect a Tory than a ZaNuLabor MP it would take a large swing to get this lot out. Add to that the Lib Dems voting tactically and the creation of hundreds of public sector workers adn it is welcome to Blairbabwe.
GCooper – But that was always the plan. Advanced by stealth from day one. I haved to say, France and Germany are very sleazy. When we paid the Danegeld, at least the Danes braved the North Sea and came over and fought for it like men.
I think Saint Tone of Sedgefield has his ambitions on doing a “Kinnock” – i.e. getting both his trotters into the trough and becoming an EU commissioner. After his “retirement” and transfer to a much higher paying and less stressful job in Brussels, he’ll be firmy ensconced in the first class carriage of the gravy train.
You have to admit a mere £8Bn is a small price of other peoples money to pay for this job security. He has multiple expensive properties to pay for y’know.
I agree that as a traitor, he should be treat accordingly.
PhilB – I think he has his sights set much higher than a humble commissioner. And always has had. Britain was a stepping stone. He cares nothing for our country.
Amongst the vast array of people I despise none rank as highly as those now coming out of the woodwork – in ever greater numbers – claiming that they voted for Blair but now hate him. Excuse me, but get stuffed. What did they think they were ever going to get? Like poor old Ted further up:
Blair has tricked his way into Ted’s, battered him, done in the wife, raped the daughters, stolen his savings, smashed up what he couldn’t take and burned the place down. But that’s ok. No, it’s only when Blair kicks over a milk bottle on the way out that Ted’s pissed off.
Having been purposely loud and offensive about Blair since before he was PM, I’m confronted by ever greater numbers of people telling me how much they now really really really hate Blair. “Ohhh yes, he won’t get my vote again. Three times but no more.” They look at you like a simpering puppy looking for approval. It doesn’t occur to these wretched cretins that we are in the shit because of their ignorance. Eight seconds is good and plenty to have Blair sussed, eight years deserves nothing more than contempt. A pox upon every pathetic one of them.
GCooper rightly said that,
The GBP is getting exactly what it deserves for voting this sad little megalomaniac into office.
I’ve no way of knowing if this comment was referring to the innocent gullibility of our fellow citizens who fell for the con, or admonishing them for accepting the con and selfishly voting for their own short term interests above the interests of the nation and their grandchildren.
However, whilst we can perhaps excuse those of limited intellect, (and I was seduced to some extent in 1997, but at least I didn’t vote for him), and we can also excuse those with a lack of interest in politics who fell for Blair’s lies in earlier elections, I think that these excuses were wearing a bit thin in May this year when he won his third term.
We might have to accept that a large enough proportion of our society is now voting for their government hand outs and their government salaries. This would keep characters like Blair in business for ever.
Go to any of the ‘Costas’, and get to know a few of the ‘local British’ expats. Folk who openly brag of being ‘on the welfare’, all the while, owning a couple of Spanish villas – to rent to a few friends – you know!
They get their cheques sent to them, so they rarely have to return to their native sink estates. Life is grand…
So who says that socialism doesn’t work? given that one of its main aims is ‘wealth’ distribution, it would seem to be working fine for the newly wealthy ‘welfarians’.
Do you really think these folk give a monkeys backside about Tone buttering his toast on both sides? – he is one of them – and they see no wrong in, what they, – or he – is doing. For them, the good time are a rolling!
Meanwhile on the ‘Home Front’, ‘Two Jags’ prattles on about ‘class warfare’, and the battles still to be fought, good grief, he still thinks of himself as ‘working class’, – and you still think you can win an election? – do turkeys vote for Christmas?
The mess that this bunch of thieves has created is going to be too much for even an ‘Eton boy’ to clean up, the easy answer, the politically expedient answer, is going to be to quietly join the EU fold.
We are being presented with a fait accompli, our agriculture has virtually gone, likewise most of our manufacturing, our utility companies are mostly foreign owned, and anything else where we might earn an honest living has been ruined by EU red tape and bureacracy.
After we are totally bankrupt, the EU will seem to be the only alternative, and Britain will have finally found it’s true place as part of the French empire…
Me too, Pete_London. I despise them. They were complicit in their own subjugation. As you say, eight seconds should be enough for an adult of average intelligence to learn everything they needed to know about Mr Blair – and run a mile. Instead they believed the promises of a total stranger who said, “Trust me.”
He’s wrecked your pension plan? He’s degraded the gold standard GCEs into Mickey Mouse exams that don’t mean anything? He’s presided over a mind-boggling breakdown in civil order? He’s castrated the police? He’s sold you out to Europe? The NHS has hired even more managers with the extra tens of millions thrown at it by clowns and conmen who don’t know what they’re doing, but not opened new wards? Excuse me while I tick the I Don’t Care box.
It was all so predictable.
On the the subject of Three Homes Prescott
Ron said: “Steve does not understand that the majority did not vote for ZaNuLabor”
I think I do, but whatever the constituency boundaries I also think that enough people voted for him and his ilk at each election to ensure he won and thus could screw the country.
I would imagine we have all seen enough to suggest that Blair wouldn’t, if he chose to stay, get in again. My worry is that people think Gord will be better and all plump for the party with red-painted donkeys again.
Gord, remember folks, has to make up this imminent sudden shortfall in the nation’s revenue. You think maybe the the creative solution will be, er, more taxes?
To all who’ve commented here, what is the scenario over he next month, say? How soon will the Bliar’s support drop away like skin peeling off a leper? How much damage (other than what he has done to himself, and frankly, he doesn’t care; he’s already finished with Britain) will be done to him and how soon? Will The Grauniad pile in? How about the Beeb?
I would like it to be painful and humiliating. I want my Schadenfreude! But I suspect it will leave him untouched because his business here is finished anyway. Heigh ho! Onward and upward! Time, as he would say, to “move on”.
Verity wonders:
“Will The Grauniad pile in? How about the Beeb?”
I make it a principle not to offer hostages to fortune, so I’m not risking any predictions about how soon someone will slip the Dear Leader a pearl handled revolver and a mug of Horlicks.
But in response to your question above, perhaps even more telling than the antics of the Grauniad and the BBC is that I detected a really grumpy note in the Sunday Times today (to which I am a recent convert, thanks to Sarah Sands having turned the Sunday Telegraph into a (stupid) women’s magazine).
This suggests that Murdoch is getting restless – and that really would be the sign for the rest of the pack to stop snarling and start biting.
Make it soon, gods, make it soon!
Oh, goody! Champagne ready to go. Champagne here is horrendously expensive, but hell, this is the big one. Damn the torpedoes. Full bubbly ahead!
Agree about the Sunday Telegraph. Sarah Sands is a disaster. Yawneroo.
Now look,I’m a pretty straight sort of a guy and I can tell you this is a “Good Deal” for Britain,it has gained us many friends in Europe,helping to end the deadlock over the Constitution,a crowning achievement of Britains Presidency.
Many of you will say,selfishly,that you don’t give a stuff about bailing out the new members of the EU,that you would rather keep the money and waste it on feeding your children and the NHS or whatever.
I say this is shortsightedness in the face of the new challenges of globalisation,Europe must move foreward together meeting a new dawn of inclusiveness,narrow sectional interests cannot be allowed to stand in the way of the historic progress that Britain’s Presidency has brought.
It is true that much reform is required in certain areas of the EU,issues like the CAP.
I can tell you that my cordial meetings with the French President Jacques Chirac have borne fruit,I have here a piece of paper signed by the President guaranteeing to re-examine the whole issue of CAP at a future unspecified date.
This is good for Europe and good for Britain!
Tone will go one of two ways: If he isn’t awarded the [appointed, not elected] presidency of the EUSSR, he will open a EUSSR consultancy “firm” in DC, which will rake in the gravy, plus he’ll go on the after-dinner circuit hissing with unaffected charm about life at No 10 and life at the top. Well, toppish. Her Royal Cherieness will also hit the speaking trail. Those Americans old enough to remember early interviews with Paul McCartney and John Lennon may be able to understand her Scouse accent.
I wonder if Britain has ever had a more grasping pair living in No 10? They seem to have been abandoned by Alastair who is, of course, writing his own book from the extensive notes he wrote up every night while press officer at Downing St. If it gets trashed by Za-NuLab journalists, I will buy it at once and pay for shipment by FedEx.
When I read Verity and G.Cooper it puzzles me why anybody in the UK should have got the impression that the Tories are the nasty party?
Yeah thanks to Theresa “Give one-liners to Labour” May the party will forever be known for that. The fact she is still a Tory MP demonstrates how truly f***ed the Tory party is at the moment.
Couldn’t agree more, AID. Worse than the fact that she’s still a Tory MP, she’s a member of the shadow cabinet! Why?
I suspect that the Tories really do think that people want more women in government – which is not the case. We want more competent people in government and for thinking in big ideas and implementing large projects, testosterone seems to be a facilitator. Theresa May is a waste of space, as are all those great orators and achievers, Blair’s babes.
Cameron’s going to cheat some constituencies of very able men in order to fill a quota of women. If discrimination is illegal, it’s illegal.
Despite their criticism of this particular Bliar deal, my impression is that the exciting new Lib Dem v.2.0 Conservative Party of the bumfluff boys– Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Co– will be softer on the EU than Howard, and softer than if David Davis or Liam Fox had won.
At the same time the Cameroonies are ‘Atlanticist’ neocon twats of the Henry Jackson Society sort: hellbent in keeping up the ‘special relationship’ with the Demented States of Moronica and ensuring that we send our quota of squaddies to die for Halliburton, oil and Israel wherever Emperor George, the great tax-and-spend statist snoop, wants them.
Worst of all possible worlds, what? It seems that the Tories have finally given up on boring old conservative concepts such as the national interest, and are just as keen on globalising us into capitalist serfdom as NuLab.
High ho, high ho, it’s off to Griffin we go…
Matt, Dear Boy,
What a garbled lot of bollocks your post is,comprehensive shooling?