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The only surprise is that anyone is surprised

The EU Courts have just given themselves the power to impose European criminal laws, by which I mean to decide itself if an offence against an EU regulation is now a criminal matter, even against the wishes of an EU states own government and legal system. How anyone who is even a casual observer of the EU could not have predicted this was on the cards is a mystery to me.

So next time you hear someone tell you that the real power remains, and will always remain, at the national level, perhaps you might like to ask them if deciding if something is, or is not, a criminal matter is a core function of a state’s legislative and judicial structures.

If people like Tony Blair and Ken Clarke want to dismantle Britain and make it a European province, well would it not be better if they just said as much and argued why that was the best course of action?

But Foreign Office sources said that, although the judgment raised the possibility of Britain having to create new criminal offences against the wishes of the Government, in practice EU member states would never agree to such a loss of sovereignty.

Any time you hear ‘Foreign Office sources’ say something will not happen ‘in practice’, of course that means the opposite is usually true. I expect within 18 months or so Britain will indeed be enacting criminal legislation imposed by European Courts on a regular basis.

55 comments to The only surprise is that anyone is surprised

  • Pete_London

    So next time you hear someone tell you that the real power remains, and will always remain, at the national level, perhaps you might like to ask them if deciding if something is, or is not, a criminal matter is a core function of a state’s legislative and judicial structures.


    More than once in here I’ve stated the simple fact that the EU project is nothing less than the creation of a single sovereign country. We are earmarked to be the North West Province of the country of Europe. There is no menu of options from which we can pick and choose what we want to sign up to. We are marked for assimilation.

    The only solution to this is for the United Kingdom to withdraw wholly from the EU. It’s a plain and obvious position. Some have argued against this view of the EU in here. I look forward to another good laugh while they trot through the usual litany of denials.

  • GCooper

    Pete_London writes:

    “Some have argued against this view of the EU in here. I look forward to another good laugh while they trot through the usual litany of denials.”

    Hear hear!

    The intellectual dishonesty of those who persistently claim that the EU is intended to be anything less than full-fledged state is outstanding.

    And how they manage to sleep at nights is a wonder.

  • John K

    I don’t think Britain would even have the dignity of being a province in NuEurope. It would consist of Scotland, Wales, and the 8 Euroregions which old people used to call England.

  • Verity

    G Cooper – the wonder to me is that they have managed to persuade anybody. If you repeat a lie often enough … another one is, there is basically no trade anywhere else in the entire world, just the EU, and if we leave, we will be totally isolated, shivering in our underwear with nothing to eat.

    The truth is the EU is a millstone around our necks and economic prosperity will soar by leaps and bounds the instant we’re out. It baffles me that there are people who believe otherwise, just because it’s been said to them often enough (and respect for the EU was one of the few things they learned in school).

    I also think we should apply to become either a state of the US or a protectorate or territory ASAP. We’re only as far away from the mainland as is Hawaii and about as far from the lower 48 as is Alaska.

  • GCooper

    Verity writes:

    “I also think we should apply to become either a state of the US or a protectorate or territory ASAP. We’re only as far away from the mainland as is Hawaii and about as far from the lower 48 as is Alaska. ”

    Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but I can’t see why we should do that, either.

    Personally, I think we should simply carry on as we have done for the past many hundreds of years.

    All this ‘you can’t survive on your own’ business is just fashionable rot. Ask the Japanese.

  • Verity

    Oh, I see the EU Court of something or other has said that an English and Welsh law banning marriage between parents-in-law and children-in-law is against their human rights. Anything to destroy the structure of society.

    No surprises there, then. When are you going to wrest control back?

  • Verity, don’t take this the wrong way. We luv ya… but we don’t want ya. You’re not us, and we’re not you.

    Britain AS Britain is a much better deal.

  • Keith

    Verity, I don’t think the Brits have what it takes any more to wrest control back. Hell, they can’t even construct a coherent and principled opposition party as a starting point in that process.
    All the wailing and gnashing of teeth about islamofascists, all the posturing about national identity and “British values” are just noise as the country slides downhill into the European Superstate.

  • Verity

    Russ, sweetie – What are you talking about? I don’t care whether you love me or not. I don’t care what you want. I don’t understand your point.

  • Verity

    Keith, you are correct. It slides further and further down the giant, greedy maw. Poor Russ above talks about Britain AS Britain. There is no true Britain. Britain is an outpost of the EUSSR and marches in lockstep. Soon it will have its own Stazi to police crimes against the state. They even changed the name to “the UK” because the word “Great” was misunderstood by some ignoramuses.

  • Robert Alderson

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has been the official name for a long time. Who are this mysterious “they” who have changed the name? I’m not aware of any change.

    I usually write UK mainly because it is shorter but also because it is a more accurate (politically correct if you will) way of describing the political entity which includes Northern Ireland, the Isle of Wight etc.. Geographically speaking Great Britain is only the biggest of the islands making up the British Isles.

    Anyway, whenever I am asked to describe my national origin I give it as “English” since I feel an English identity separate from Britishness which is rather a strange conglomeration of English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish identities.

    I look forward to the day that England declares independence from the UK.

  • Verity

    I can’t remember when the official designation was changed from Great Britain, but it was to appease the lefties who professed themselves mortified by having to call their country great.

    “I usually write UK mainly because it is shorter.” Shorter than GB? British identifying stickers on cars used to say GB. Now they say UK. Tell you anything? It’s official.

  • Julian Morrison

    The power remains at a national level. All state power is military in origin. UK could kick the ass of EU if it came to a shooting war – so in the end, any demand amounts to a request.

  • Michael Taylor

    Keith and Verity,

    I think you are both utterly pessimistic. There is no chance – absolutely no chance – that Britain (or England, in particular) will ever to the EU. Take a look at English history. Every couple of hundred years since the year dot, the English “elite” has hankered after “Europe” in one way or another. And every time, you get the same thing – foreign “advisors” cluster into London, and all goes swimmingly until . . . . the stout Men of Kent rise up in revolt, occupy London, and knock back the “European” agenda. This pattern is repeated with remarkable regularity, and always with the same result – viz, England asserts its independence from the “European” agenda. It’s no different this time: remember they told us that adopting the Euro was “inevitable” – now it’s off the agenda. They told us the European constitution was “inevitable” – now it’s off the agenda. And yes, now we’ve got this ludicrous attempt to muscle us via the Euro-judiciary. Which will be fine until the first time they try it. The thing to remember on this one is that although England was part of the Roman Catholic empire (of which the EU is partly a wannabe memory), from the 12th century onwards, no Pope ever dared to collect their tithes from England – it simply couldn’t be done.

    Meanwhile, we may not have yet organised a decent opposition, but you can be quite sure that it’s on its way. Both the two main political parties are expressions above all of political exhaustion. Who do you think will revivify first? My betting is on those who value the freedom which they see being robbed from them every day.


    (Link)(Link)I am a Belgian lawyer specialised in EU law and an objectivist/classical liberal.

    You want UK out of EU. Fine. A lot of my eurocrat friends would say perfect. You think that the welfare state is too big. Very good. But, please, I don’t see any difference beetween a silly regulation made in Westminster or in Brussels. I don’t see any political party in UK in favor of a lot more political or more economic freedom.

    Freedom is not freedom, only, from Brussels, but also from Wetsminster and for instance, also from the Lillipudian authorities.

    What you are saying about this arrest is not true. A directive just asks the Member sates to implement such or such regulation, and from time to time, such and such penal regulations.

    Is it a federal sate in coming ? Absolutely. But, it is the purpose of th european union. Not to-day, but in the future.

    You don’t want it for nationalist reasons OK But, don’t write it is because of freedom. UK controls its welfare state, its education system, its tax system, its NHS and so one.

    UK or British or English nationalism has nothing to do with freedom. Harold Wilson which has quite successfully ruined England was quite an Englishman and not in favor of freedom or the EU Same for Brown or Michael Howard.

  • I agree with Molinari that national independence is no guarantee of freedom but I understand the Brits who think that real freedom is at least slightly more achievable in an independent if authoritarian Britain than in a totalitarian European super-state.

  • Keith

    Michael, I really, *really* hope you’re right. As the son of an Englishman it saddens me to see the direction Blair et al have taken England in.
    Fingers crosssed, eh?

  • RAB

    Thank you Molinari, i t cant have been easy expressing that in your second language.
    Quite, National govt is no guarantee of freedom.
    But Supranational Govt certainly isn’t!
    Who do I vote for? What do they stand for?
    As a British person, faced with a Chirac or a Schroeder, how would I choose between them for President of Europe?
    Hopefully I wont have to , and the whole rotten pile will collapse around it’s ears- but I won’t bet on it!

  • please, I don’t see any difference beetween a silly regulation made in Westminster or in Brussels. I don’t see any political party in UK in favor of a lot more political or more economic freedom.

    Well the difference is that crap dished out by Westminster is somewhat easier to oppose in Britain than crap dished out in Brussels. And where on Samizdata.net did you hear anyone doing much praising of UK political parties? I am not sure whose views you are arguing against but I suspect they are not mine.

  • Yes I agree too with Molinari on the central point. But there are varying degrees in how far from libertarian/free market/objectivist ideals a country currently is…. and I believe my order is still:

    United States = FAR
    United Kingdom = FURTHER
    European Union = FURTHEST.

    The concept of the United States in its infancy was liberty, and is the youngest nation in our list. So I think Verity’s move from EU to US would actually be a good move for the UK…. but, at the very least, separation from the EU!

  • Verity

    John Wright – Britain would have absolutely nothing to lose – providing we were accepted – by hitching up with the United States, the most powerful country in the history of the world. Either as Britain, or, if preferrred, just England if Scotland, Wales and N Ireland wished to stay in the EU, we would be a state. States in America, as has been illuminated to the nth degree by Louisiana and Mississippi, are sovereign. We would have more autonomy as a state in the United States of America than as a vassal in the EUSSR. Governors of states in America have much more power than do prime ministers/presidents of the EU vassal countries.

    Economically, Britain would be more than able, as we have been able to do for 400 years, to make it on our own, once free of the dead hand of the EU. But the US has the best firepower, and Britain could, as we do now, offer landing stations offshore Europe as part of the price of our admission to statehood. One day, American firepower will be important to us, and we may as well be an integral part of the United States by that time.

    To anyone who knows Texas, the idea of identity and history somehow becoming submerged in a giant blancmange of America is simply ridiculous. Texas was once an independent country and, in its head, still is. But they’re also proud to fly the American flag. I honestly cannot see what we would have to lose by joining this federation, if they would entertain our membership.

  • Sandy P

    –The power remains at a national level. All state power is military in origin. UK could kick the ass of EU if it came to a shooting war – so in the end, any demand amounts to a request.—

    Don’t be too sure of that, start reading EU Referendum if you haven’t.

    You’re buying EU goods now. Not too much tech sharing between US and you anymore. AND the other states can peruse your files w/o so much as a hello. If you think we’re letting our classified stuff fall into frankenreich’s mitts that easy, at this point in time, no way.

    It happened in 2000 w/o Parliament’s approval.

  • Molinari,
    A stupid regulation made in Westminster,if large enough,can bring the Government down,I suspect that Brussels couldn’t give toss,because quite simply,we have had septic tankloads of demented regulation thrust upon us by the EU.Since we have multiple layers of government this is kicked about until it gets lost,empires never work.Frankly anyone who puts themselves into a minority where the majority can vote against your interests is quite simply mad! Also giving away rights just because some have been taken is like selling ones self on the street because one has been raped once.

    More importantly,regulations are frequently designed by one or two EU members to screw another for economic advantage.Brussels regulation on left handed turds puts the British turd industry out of business,but lo! German or French turd makers have been working to these specifications since the Holy Roman Empire and they clean up ,so to speak.

    The whole thing is one enormous boondoggle,with power and privilege concentrated in the hands of an unelected and unaccountable few.

  • Verity

    Peter, tell us something new. Like how to destroy this “boondoggle” whose own accountants have refused to sign off it taxes for seven years. Yet it continues to exist.

    Peter, you say, “I suspect that …”. What you suspect is of absolutely no importance. It’s the juggernath rolling ahead that has the power, not your suspicions.

  • rosignol

    Russ, sweetie – What are you talking about?

    It’s very simple: the US has little interest in adding 60,000,000 socialists to it’s electorate- the homegrown ones are troublesome enough, why would we want to import more?

    Wrap your head around this one: adding the UK to the US would basically give the Democrats not one, but two Californias.

    Not now, thank you. Perhaps after the Democratic party implodes and the Republicans schism….

  • 50 Cents

    I’d like to leave the EU too but I’d rather be run from Brussels than DC. At least the dead wouldn’t be left on the sidewalk.

  • “…8 Euroregions which old people used to call England.”

    That’s right John, that’s the plan. England is apparently too large and diverse for political representation as a whole entity. Devolution for England offers too much democracy.

  • John McVey

    Like, *shrug*, already. Just emigrate, okay? Why not give up on a lost cause? Last I recall, Perry, you said your mind was already made up on the matter as a result of some other goram regulation outrage a few months back and were making inquiries with friends and associates about job opportunities and the like in the US. Did I miss a post were you said you had reconsidered your migration plans? (I probably did).

    As to commentator responses, while I am a minarchist rather than an anarchist, I am baffled by the spectacle of some libertarians mourning the death of a collective spirit while others decry such pessimism and declare the said spirit alive though asleep or something. I can understand considerable concern for how a body politic may react this way and that on electoral matters and having a great desire to change people’s minds for the better, but actual emotional attachment to collective sentiment and identification is beyond me, and I raise an eyebrow & fold my arms at the sight of Objectivists and libertarians treating this kind of group affiliation as being of value.

    I recommend Australia over the US. I was not born here (I’m was born in Glasgow), but made a deliberate decision to stay and I have never regretted it and never thought about moving since then – ironic, perhaps, given that one of my main reasons is that the basic mindset and culture of Australian people is to my liking. Of course, this doesn’t stop me from being at heart exemplar of the social engineer’s worst nightmare – a rootless cosmopolitan.


  • I really don’t follow much of your comment, John.

    Yes, I am still planning to move my operations to the USA (New Hampshire) eventually (at least partially… eggs in more than one basket and all that), but as someone who has long been a cosmopolitan, the notion of ’emigrating’ is a bit odd… I move somewhere, work there for a few years as long as it suits me, then move somewhere else.

  • Stop being literal minded Verity,”I suspect” is a figure off speech”

  • John McVey

    The parts you’re baffled by weren’t written with you in particular in mind, but in response to the ideas behind comments from Keith and Michael Taylor. Looking back again I think I have may read in a bit too much to what they wrote, but even so I still think the sentiment is there.


  • Verity

    50 cents – At least in Brussels, the dead wouldn’t be left on the sidewalk – you forgot to add, at the behest of Chimpy Bushhitler and Dick Cheyne who are too mean to spend billions on health care for the 45m Americans without health insurance and absolutely no provision for their health care whatsoever. (Care at free county hospitals is usually identical, or better, – certainly cleaner – than care in British NHS hospitals, but never mind.)

    At least in Brussels, the dead wouldn’t be left on the sidewalk You’re right. They leave them to die in un-airconditioned old people’s homes that don’t even have ice to put in a glass of water during three weeks of a severe heatwave that was predicted well in advance. 15,000 helpless old people dead in France due to human neglect. 500 dead in the vast area of the three states hit by a force of nature. Hmmm. Tough choice.

    rosignol – You are absolutely right and I didn’t think of that. Yes, of course, you don’t want 60m whiners and scroungers with “rights”. Scratch my suggestion.

    I agree with the people who said, “Just emigrate.” That’s what I did when Blair slithered in the first time. It’s clean. It’s decisive, and your future is in your own hands, not the hands of a egomaniac, messianic fruit loop.

  • pommygranate

    I simply cannot get my head around the idea of leaving one’s home country, like Verity and others, because of the election of a government whose policies i disagree with.

    And as for becoming another US state….

    I was at Trafalgar Square on Tuesday to listen to a barely conscious Freddie Flintoff talkof a “thousand stories”.

    A wonderful English moment and not something i would or could ever give up.

  • Molinari and Rosignol had it precisely correct: the laws of the UK, from the point of view of the average working schmoe in the US, and particularly those of yours truly from Texas, are obscene. To pick two examples I’ve bumped into personally, the notion that one can be sent to jail for carrying a pocketknife (what do you use to cut your cheese on a picnic? Scissors?), or that one is literally not allowed to kick interlopers out of your house if you left your door unlocked… revolting. And last I was in London, most of the Brits don’t care much for US laws, either.

    The US has a hard enough time with asshats making decisions like KELO, without trying to figure out how we’d engage in political union with the UK… until the Reagan Coalition is officially split, and the Dems get settled… we’re in no shape for that kind of task.

    And, lest this seem to brit-bashing, free drinks on me for any Brit Samizdatist who happens to wend through Dallas or environs.

  • Verity

    Russ Mitchell – I love Big D! Unbelievable pizazz!

    I agree with your post. The socialists want every single human decision to be in the hands of the government rather than in the hands of the adult population. Why would anyone vote for this? Because that same government is slipping them backhanders in the form of extra benefits paid for out of the pounds that they were relieved of at source by the government. Their freedom and liberties have been removed from them by increments, yet they have voted a nutjob in three times as their head of government.

    I do agree with you and rosignol. Why would America want 60m of these people as citizens? I wasn’t thinking straight!

  • Robert Alderson

    Pommygrante, As somebody who has commented here about emigrating I wouldn’t want you to think that my decision to leave was seriously linked to politics. I like the US and admire the freedom and opportunity but the main reason for moving was economic. I want more money, an affordable house and sun. In due time I will probably apply for citizenship and mean it when I swear whatever oath of allegiance is rqeuired but nothing can erase my inate Englishness. I will be happy to be one of the half million or so English-Americans.

  • Johnathan Pearce

    I have come to the sad conclusion that the brief notion that the EC was just a free trade zone is dead. We must leave this stinking mess asap.

  • Verity

    Johnathan – I don’t think it ever was intended to be just a free trade zone. That was the acceptable thin end of the wedge, that is all. It has been planned as a monolithic, totally pointless, socialist EUSSR since the beginning. Read Oriana Fallacci. Fifty years ago the EC was making deals with the Arab League to let hundreds of thousands – turned out to be millions – of Muslim immigrants in. It was already acting like a mono superstate 50 years ago. The underpinnings have been quietly in place for longer than most of our lifetimes .

  • Johnathan Pearce

    Verity, I would not dissent with a word of your post. When I talked about the “notion” of a free trade zone I had in mind the way in which the EC was pitched to the public in the early 70s. Like you, I have read a lot of stuff to make me realise that the wretched thing was flogged to Joe Public on a bent prospectus.

    BTW, this latest twist demonstrates the point made by Mark Steyn several times: namely, that the failure to ratify the EU Constitution does not mean that EU leaders will not try to enforce its provisions piecemeal, and by stealth.

  • And the nice thing about the US, Robert, is that nobody will even begin to begrudge it. My wife remains quite the Hungarian, though she is slowly assimilating to good Texican attitudes. (Her first and second responses to the power going out this week were “where’s my pistol,” and “can the car get out of the garage?” I’m so proud…)

  • Sandy P

    Pommygranate, what makes you think you’d have to give that up?

    50 unique states and food. and dialect and music, art, etc. Besides, you’re far enough away no one would know.

  • BTW, this latest twist demonstrates the point made by Mark Steyn several times: namely, that the failure to ratify the EU Constitution does not mean that EU leaders will not try to enforce its provisions piecemeal, and by stealth.

    I believe you, not least because that is exactly what they said they would do the very next day. No link, but I don’t need a memex to remember it well.

  • pommygranate

    Robert – people emigrate for various reasons; in search of a better life, a job relocation, better job prospects or to be closer to relatives.

    To move because you think your country is going to hell in a handbasket strikes me as defeatist and unpatriotic.

    Far better to emulate the likes of Gary Munro, who rather than buying a one-way ticket to Montana screaming “you’ll never get me you statist bastards”, prefers to do something about it and stand for office.

    Sandy P – i spent a number of years in your fine country and am happy to admire it from afar.

  • personally I thought the Brussels fraud magnet hadn’t been able to get it’s accounts signed off for more like 10 years rather than 6. How I wish we could pack up and leave. It ‘s not like they could do anything as Britain has a trade deficit with the rest of the EU so and sanctions would hurt them more than they hurt us if we match them in kind.

    Personally I have never been given a way of directly expressing my view on whether we should have joined the EU, other than voting UKIP or Conservative (despite definantly not being a natural conservative voter). It’s about time we had another referendum. No way would it be yes this time.

  • 50 Cents


    I’m impressed that you think that the final total for Katrina will be 500. It’s already 800 so I’ll bear that in mind.
    Health policy is France is run from Paris, not Brussels.
    There is no reason to believe that an independent France wd have acted different, i.e. had the power to miraculously instal air-con in every oldster’s dwelling.
    Air-con actually increases global warming, but with your ant-science er anti-science you won’t believe that.
    The Frogs have beaucoup de nuclear power stations – surely you approve?

  • ATM

    And clearing the dead is a responsiblity of the DC? Despite the Louisiana Governor’s blatherings, it is a responsibility of the city and state.

  • Verity

    50 cents – I quoted the estimated 500 dead figure when that was announced. Sadly, yes, it is now up to 800 across the vast three state area – Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama.

    I know that French health policy is run from Paris rather than Brussels, but I was referring, as you know, to the European socialist mindset. Although many old people did indeed die in their homes, thousands of the most critical cases were in nursing homes, maisons de retraite and hospitals. Not only were none of these places air-conditioned (despite the cannicule having been forecast well in advance), but even after old people started dying of heatstroke, they didn’t even bother installing any. They didn’t even have ice-making machines so these poor little old people could have a glass of ice cold water to bring their temperature down a little. I am full of contempt for them.

    Worldwide air-conditioning may increase global warming infinitisimally, but so what? Heatwaves are part of the normal weather pattern and have occurred throughout history and are referred to in books written a thousand years ago.

    Yes, I approve of nuclear power. It is clean and safe and provides cheap electricity – although not in France where they charge an arm and a leg for basic service because their economy is going through the floor and the electricity company is a Soviet style state-owned monopology. But nuclear power has the ability to be very cheap.

  • 50 Cents


    Thanks for your reply. I must concede you’re well informed about France. However, to say the economy is going thru the floor is hyperbole. They still have a Sante Publique to -erm die for.

    To give every O.A.P. air-con would mean raising taxes, which I thought you’d be strongly against.

    Incidentally, how is Mr Bush going to raise $200 billion (£111 billion – Nelson’s) without raising taxes? Granted he won’t have to do it in a year, but if there’s fat to cut, why hasn’t he done it already?

    What makes you think the European socialist mind-set is absent from Britain? Not to mention the US?

    As for global warming being infinitesimal (correct spelling), I read you on Ablution writing some bloke off for writing “independant”. So you must be wrong, for your one little mistake.

  • John K

    Incidentally, how is Mr Bush going to raise $200 billion (£111 billion – Nelson’s) without raising taxes?

    He’s just going to print them isn’t he? He seems to have turned into a New Dealer, with the same commitment to defecit financing and contempt for states’ rights. Big Daddy from Washington will make everything all right with his phoney dollars.

    He seems to have decided that it’s a good idea to rebuild New Orleans exactly where it was, below sea level, between a lake and a river, in a hurricane zone. Given that in New York they haven’t even rebuilt ground zero yet, I think he may be proved wrong. I certainly hope so. He says it’s impossible to imagine America without New Orleans. You don’t have to, it’s already happened. To squander a trillion dollars attempting to recreate a city which should never have been allowed to grow the way it did, where it did, is the height of hubristic folly. GWB wants to take responsibility for the disaster? Fine Dubya, it’s all your fault, resign schmuck. Don’t try to piss away money America hasn’t got on an unbelievable public spending boodoggle it does not need and cannot afford.

  • Verity

    50 cents – Eek! I did misspell infinitesimal!

    The French economy is tanking. Yes, their health system is superb, but not for much longer. It is already being cut back. With everything computerised and centalised, they can see at an instant how many prescriptions any one doctor is giving out and, believe me, if it’s more than the state wants, he will get a visit. Worse, he may be called in to explain himself. They’ve finally figured out they can’t run a Rolls-Royce service (and that is certainly what it is) on a beer budget. What they will do, I don’t know. The people have become accustomed to this luxury.

    I repeat, the vast number of the 15,000 old people in France died in public facilities like hospitals, nursing homes and retirement homes. Given that they are the most vulnerable people in any society, not to have mobilised window units for their wards after the heatwave began and was predicted to continue for three weeks is sickening. It doesn’t bear thinking of. No, they cannot air-condition private apartments, but they could buy them fans so they could have movement of air, for god’s sake!

    And those poor little old people lying on hot mattresses in rooms where all the windows were open but no movement of air didn’t even have ice water. Nurses couldn’t bathe their faces with ice cold water. No one could give them a glass of ice water to give them at least some surcease.

    Their medical system is wonderful (and unaffordable) and highly intelligently structured, but 15,000 tiny old people dying in supreme discomfort because they couldn’t find money for window units and ice making machines makes me sick. What are they going to do during the next heat wave, I wonder.

  • Verity

    PS – and they were announcing on the evening news every night how many more old people had died that day and still the government did nothing!

  • 50 Cents


    How do events in France justify leaving the dead on the sidewalk in New O.? Since when do 2 wrongs make a right?

    The important thing is that Haliburton should get as much of the reconstruction gravy as possible. That’s what patriotism’s for – to make money.

    In your fave China, do the maisons de retraite have air-con?

    A la prochaine!

  • Verity

    88 cents – You know perfectly well that no dead were left on the sidewalks in NO but were collected with due reverence when it become possible to retrieve them. Let us not try to make points using the dead. Most of these people were in families that loved them. I am just saying the retrieving the dead was not possible until the waters started to go down in NO, but they were already dead. The 15,000 old people in France were alive until government neglect killed them.

    China isn’t my fave. I’ve never been there. Singapore is my fave. Actually, it’s a draw between Singapore and the United States. Oh, wait a minute! I love India, too! China isn’t going to spring into full-fledged democracy, obviously. It will take a long time, but becoming more democratic in its trading practices and participating in the world of free trade is a good start.

    I am not going to answer your final paragraph because the left has an idée fixe about Halliburton and I simply don’t understand it.

  • John K

    I just knew that Halliburton would rear its ugly head. It’s true, their weather control division engineered the hurricane just so that Bushchimphitler and his fat controller Cheney would give them the contracts to rebuild a New New Orleans cleansed of black people. What do you expect from the company that started the Vietnam War so that they could build Cam Ranh Bay?

    Did I mention Halliburton caused the tsunami too? What a bunch of rotters. Good job their evil tentacles control the United States Government or they’d really be in trouble with the Feds.

  • Verity

    Did anyone else read the piece in the week before last’s Speccie by a woman who lives in NO. It was one of the funniest pieces The Speccie has published since Johnson the Boris took over. (I looked it up for a link, but it is now under subscription to read it.)

    Did you know you can buy a drink in a pharmacy in NO? Isn’t that absolutely wonderful?

    Did you know they have drive-through daquiri shops? Did you know that drinking and driving is not just legal; it’s practically mandatory? I’ve been to NO, but I didn’t know the scuttlebut on how much fun it must be to actually live there.

    Also – I don’t think in the article; I can’t remember – but a large proportion of that 67% black population are middle class (like the mayor, an ex-corporate executive). What is this leftie obsession with race?