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And the stupid white man is…

Dear Michael,

Although things are hectic at my end, as I am sure you can imagine, I wanted to take time out to thank you for your part in my success. Difficult times make for difficult decisions and in the final analysis, the buck stops on my desk. As a result I am not surprised that Rummie, Condi and I have taken flak over Iraq and in retrospect we might have done some things differently.

But thanks to you, many people became so polarized that in the end, millions decided that no matter what they thought of me, the chance to give you one in the eye was all that really mattered. I mean, that loathsome dissembling lard ass shtick of yours is just amazing!

So thanks, I couldn’t have done it without you! Oh, and when you see Noam next, tell him I will also be sending him a few ‘kees’ of that great jerky to thank him for what he did too.

You guys are the best!

Yours faithfully,

George W.

74 comments to And the stupid white man is…

  • I can’t wait to hear Michael Moore’s excuse. 🙂

  • Euan Gray

    Michael Moore’s excuse…

    … will be that if only all the votes in Ohio had been counted, Kerry would have won, and hence the Republican pressure on Kerry to concede before the provisional votes could be counted. Obviously, this means the election was stolen by the nasty megacorps who control the election process through the White House (except when Democrats win), and will be the basis of Fahrenheit 211, The Theft of a Nation (Again).


  • Pete_London


    This is serious business. Can we dispense with the puerile, infantile comments, please?

    I blame the military-industrial, , neocon, Joowish, big mega oil Corp complex.

  • Shannon


    As a native (and resident) of the lovely state of Ohio, that’s just not fair. They haven’t counted all our ballots yet, there’s been plenty of voter fraud allegations and I bloody well hope they keep counting. If he’s going to claim a “victory”, at least make it a fair one. This isn’t a recount, it’s a count.

    There were lines out the door when I got to the polls at 6:30 a.m. yesterday. Some people waited in line 9+ hours to vote, only to be handed provisional ballots just to clear out the backlog…provisional ballots which might not be counted. Ohio State University, a school with more than 30 thousand students, only got two polling places to handle the crush. Come on. Does that sound like a fair setup to you?

    I want all the votes counted. Otherwise, what’s the point of casting them? Is it all for show now?

  • Andrew Robb

    Moore’s opinion or state of mind right now is irrelevent. I couldn’t care less.

  • I have a suspicion tha Moore himself could not care less. While Bush is laughing all the way to the Oval Office, he is laughing all the way to the bank. But, I can always hope to be wrong:-)

  • Andrew Robb

    You’re probably correct. Moore gets rich off of controversy, if he get’s his way he has nothing to make movies about.

  • telcontar

    Why are fat jokes mandatory when we discuss Michael Moore? Let’s be a bit more mature. Just give them the one-finger salute.

  • Mike

    Shannon — the nets are reporting that the number of provisional ballots approximately equals the current Bush margin of 136,000 votes. Do you really reckon that 100% of the provisional ballots are (a) Kerry votes, and (b) non-fraudulent? Or that the “tens of thousands” of as-yet uncounted overseas absentee ballots heavily favor Kerry? Kerry’s advisors don’t, and they aren’t stupid.

    Personally, I wouldn’t have minded at all had the Kerry campaign decided to fight to the bitter end. They’d have lost anyway, and after plaguing Ohio with several thousand lawyers and thousands more obnoxious and condescending MoveOn types, they’d have guaranteed OH stayed Republican for the next half dozen presidential elections. Not to mention that the Dems would look like petulantly sore losers in front of a national audience. No downside to that scenario.

    Re: Michael Moore… Smart money is he’s off drowning his sorrows in a case of corn dogs. Want some mayo for those, Mike?

  • Pete_London

    Sorry, today I just can’t raise myself above gloating. Guess I’m just not nuanced enough. From Moorewatch:

    If Bush’s win was a night of hot sex, Moore’s failure was the cumshot.

  • Susan

    Fat Mikey will likely just yawn and help himself to another dozen Krispy Kreme donuts.

  • Don’t worry about Moores state of mind, he is only worried about the state of his stomach.

  • Hank Scorpio

    “Re: Michael Moore… Smart money is he’s off drowning his sorrows in a case of corn dogs. Want some mayo for those, Mike?”

    Mayo on corn dogs? You sick bastard.

  • John Ellis

    Cheap shot, Perry.

    1) The guy is fat
    2) He backed the losing side in the election

    …so shoot him.

    Ah, I guess you probably would. ‘Course. 49% of the American people fall into one of those camps, or both, so shoot them too….

  • Todd Miller

    Folks, I hate to tell you this, but Mega-Mike is wearing a big, sloppy, bar-b-que encrusted grin right now. 4-mo years of W translates into job security for the flabby sot. Get used to seeing him reclining on the overstuffed couch in Studio 1-A in Rockafeller Plaza across from Matt and Katie about once each quarter.

  • Mike

    John Ellis — you could use a humor implant. I understand the list of lefties waiting for them is quite long, so you should sign up soon.

  • Mike

    “Folks, I hate to tell you this, but Mega-Mike is wearing a big, sloppy, bar-b-que encrusted grin right now. ”

    Christ, thanks for the visual. You and the guy who used “cumshot” and “Moore” in the same sentence should both be beaten with a rubber hose.

    P.s. I agree with your analysis. We’ll never see the end of MM now.

  • Mike,

    the number of outstanding provisional and absentee ballots has been reported in an extremely wide range – from where you state, all the way up to nearly double that. While I wouldn’t expect 100% to be for Kerry, there were other factors at play: machine errors, irregularities, flat-out lying…

    Walden “Wally” O’Dell, the chairman of the board and chief executive of Diebold Election Systems promised to “deliver Ohio’s electoral votes for Bush”, after all. You’d blame us for being a little suspicious?

    We’re not the only state with Diebold concerns. California’s secretary of state is considering civil and criminal charges against Diebold for installing uncertified systems.

    And, only a few days before the election, new voters in Lake County (one over from Dem stronghold Cuyahoga, where Cleveland is located) received letters on fake Board of Elections letterhead stating if they’d registered through [Dem-organized] voter drives, they were ineligible to vote.

    I just want all the Ohio votes counted, as an internal audit of all these new systems, if anything. I don’t think that’s asking too much.

  • Mike

    Shannon — I agree the ballots should all be counted, and not just in Ohio. Careful election post-mortems are good for public confidence in the system. In the supercharged atmosphere of this race voters on both sides have reasonable grounds for suspicion. Hopefully Blackwell’s office will do a credible job of processing the provisional and absentee ballots and coming up with a final count.

    P.s. If Diebold’s chairman really said such a stupid thing, the board should throw him out on his ass with no severance.

  • Moore’s homepage has mysteriously turned into a face of George W Bush consisting of Iraq war dead now.

    Funny that.

  • John O'Dea

    The advantage of a conspiracy-theorist is that whenever proved wrong they will retort that this is just part of a yet-bigger conspiracy.

    Moore and his fan club will have to conclude that if the electorate can’t take the combined advice of Moore, his Hollywood fan-club, the French and Bin Laden, then they need to shout louder and longer. By 2008, I would imagine their hysteria will have lost all bounds of reason.

  • Mike,

    they are continuing to count, thankfully. And as for the Diebold guy, yes, he did say that! Google it. There was quite an uproar. Of course he tried to backtrack later as a result… (flip flop?) 😉

  • Kathy

    Those who think Moore will be back, or that he wanted GB another 4yrs are nuts. This man needed Bush out. He now has built a massive hate fan base, and his faith fulls will now the truth..he lies! His books and film are twisted fabrications, and his lard ass makes NO differance on this planet

    Being controveral might work for Howard Stern or Eminem, but they has some talent. Moore though, is done like a Thanksgiving Turkey.
    I just love how this no class putz is hiding. Now that GB is around 4 more yrs, If Moore tries to be anything of a pain, even if people won’t listen now, I think he’s gonna be shot this time.

    I’m glad you lost Jabba

  • Napoleon

    Maybe Moore is not that objective but the goal is kicking Bush from presidency and it’s a good one. What do you need to understand Bush is a dictator and an all-mighty person sustained by oil and weapons corporations ? You think the lost of 100’000 civilians in Irak is nothing ? You know that Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction, you know that ? He lied and now thousands of people have died for this “mistake”…. You need more ? Billions ? What do you need to understand Bush and his administrations are just worried by their own money and nothing human or natural counts for them ?

  • Scott


    Grow up, no one bought it and no one’s buying it now. But, since you throw out the charge, lets go to the dictionary shall we? Lie: a statement known to be untrue at the time it is made.

    Since the intelligence agencies of Russia, Great Britian, Isreal and others, not to mention Senator John Kerry himself believed that Saddam DID in fact have WMD, exactly where is the lie? It may have been erroneous data (not likely, given that this 380 tons of high explosive that supposedly was missing brought Kerry to a boil because these dangerous weapons were “allowed to go free”), but I fail to see a lie there.

    Explain it, and focus only on your charge..Bush lied about WMD. Check your encyclopedia (assuming you know what one is) and verify my definition, then come back here and show us all your proof that Bush Lied.

    I dare you

    Guess we won’t ever get our answer though.

  • Arty

    Well said Napoleon. Thanks for dumping the contents of your tortured mind at Samizdata.

    You forgot to mention that he made Michael Moore sad too.

  • Jason

    I am a liberal, and I voted for John Kerry. (just want to get that out of the way first) I am not a fan of Michael Moore for the same reason I am not a fan of Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Ann Coulter and the numerous other talking heads who unfairly represent one side of an issue. I must say that countering rhetoric with hate (and a great many of these messages are hate-filled) will never be effective. There will always be extremists for both sides of the issues. Our job as Americans is, unfortunately, to find out the facts for ourselves. I do think there is bias in the media (and I am most definitely including FoxNews in this group) but somewhere in that bias are the facts the bias developed from. Factcheck.org and Spinsanity.com are two great sites for doing this, and personally I think they have both been fair in presenting facts and non-facts behind rhetoric. As long as all of these hate-sites exist Michael Moore will not go away (as well as Rush, Al, Ann, Sean, and all the rest of them). I have not seen fahrenheit 9/11, or any of the others in this ilk, because I do not wish to unfairly be exposed to one side of the issue without a decent and fair representation of the other side. As long as sites like this (and the forty something others) exist, you will add fuel to the fire. Next time something like Fahrenheit or one of Moore’s latest books gets released try a new strategy. Ignore it. Mel Gibson knew, and I believe Michael Moore knows that the bigger stink you raise about something the more attention will be paid to it. You are lining his pockets just by letting this site exist, and you are adding fuel to the fire for him and everyone like him.

    “I must be doing something to upset them–look at all the websites they’ve set up to keep me quiet!” –Michael Moore

  • Napoleon

    You know what “disarmement inspectors” means ? You’re just forgetting that their report were all negative and though that Bush knew there were no wmd’s as everyone on earth knew. If he succeeded in convincing you he was not aware of that you’re really simple-minded. And he lied, yes I said “lied”, when he said that Saddam was linked with Al-Quaida (no one in the world was less linked with them than him).
    Apart from that Bush neglected UNO’s advice and went to war on his own with the exception of the us colony (I mean, England). Diplomacy is something Bush doesn’t know.
    And what about the ability of the governement to spy on every us citizens ? Did you read 1984, from George Orwell ? I advise you to try and compare the current us situation and 1984’s.
    Religion should be banned from politics, and it’s clearly not. Bush speaks of crusades against evil, if there’s an evil that can be no one but him ! How many years do you think it would have taken for Saddam to kill 100’000 of his people ? For sure Us intervention was blessed by God… Everyone knows God taught us to kill each other…
    And one more thing, maybe the most important one : Bush didn’t signed Kyoto agreement and he doesn’t care about nature, when he leads the most polluting country worldwide. Now think about it : in 25 years (that means, around 2030) there will be 1’000’000 less species on earth, a quarter of all the species existing.
    You can think what you want but you can’t argue with clever people.

  • usbabies

    you people are so ignorant! Look at the $ , the job out sourcing, the price of oil/gas, the amount of people dead. It’s not about what the president can for on class it’s what he can do for his country as a whole… and the rest of the world for that matter..Saddam only killed 50000 in 85 Bush is already at 100000 figure it out. Who is he helping? Really peace like.
    What kind of fish is bush?

  • Chris

    Well, I think Michael Moore is getting his next movie ready. If you go to his website, his big thing here was Voter Fraud….how much do you wanna bet that we will be seeing a movie from him about Voter Fraud soon, alleging that the GOP stopped people from voting.

  • Napoleon

    There are so many reasons to disapprove Bush’s policy ! I can’t even think of one single good decision he took.
    Nowadays people grow more and more studid and ignorant. They want to see real people exposing their private lives on TV (when I see all those bastards standing and shouting “Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!” like nazis were shouting “Hitler!” in the 40’s it frightens me a lot : how can we go so far in stupidity ?), people want as well to know everything about their president private life and they simply don’t care about the rest. Just look at how Clinton had been under an impeachement procedure for having slept with Monica and on the other hand Bush, who made a so-called “mistake” on the wmd’s (I for one call it a lie), killed 1000 of his own people and 100’000 of irakis and has absolutely no procedure on him. He’s a so good christian…

  • limberwulf

    I respect some of your position, but the ending statement of “resistance is futile, you are helping hte enemy by fighting him” is a bit far-fetched. The same argument has been used by appeasers for ages, including those who think that fighting in the middle east makes the terrorists stronger. There may be some extra recruits whose misguided interpretation of our actions conivnced them to join the ranks of the enemy, but there is no evidence whatsoever that terrorist organizations are actually increasing in strength and organization.

    No one here thinks Bush has made great decisions throughout, tho some of his decisions have been good, i.e. tax cuts. If you think that is incorrect read an economics book and a history book and get back to me. The issue that must be recognized is the comparatively worse record of action on the part of his former opponent. Further, character in people does matter. I care what kind of person with, do business with, or elect, and personal life shows that sort of thing. As for seperation of church and state, I am with you in theory, but statements that “Bush is evil” are equally based in a belief system that has no more place in government than any other religion. The seperation is not as easy as it appears. Everyone has a belief system of some sort, and it will influence their actions. The fact that some beleif systems are more honest about who they are and that they believe in something outside of themselves does not make them more dangerous, in fact I believe they are less so. To think that someone who hides behind some false name of science or atheism as if it is not a belief system and has no bias included in it I find quite sinsister. There is no such thing as an unbiased person, and those who show their bias plainly are far easier to deal with than those who claim to have none.

  • Chewing Gum

    There are 38 countries in the Alliance. Australia is one of them. I think when people are so polarised they select and choose elements of the truth to make their argument. Trying to degrade the UK by calling her a colony of the US is also degrading those from her country who are dying as we speak.

    Four years weapons inspector were unable to conduct inspections.

    Saddam – responsible for at least one million deaths. Not bad for a man who apparently didn’t have weapons of mass destruction.

    Get real, get VERY real, Saddam killed and would have added to his death count. Stop trying to pretend otherwise. It’s an insult to the million-plus.

    I thank George Bush for removing Saddam.

  • Scott

    Napoleon..as usual with you hysterical lefties..you changed your arguement. No where in your post did you mention Bush linking Saddam to al-Queda was the lie. Second, up to the moment we went into Iraq, the intelligence agencies listed above, along with our own CIA were telling President Bush they were there.

    When I get into an arguement with a clever person, let me know. You are nothing short of a left wing fanatic that will believe whatever negative he can find about a man he hates. Even when it comes to that pathetic, lying windbag mikey moore I check my facts out before I go into battle. I suggest you grow up and do the same, I really would like you to not look quite so ignorant and partisan the next time.

  • Radio Prof


    California no longer uses the Diebold machines since the Primarie, and there are NO LITIGATIONS since June concerning Diebold. Once Again the liberals GET IT WRONG

  • Radio Prof


    California no longer uses the Diebold machines since the Primary, and there are NO LITIGATIONS since June concerning Diebold. Once Again the liberals GET IT WRONG

  • Radio Prof


    California no longer uses the Diebold machines since the Primary, and there are NO LITIGATIONS here in CA since June concerning Diebold. Once Again the liberals GET IT WRONG

  • TomB

    To the people complaining about possible fraud in Ohio, believe me, the Dems don’t want to go there. Given the proximity to both Detroit and Philadelphia, they do not want to bring up ANY investigation that might touch on those two cities.

    As an example, Philly has as many registered voters as it does voting age population, as opposed to the national average of about 50%. Of course, most of those people vote Dem.

    In addition, I’ve seen the “100,000 dead in Iraq” figure mentioned. That is from a “study” from the Lancet, a British Medical Journal. However, the study has been soundly discredited by a number of people. And the true number including “insurgents”, terrorists and military killed in the acutal taking of Iraq is probably closer to 8 to 10 thousand.

  • Alex rudy

    shut your mouths. quit bitching. suck my dick.

    Bush won because people are idiots.
    Kerry was the democratic candidate becuase we didnt have much to choose from.
    Bush sucks. Kerry sucks. Nader sucks. Politicians suck and so do you because you treat politics as if its a sport.
    Take your egos and shove them up your ass.
    And that goes to Michael Moore too.
    And all of you people making fat jokes.
    Go to hell.
    All of you bastards who think you are so right.
    Go to hell.

  • limberwulf

    Alex, take a valium or a tranquilizer or something, your gonna go critical.

    Oh and when youve calmed down a little, maybe take a vocabulary lesson, it might make you seem less silly.

  • All of you bastards who think you are so right.
    Go to hell.

    Including your self-righteous self, of course.

    Nappy, the Feb. 14, 2003, report from Hans Blix noted, as an EXAMPLE of what was still missing, 1000 tons of chemical weapons agent. That was right before the invasion.

    Here’s a Telegraph report that US forces found cyanide and mustard gas dumped into an Iraqi river. If you want more, I suggest visiting Fishkite, a blog dedicated to tracking Iraq’s WMDs.

    If you think anyone “knew” there were no WMDs in Iraq, you weren’t paying attention.

  • Caoimin

    Congratulations to Bush from London, England – we’re not all vegetarian, soup drinking, tofu eating, latte imbibing, Guardian reading, anti-gun, anti-hunting, group-thinking, spineless miserable twerps as many European liberals are. I just wish we had leaders with the Churchillian stature of Bush in Europe; as for elephant man Michael Moore: go and eat some fried bread – with mayo.

  • caoimin

    Has the silky pony been sent to the glue factory yet? or maybe Kerry will eat him – the French are partial to a nicely roasted joint of cheval – perhaps he could serve some silky pony with PLENTY OF MAYO to THUNDER ARSE MIKEY

  • Dave One

    I heard Moore likes CD’s. Well Mike, see deez nuts!!!

  • tania


    so you believe that bush is such a great president? Well that is your belief and belief is a great and personal thing that is ones own. You know there are people out there that believe in aliens, i believe in jesus christ the lord, and people that believe that eating pork is unclean. No one is powerful enough to say that someone else’s belief is wrong, that’s just what they believe.
    That being said I believe that people know what you tell them until they find out diffrently for themselves. I voted for Kerry. I believed in him. I used to believe in Bush my husband was going to join the army and go to Iraq and I was supporting him. Until my friend whose husband is in Iraq told me that her husband is over there killing civilians. Thousands of people even babies are being killed-as was showed in Mr. Moore’s film.
    That is when I starting thinking about war and politics and what it all means. So I googled George W. Bush got some interesting news from all angles. He had a DUI stood out, refuse to give a drug test, failure to appear for hearing, and that he was the first president to have so much time off for vacations.
    I just don’t think that that is correct. I remember always hearing on the news “The president has just returned from a long vacation” and remember thinking wasn’t he just on vacation???
    So if some things can be true that are in Mr. Moore’s film than who are you or anyone of us to say that they all weren’t? I’m not saying that I personally believe everything that I hear but it just has to make you think.
    In my humble opinion bush didn’t make it into Yale or into office on his own merit. Dear old dad had to help and donate a library.
    so i’m just saying think then act. and stop nepotism.

  • dani

    Wow that is interesting because everyone I have spoken to who is currently fighting in Iraq is actualy stating very different facts than those above. They actually say things are going pretty well. Most of the people there want us there. They are terrified we will leave. They no longer live micromanaged lives and enjoy far more freedoms and less threats. It is war, it is messy and scary and sad. Sometimes though it brings about positive change despite it’s negative connotations. Why do you think 80% of the military voted for Bush, despite being the ones whose lives are at risk? Because they believe in him and their work in Iraq. I DID the reasearch and that is how I firmly became a member of the American Right. Don’t believe what the liberal media tells you. It is always skewed like the exit polls.

  • Krogmonster

    Ah, I guess you probably would. ‘Course. 49% of the American people fall into one of those camps, or both, so shoot them too….

    49% of the vote is NOT 49% of the American people.

  • Jason

    Sorry Limburwulf, I guess I didn’t make my point well enough. I don’t necessarily think that fighting him is bad, I think it is more the method with which these websites and others employ to fight him that is misguided. Hatred will not usually bring people to your side, but is easily used as fodder against you. I can tell you right now that the title “Michael Moore Hates America” is silly. According to the (favorable) Ebert review it’s also inappropriate to the content of the movie. In terms of marketing it’s pretty much guaranteed there will be a large number of people that wont’ bother seeing it (I’m guessing roughly 48%, although I’m actually thinking about doing a double feature and watching both of them back to back). The people on this board and on the web who call Moore fat, liar, america-hater, anti-patriot, or whatever will do nothing to bring people in or convince people that he is wrong. To me it’s the same as liberal idiots who embarass me and my party by insulting our President-who I don’t think for a moment is either stupid or a liar- instead of trying logical arguments and pointing out facts. Far and away the best (and only) thing I’ve read that convinced me not to bother even seeing the film was the article by Kopel. What most people on these boards don’t point out is that Kopel fairly goes on to point out deceits by the Bush administration as well. (it’s all here for anyone who hasn’t read ALL of the article:
    http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm) They are both well thought out and decisive arguments. Facts, not posturing, are very effective.

  • veryretired

    This is the most bizarre thread, with the strangest collection of trolls, I have ever seen on this site.

    I haven’t witnessed this level of virulent lunacy on the part of the left since their halcyon days of the late ’60’s and early ’70’s. I suppose they’ll be waving little red books and chanting pretty soon.

    All these characters foaming at the keyboard just warms the heart of this aging anti-collectivist. Go nuts.

  • Ed

    The lefties are emasculating this country. You whiney liberals lack two faculties necessary for understanding what is going on in this world: (1) the ability to determine right from wrong (2) the balls to do anything about it if you did. This whole thing is very simple. I voted for the man who is the most hated by the evil people in this world. I voted for the man who is serious about killing the evil people. The fact that Mr. Bush is used as a recruiting tool for terrorists is NOT proof that he should be voted out; it’s proof that the American people did the right thing because his presence evokes fear and anger in the enemy. But lefties simply don’t get it.

    I can’t wait for a democrat to win so I can claim that He/She cheated so you jackasses will hear how stupid that sounds. They’ve been calling elections before all the votes were counted for the last 30 years, morons.

  • shihad

    (final Popular Vote results)

    Thankyou America… you have done the world proud

  • limberwulf

    I never said Bush was such a great President, and I was not even one of his voters, however, your information is very obviously flawed, therefore I am suspicious of its source. I have a great many friends on active duty, many in Iraq now and several who have returned. Moore’s films are decidedly false based on every single person I know who has been there themselves. These are not aquaintences, many of my military friends have been close to me for most of my life. I therefore place their credibility far higher than yours. Bush is the lesser of two evils, not perfect. His opponent was a poor one, and that is based on both his statements and his accomplishments.

    point well made, I respect your position.

  • whatjusthappened

    Latest from the sane america – your friend by Mr. Moore

    good news from Tuesday’s election.

    Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:

    1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.

    2. Bush’s victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
    Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

    3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults
    (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always
    wrong and you should never listen to them.

    4. In spite of Bush’s win, the majority of Americans still think the
    country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn’t worth fighting (51%), and don’t approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don’t try to figure this one out. It’s an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)

    5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the
    Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won’t be able to pack the
    Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say “if the Democrats do
    their job?” Um, maybe better to scratch this one.

    6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
    our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
    Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that’s a start. We’ve got most of the fresh water,
    all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
    lava. And no more show tunes!

    7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any
    old nut — a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
    May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.

    8. 88% of Bush’s support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will
    no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn’t such a long time! If
    you’re ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly
    golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.

    9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married
    in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won’t
    have to buy now.

    10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress,
    including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It’s always good to
    have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates

    11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!

    12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don’t want them to go away.

    13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3
    chambers in Tuesday’s elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
    legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the
    2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53
    chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47
    chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber
    (Montana House) is still undecided.

    14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than
    the one he’s having this week. It’s all downhill for him from here on out —
    and, more significantly, he’s just not going to want to do all the hard work
    that will be expected of him. It’ll be like everyone’s last month in 12th
    grade — you’ve already made it, so it’s party time! Perhaps he’ll treat the
    next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the
    ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn’t he? He’s already proved his
    point, avenged his father and kicked our ass.

    15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very
    dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two
    scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn’t ever need to pander to the
    Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear
    that he should spend these last four years building “a legacy” so that
    history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for
    too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and
    arrogant — and thus, reckless — that he will commit a blunder of such
    major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from

    16. There are nearly 300 million Americans — 200 million of them of voting
    age. We only lost by three and a half million! That’s not a landslide — it
    means we’re almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards
    to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of
    those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go
    home crying — especially when you get to start the next down on the three
    yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are

    17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the
    candidate dubbed “The #1 Liberal in the Senate.” That’s more than the total
    number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore.
    Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for
    a trend it should be this — that so many Americans were, for the first time
    since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has
    always been filled with evangelicals — that is not news. What IS news is
    that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact,
    that’s BIG news. Which means, don’t expect the mainstream media, the ones
    who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November
    2, 2004. In fact, it’s better that they don’t. We’ll need the element of
    surprise in 2008.

    Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, “My
    Romanian grandfather used to say to me, ‘Remember, Morton, this is such a
    wonderful country — it doesn’t even need a president!'”

  • Pete_London


    Just what I was thinking! This place has become very odd since the election. I think some of the regulars are sitting it out while the loonies blow off some steam. I wouldn’t mind if this was LGF but there are plenty here with no great love for Bush.


    Do you think its a bad thing if Bush had so many holidays? I hear that Moore alleged this so of course the claim is inherently dubious. We’ll go with it though. In saner times (i.e. when a few on this thread return to Kos and the Democratic Underground) you’ll find that frequent and extended holidays for politicians is a Good Thing and very much to be encouraged.

    Napoleon … I just can’t be bothered.


    It would appear to me, as a foreign observer, that given the inability of anyone to agree on what are being bandied around as “facts” – existence of WMDs’ in Iraq, vacation time taken by president Bush during his first term in office, numbers of deaths in Iraq since coalition occupation etc – that noone has the facts clear, including myself.
    Fortunately I am not a US citizen which means that I dion’t get my grubby little uninformed hands on a vote in the US.
    As for those who are in the good ship ignorance along with myself but did have the power to wield thier opinion on the 2nd of November: it seems to me that alot of voting decisions have been based on fear, confusion and misinformation of what the other guy stands for.
    As for arguing semantics as regards the use, or missuse, of the word “lie” in reference to the assertion of coalition that Iraq held WMDs’. A greater argument of semantics which I rarely hear addressed is the use of “terror” to describe terrorists, terrorism and terroist activities; including such terms as “agents of terrror” which is a phrase that must have been cunjured up in a moment of GOOD versus EVIL mythological fervour. The use of “terror” in these instances allows anyone who uses the term to create overexaggerated sinister image of terrorists (do not come screaming at me, I am not suggesting terror to be anything other than sinister), an almost inanimate cloud of evil that can descend at any moment, an ethereal force invading the hearts and minds of those not strong enough to resist ie those with lesser morals and virtues than GOOD people.
    With all this painting in broad strokes and primary colours it is of no suprise that so much time and energy is spent arguing about who was arrested for a DUI offence, who speaks French fluently or worse still who is sitting on his fat ass in deep depression.
    If you are going to recognise your right to vote, and I say right not privilege, and exercise it in the hope of having a leadership that reflects your own hopes and desires for your country and the world; please base that decision on something more concrete than popularity contests.

  • littlecaillou

    Here in Europe we believe Michael Moore is right, and we wonder why you hate him so. Afraid of the truth??
    If he’s fat ,it’s the case of many of you americans!
    You’ve lost the practise of democracy, you don’t listen to others’opinions. You’re the only “democratic” country where the votes were fraud. And that’s NOT an opinion, its a fact!
    More people in the world believe MM is right. Don’t forget and read more newspapers, please , or think more (i know its’ more difficult than acting)

  • EnemyOfTheState

    You Americans are amazing. Who appointed you to take it upon yourselves to force your will onto the rest of the world at the barrel of a gun. You unconditionally back Israels genocide against Palestinian men women and children, you murder more than 11,000 innocent Iraqi civilians and then you cry foul when thier friends families and countrymen take up arms to drive out the hordes of foreign aggressors. I think you all suck – politicians, military, “terrorists” and those who support all of their murderous and selfish actions. What makes Americas brand of murder, mayhem and terror more righteous than those of the “terrorists”? Both parties slay the innocent. Any who voted for Bush or support his genocidal rampage have the blood of thousands of Iraqi civilians and the many servicemen and women who have been stolen from this world, on their hands. America has an amazing potential to be a blessing to this world. If you took even a fraction of the money you spent on waging war and spent it on educating and developing the third world instead of trying to destroy it, then this planet would be a much better place.

  • caoimin

    littlecaillou – from one European to another – you need a few lessons in punctuation and also most intelligent people in Europe as in the US who have encountered this fat fraud see him as precisely that – Michael Crick, a well known BBC reporter known for left of centre views has denounced the “…intellectual dishonesty…” of Moore’s film, Fahrenheit 9/11.

  • Lies

    Dear Scott,

    Some facts for you:
    1) ever since the end of the cold war, US government has realized that terrorism would be the next challenge. The Bush Sr and Clinton administrations have made numerous efforts in order to better protect Americans at home, developing plans and methods to deal with possible attacks. The instancies involved got better funding, they were trained better, you name it.
    But when George Bush became president, one of the first things he did was to cut all that extra funding (despite warnings from his advisors). Looking back on it now: not a very good move, George!
    2) when the planes hit the WTC, most people who had been involved in developing a strategy against terrorists knew immediately that this was Al-Qeada. They knew this based on evidence they had received over the past few years (Osama’s name kept coming up in terrorist-cases as financial backer, supporter) and months (e.g. the fact that radical muslims had been taking flying lessons). This had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq or Saddam. Intelligence services told this to the president, but he urged them to “look into the connection with Iraq” So if CIA said that there was a link, it was on orders of the prez himself. In a matter of months, the enemy wasn’t Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda anymore, it was Saddam in Iraq. Truth is, the neocons had wanted to do something about Saddam for a long time and they saw the perfect opportunity. I think they misled the American people (aided by a surprisingly biased and uncriticizing media), knowing full well what they were doing. Or, to put it in other words, they lied. Bush getting reelected is disappointing, because it shows that if you spin it the right way and you have the right people (and enough money!!!) behind you, you can get away with everything. Would you get awy with something like that? I don’t think so!
    I sincerely hope the next four years won’t be as bad as the past four, but don’t hold your breath. I think America could be in for a big surprise, and not just on an international level. You’re gonna wake up one morning and discover that the land of the free suddenly isn’t so free anymore…
    Good luck (you’re gonna need it).

  • Pogo

    Hoo boy. No surrender from the left indeed. I hope they enjoy the next four years. Alcohol may be their best bet.

  • Joe

    Dear Mr. Moore,

    In case you didn’t notice, more people voted for Bush after “Fahrenheit 911” than in 2000. You should be proud of turning potential Kerry votes into votes for Bush. I used to like your documentaries until your obvious blind hatred of one man caused you to turn to the same lies and deceit that you used to condemn. We all know that your next documentary is going to be about election fraud. You’ll probably find that most of it is being perpetrated by the Democrats. Of course, that will just end up on the cutting room floor.

    Thank you for helping to create an angry an divided country for my children to live in.

  • dani

    This is absolute insanity. You want to be a democrat, good for you but how about discussing and debating with facts instead of name calling. For you to even insinuate that Michael Moore is telling the truth is absurd! Do you have any idea what propaganda is? If you saw Fahrenheit 911 try watching Fahrenhype 911 and then you will see the truth.

    I read up on liberalism and conservatism and chose what I believed to be the best. We are not trying to convert everyone to christianity but to give them more opportunities. This way they can succeed in their home countries, as I am sure they would prefer, instead of everyone swarming here (although they are welcome.) We want them to keep their traditions and build new ones. I am telling you from the words of those in Iraq. There are insurgents but they are few compared to the people excited to finally have a life.

    Imagine if Hitler had been stopped before instead of after the mass execution of innocent lives. That is what we did with Sadaam. We toppled a dictator who spent years raping and torturing his own people. Sorry if I do not see that as a bad thing.

    I am a republican and I am proud. You may have different beliefs and that is fine, just stop the name calling and insanity! And by the way, most actors are democrats so that dig was unjustified……

  • Jason

    “try watching Fahrenhype 911 and then you will see the truth”

    Sorry dani, but they both are false false false…Michael Moore has managed to group himself with Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter as a member of the “I’ll twist anything if it supports my cause” tribe, and they all need to be retired. If you want to argue about unfair propeganda, please be willing to do it both ways. Neither fahrenheit or fahrenhype were true. The liberals put out one, the conservatives answered with an equally biased view. How anyone takes Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Sean Hannity, and especially Ann Coulter seriously is beyond me. They are all puppets of their party with seriously skewed views and seriously flawed facts. As a democrat I’m surprised that you think our side invented name-calling…it’s been going on for years and Rush is a master of it. I guarantee you if anyone on our side was a liposuctioned, drug-addicted three time divorcee (not name-calling, just facts) we’d have a little soul-searching to do about how much we listened to him to begin with. I don’t approve of it from either side (and I have not and will not see either film for that reason), but as a democrat I deeply resent the implication that our side invented it. So, basically, it takes one to know one, nyahh, nyahh, nyahh.

  • John

    Oh my God! will you liberals just stop! You lost and you just can”t stand it! Moore’s B.S. cost you the election! The majority of Americans saw Moore and Kerry’s camp and got scared. he is a raving lunatic and it cost kerry the vote. It wasn’t Gay Marriage, or the war on terror as much as it was the fact that Americans hate radical psychopaths and it was stupid of Kerry to allow that piece of crap to side with him. Kerry should have distanced himself from Moore and the Hollywood types like anthrax! P.S. I voted for Bush. No one told me to vote for him…..Bush had no VOTE OR DIE Nazis in his camp.

  • Billy Bob

    No way John! It was those marriage-lovin’ homos wantin to get their babys aborted and take away our guns what cost them liberals the election! Them damn liberal elitist media types thinkin we want to watch crap where people are bettin about masturbating or wether or not they are worth birth control devices and that kind of sick crap that’s on my TV every day at 7. 7!! My kids aint even said theyse prayers for God to cure the homos by then! Praise Jesus and his intolerance! Show them homos the light!

  • dani

    Ah but having a lying, impeached, disbarred adulterer on your side sure didn’t seem to be a problem. What a great president. Like I said you are more likely to hear name calling from liberals in the mainstream. Despite the fact that it was proven (through analysis of military entrance exams) that Bush had an IQ slightly higher than Kerry, no one on our side called Kerry stupid. What is with the liberal name-calling anyways? Does it really accomplish anything other than people not listening to you?

  • Atel

    Did someone say Ohio is a lovely state earlier? I also have lived in Ohio for the past couple of years going to school and I have to say that Ohio is the absolute butthole of the nation. Poverty, immorality, and a whole lot of uneducated people.

  • Yes, Atel, that was me. Born and raised here in the Cleveland area. It IS a very lovely city. I went to school in Athens, and it’s beautiful, albeit isolated. The state has many, many strong points in its favor. If you hate it so much, why stay? Immorality? What, are people forcing you into the strip clubs? Proposing gay marriage? Do tell.

    And, Radio Prof…goodness. Check out the (updated) bottom of this post. That’s current, and that’s in Ohio. Serious voting machine problems galore.

  • un-united state

    November 7th, 2004 12:58 pm

    The Mirror

    THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four years and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air. And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and very small nation.

    This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their critics by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward towards the rest of humanity.

    And for a few hours early yesterday, when the exit polls predicted a John Kerry victory, it seemed they had.

    But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home. They had somehow managed to re-elect the most devious, blinkered and reckless leader ever put before them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.

    A self-serving, dim-witted, draft-dodging, gung-ho little rich boy, whose idea of courage is to yell: “I feel good,” as he unleashes an awesome fury which slaughters 100,000 innocents for no other reason than greed and vanity.

    A dangerous chameleon, his charming exterior provides cover for a power-crazed clique of Doctor Strangeloves whose goal is to increase America’s grip on the world’s economies and natural resources.

    And in foolishly backing him, Americans have given the go-ahead for more unilateral pre-emptive strikes, more world instability and most probably another 9/11.

    Why else do you think bin Laden was so happy to scare them to the polls, then made no attempt to scupper the outcome?

    There’s only one headline in town today, folks: “It Was Osama Wot Won It.”

    And soon he’ll expect pay-back. Well, he can’t allow Bush to have his folks whoopin’ and a-hollerin’ without his own getting a share of the fun, can he?

    Heck, guys, I hope you’re feeling proud today.

    To the tens of millions who voted for John Kerry, my commiserations.

    To the overwhelming majority of you who didn’t, I simply ask: Have you learnt nothing? Do you despise your own image that much?

    Do you care so little about the world beyond your shores? How could you do this to yourselves?

    How appalling must one man’s record at home and abroad be for you to reject him?

    Kerry wasn’t the best presidential candidate the Democrats have ever fielded (and he did deserve a kicking for that “reporting for doo-dee” moment), but at least he understood the complexity of the world outside America, and domestic disgraces like the 45 million of his fellow citizens without health cover.

    He would have done something to make that country fairer and re-connected it with the wider world.

    Instead America chose a man without morals or vision. An economic incompetent who inherited a $2billion surplus from Clinton, gave it in tax cuts to the rich and turned the US into the world’s largest debtor nation.

    A man who sneers at the rights of other nations. Who has withdrawn from international treaties on the environment and chemical weapons.

    A man who flattens sovereign states then hands the rebuilding contracts to his own billionaire party backers.

    A man who promotes trade protectionism and backs an Israeli government which continually flouts UN resolutions.

    America has chosen a menacingly immature buffoon who likened the pursuit of the 9/11 terrorists to a Wild West, Wanted Dead or Alive man-hunt and, during the Afghanistan war, kept a baseball scorecard in his drawer, notching up hits when news came through of enemy deaths.

    A RADICAL Christian fanatic who decided the world was made up of the forces of good and evil, who invented a war on terror, and thus as author of it, believed he had the right to set the rules of engagement.

    Which translates to telling his troops to do what the hell they want to the bad guys. As he has at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and countless towns across Iraq.

    You have to feel sorry for the millions of Yanks in the big cities like New York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco who voted to kick him out.

    These are the sophisticated side of the electorate who recognise a gibbon when they see one.

    As for the ones who put him in, across the Bible Belt and the South, us outsiders can only feel pity.

    Were I a Kerry voter, though, I’d feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets.

    The self-righteous, gun-totin’, military lovin’, sister marryin’, abortion-hatin’, gay-loathin’, foreigner-despisin’, non-passport ownin’ red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest dick in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land “free and strong”.

    You probably won’t be surprised to learn of would-be Oklahoma Republican Senator Tom Coburn who, on Tuesday, promised to ban abortion and execute any doctors who carried them out.

    He also told voters that lesbianism is so rampant in the state’s schools that girls were being sent to toilets on their own. Not that any principal could be found to back him up.

    These are the people who hijack the word patriot and liken compassion to child-molesting. And they are unknowingly bin Laden’s chief recruiting officers.

    Al-Qaeda’s existence is fuelled by the outpourings of America’s Christian right. Bush is its commander-in-chief. And he and bin Laden need each other to survive.

    Both need to play Lex Luther to each others’ Superman with their own fanatical people. Maybe that’s why the mightiest military machine ever assembled has failed to catch the world’s most wanted man.

    Or is the reason simply that America is incompetent? That behind the bluff they are frightened and clueless, which is why they’ve stayed with the devil they know.

    VISITORS from another planet watching this election would surely not credit the amateurism.

    The queues for hours to register a tick; the 17,000 lawyers needed to ensure there was no cheating; the $1.2bn wasted by parties trying to discredit the enemy; the allegations of fraud, intimidation and dirty tricks; the exit polls which were so wildly inaccurate; an Electoral College voting system that makes the Eurovision Song Contest look like a beacon of democracy and efficiency; and the delays and the legal wrangles in announcing the victor.

    Yet America would have us believe theirs is the finest democracy in the world. Well, that fine democracy has got the man it deserved. George W Bush.

    But is America safer today without Kerry in charge? A man who overnight would have given back to the UN some credibility and authority. Who would have worked out the best way to undo the Iraq mess without fear of losing face.

    Instead, the questions facing America today are – how many more thousands of their sons will die as Iraq descends into a new Vietnam? And how many more Vietnams are on the horizon now they have given Bush the mandate to go after Iran, Syria, North Korea or Cuba…?

    Today is a sad day for the world, but it’s even sadder for the millions of intelligent Americans embarrassed by a gung-ho leader and backed by a banal electorate, half of whom still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

    Yanks had the chance to show the world a better way this week, instead they made a thuggish cowboy ride off into the sunset bathed in glory.

    And in doing so it brought Armageddon that little bit closer and re-christened their beloved nation The Home Of The Knave and the Land Of The Freak.

    God Help America.

  • Snide

    un-united state: laughable. You take all those words to say ‘I don’t like Bush’ without ofering a single coherent argument as to why anyone else should see it your way. Please include a link to something you wrote before the war in Iraq decrying the Ba’athist’s 25 years of slaughter in that unhappy nation, which you presumably wish was still the case in Iraq today, before I put much credence in your great humanity. Pathetic.

  • un-united state

    snide. You misunderstood my rantings and have twisted them in great GOP style: Bush and co went into Iraq not to “liberate, democrasise -or should that be Americanise” they went in to find WMDs-or should that be Oil. If freeing Iraq was the main objective the the rest of the world would have been right there to help you – instead your dubious and unfounded (proven now) pre-emptive strike has helped to murder 100,000 innocent Iraq civilians, and there is no sign that the killings are going to slow down now.

    The Americans painted themselves into a corner. The mistakes that led to yesterday’s fighting in Fallujah were made long ago, in the invasion of Iraq and the woeful failure to administer the country that followed.

    The US could not stand by and do nothing as the country descended ever further into anarchy.

    The insurgents are able to operate at will, striking where and when they please. The wave of beheadings of Westerners and Iraqis who work for the West has wrecked any vestigial hope of rebuilding the country. The last aid agencies are fleeing.

    Unless the Americans were to admit defeat and leave – which they won’t, yet – they had to try to strike back at the insurgents.

    Fallujah is a microcosm of the problem the US has created in Iraq. The invasion has blurred the lines between the Islamic extremist movement – the likes of Zarqawi – and Iraqi nationalists protecting their land from foreign occupation. The “war on terror” has become hopelessly blurred with nationalist resistance against occupation.

    The chances are that most foreign militants will slip out of Fallujah and the Americans will find themselves fighting local Iraqis trying to defend their city. If the Americans were to strike it spectacularly lucky, they might kill or capture Zarqawi and other foreign militants, and manage to avoid inflicting heavy casualties. But the odds are against it. The likes of Zarqawi are probably long gone.

    Or the Americans may have another aim in mind: To respond to the nightmare videos of Westerners being beheaded in kind. They may feel “putting Fallujah to the torch”, as it has been described in the American press, will put the insurgents on notice that they can expect horror in exchange for horror.

    It is a familiar tactic from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and all it ever led to there was an endless cycle of killing

  • Judging from the aptly named snide’s many previous comments on this blog, I’d hazard a guess he is far from being a member of the GOP! Is he even American in fact? Not sure, would have to go back and look at some of his (?) comments again.

    Moreover I think he understood what you wrote just fine. Perhaps you might want to actually answer the points he raised and demonstrate your concern for Iraqi civilians by showing how much you cared when they were dying under the two and a half decades of Ba’athist rule that you would rather was still in place.

    I am sure you are not just using the deaths in Iraq for domestic American political reasons, right? It is not just cheap partisan politics, right? Right?

  • un-united state

    To be fair i did say ” in true GOP style”, not implying that he is GOP, rather that he has twisted the facts to suit the occasion – a botched invasion of a foreign country. and again i have never said that Saddam was a good man, or that the baathist party was doing a ‘bang up job’ over there. I did say however that the reason that the pseudo coalition went in to iraq was not to stop the dictatorship or for humanitarium reasons… IT WAS WMD was it not? or did i misunderstand bush, cheny and powell saying “SADDAM HAS WMD, we know he does” weren’t they in a turkey farm?

    So in rushing into Iraq – under FALSE pretenses – whether or not it was REALLY for oil, power, fear or just the cowboy culture that the USA was founded on… the administration has screwed up in their haste to “invade”, and that screw up has cost the lives of not only professional soldiers, but the innocent lives of a hundred thousand civilians.

    I have no partisan political agenda – as i too am not american, in fact i am very far from USA… which suits me fine being so safe here, far away from the madness you people live in – and voted to live in.

  • enemyofthestate

    I find it particularly amusing that all of you cretinous Bush supporters still want to say that the Iraqi civilians are better off without Saddam, that now they have freedom and democracy. Bush the Butcher of Baghdad and his card deck of Western war criminals, in less than 2 years, have managed to wipe out over 100,000 Iraqi civilians, compared to Saddams’ paltry total of just 300,000 over 30 years, thereby making Dubya the worst mass murderer we’ve seen sofar this century. Any human being with the slightest shred of concience and decency would be appalled at this heinous genocide. What does that then say about the 100 million plus people who voted this demon back into office after the wanton slaughter he’s perpetrated against unarmed men, women and children? Your country is lost and those who put Bush back into power are no longer fit to call themselves members of the human race. A quick study of history will reveal the fate of all those Imperialist nations who saw fit to subjugate and impose their wills upon nations weaker than themselves. All of their empires lie in ruins, their ashes have scattered to the winds and the greed and lust for power that drove and consumed their leaders now brings them little comfort as they burn in Hell for their crimes. When will you associate the fact that you are a terrorist target and the fact that the rest of the world hates your country because America thinks it has the right to do as it sees fit and f#*k the consequences? Wake up America before the judgement of the righteous nations of this earth burns your nation to the ground. Mere barbarians destroyed Rome. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that you will be spared the same fate.