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People who refuse to register for the government’s planned ID card scheme could face a “civil financial penalty” of up to £2,500, it has emerged.
David Blunkett said not making registering a criminal issue would avoid “clever people” becoming martyrs.
Got that, dickhead? That is what happens to people who try to be ‘clever’. We do not like clever bastards going around being all….clever. So just pack it in, right, otherwise you will be cruisin’ for a bruisin’. Are we clear, pissant? Because if not, its two-and-a-half grand and a punch in the face.
Now just piss off, mind your own bleedin’ business and do you as you are fucking well told.
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… and what is Mr. Blunkett planning to do with people who refuse to pay. I can see plenty of room for martyrdom when they start having to jail obstinant grannies for failing to pay. The council tax granny come to mind!
Lorenzo “… and what is Mr. Blunkett planning to do with people who refuse to pay.”
They will simply attach a debit to your wage packet, an established practice introduced, if I recall, by the Tories for divorced men and other trouble makers.
Well I for one would rather spend time in gaol, than submit to an Identity theft card like this. Over here on this side of the pond (Canada) our MPs are moving just as hard and fast to tag us all like cattle.
I swear the only way I’m getting one is as a prisoners card, or a death certificate. I’m already little more than a walking wallet to the bastards. This I will not stand for though….. bring on the jackbooted thugs.
So David
This begs the question.
Just how stupid does our Home Secretary wish us to be?
If they can find you to fine you then what need an ID card?
“Your honor, these fuckwads found me, didn’t they?”
What I find strange is that, with the right connections, all it takes is a few lawyers, an internet connection, and a phone, and…voila! You can pinpoint anyone (in America, at least), find their bank account information, their last transaction, their marital status, and their address, email, phone number, AND Social Security number.
I’m not sure if this works elsewhere, but I do recall a Reader’s Digest article written by a man who tried this, and proved it. He tracked down himself, without providing anyone his personal information, and what was returned to him was indeed correct.
Knowing full well, that we can already be pinpointed by the government, national I.D. at this point is just socialistic semantics, an attempt to make us all fear the state and its seemingly increased power.
How about when cards become compulsorary we all go down the tatoo parlour and get the number tatooed on our arms in the national-socialist style.
Or just get henna tatoos of the numbers to make a point.
BTW has anyone in the media actually asked Big Blunkett how ID cards for citizens will prevent terrorism? Or are they gambling that the form entry “Occupation: Global Terrorist (Y/N)” will be enough to tip them off?
The alternative is to instead of getting one ID card, get several and rotate.
“Knowing full well, that we can already be pinpointed by the government, national I.D. at this point is just socialistic semantics, an attempt to make us all fear the state and its seemingly increased power.”
While this is undoubtedly true, it is one of two principles that apply to this situation. The other, which was pointed out to me by my wife, is what she called the “Dog Pound Principle”. If you walk through the pound where the dogs caught by the dog catcher are kept before being killed, you will notice that there is a predominance of friendly, docile and amiable animals and a dearth of ferocious, aggressive ones.
She had worked as a bureaucrat for a time in a completely different area of government in which, she assured me, the amiable docile people were also put through the wringer, while the more obnoxious angry ones were generally overlooked.
I suspect that it is the same with most government operations. In the case of ID cards, this will result in intense harassment of those citizens who are cooperative, and little or no effect on the terrorists who are the excuse for imposing the damn things.
On a related, but slightly different topic, I have noticed a slight shift in the propaganda being used to sell Big Brother to the electorates. These measures were being pushed ” to stop Terrorists”. Lately, I notice that they have changed to being required “to stop Terrorists and Criminals”. I suppose next they will be needed for (lower case c)riminals, then what? People who show Poor Citizenship?
Or perhaps that will not be necessary. Once we define something as a crime -smoking, hate speech, promotion of environmental damage or whatever crime-de-jour fits, well, then it IS a crime and the perpetrators are Criminals (as in Terrorists and Criminals). We can find ’em with the ID cards and keep the public weal safely protected.
And the rest of us shouldn’t worry. After all, if we are not committing any crimes, then we have nothing to worry about. And if we are very very careful about what we think and say, committing crime will be easy to avoid.
There is a report that Junkett wants to give the police powers to “stop and scan” suspects for “biometric” data, including fingerprints , facial and iris scans.
Religious objections anybody?
I was thinking of showing him my phone card,he’ll never know.
Blunkett is a very chilling fellow, as are all the lefty fascists so beloved of the Little Father. Blunkett’s moving pretty fast for a blind man. He must have got a greyhound as a seeing eye dog.
Pham – You have the right attitude, but I don’t know how far it will get you. As to fines, as someone perspicacious noted above, as not carrying an ID card will be a crime against the government, not society, they will simply attach your paycheque or pension. No probs.
As to the craven excusing Muslim women (but not the British indigenes, who really have a stake in Britain and maintaining its freedoms) the “British” sister of a “British” suicide bomber has said she encouraged him and told him this was no time to be weak. This pile of ambulatory lump of merde will be excused having her picture taken.
This signals loud and clear that ID were never about terrorism (and still wouldn’t be acceptable even if they were), but about control of a bovine populace.
Oh look, Blunkett thinks I’m clever. How kind of him. Mind you, it has been a while since I last heard a politician trying to encourage the populace to mistrust these dangerous intellectuals.
If I was paranoid, I might start to take all the attention that SOB has focussed on me (through his policies) personally…
If these are introduced, I intend to forge them. I might make a new forge to do it, so I don’t muck up my main one with molten plastic. Also, I see they have managed to drag themselves into the 20th century with the use of smartcards – these tend not to tolerate the use of piezo spark igniters too well. Having said that, if the driving licence is anything to go by, we will probably be obliged to carry our DNA sequence in paper form as well as the card.
Maybe we should start a fund (charity?) to help people who don’t want the ID card to pay the 2500UKP fine?
And what happens *after* you pay the fine? Does HM Government go away?
What seems interesting here is not so much the requirement for the ID card, as the fact that the government is now at (long past!?) the point where it CAN declare such a requirement.
It would seem to me that the challenges of a free society include, for example, arranging things so that safety and prosperity are promoted without the need for personal ID – at least, of the mandatory, government-issued kind. Or conducting domestic policy so as to lessen the impetus for crime, and foreign policy so as to lessen the impetus for terrorism, rather than ratcheting down the law and filling the prisons, or locking down the border and going to war with “illegal aliens.” Where are the true patriots and visionaries who want to work with us to meet the challenge of liberty?
I have to think that the elected officials either don’t know what liberty is, or they fear and loathe it. I am sure that the general population doesn’t understand liberty, or they’d run the current pack of political parasites out on rails, tarred and feathered. In any case, it is clear that we think that, by giving up liberty — even the freedom to conduct one’s affairs and go about in anonymity — we think we can purchase convenience and safety. History tells us that such purchases can’t be made. So what makes us think that the bad bargain will turn out right THIS time? Blind optimism?
We cannot let a generation grow up, thinking of the current state of the state as “normal.” If we cannot roll back the power of the state to demand things like ID cards, we can at least resist often and vigorously, so that nobody can get the idea that this arrangement is either acceptable or normal.
Asked whether members of the Royal Family would be required to apply for a card if compulsion is introduced, Mr Blunkett said: “We are all subjects and citizens.”
Err… Who is the Queen a subject of?
Gawain – As well as all his other many failings, Blunkett is a history and civics ignoramus. There are no “subjects” in Britain and haven’t been for quite some time. Our passports read “Citizen of the United Kingdom” etc.
Hence his dislike of “intellectuals” much like Mao Tse Tung.
Man, sounds like you guys are well and truly F’d.
Hope you figure it out so we’ll know what to do when the Bureaucraps try pushing it here, too.. ))-‘pb
Does anyone know what issue of readers digest the article on national ID cards was in? The only thing I know about it is it’s at least 10 to 15 years old. I’ve emailed the Editor of RD…but I’m not holding my breath.
Thanks for any help you could provide.
Carina
BTW I live in the US