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Remembrance At this precise hour and date two years ago an event changed history and seared eternal anger into the American soul. This flash multimedia presentation is the best remembrance I have found to date. It came out shortly after and I have from time to time reminded people of it.
I cannot seem to get to the original web site for it at the moment. For the time being I’ve placed a copy on our server. Make sure you have tissue handy when you watch and listen. If you are an American, you will need them.
On some far star a millennium hence, our descendants will pause and remember this date.
We will never forgive and we will never forget.
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Thank you. This is the best.
Its here now. Sorry, dont link well.
http://www.ushostnet.com/gulfwar/911attack.swf
We all will remember & never forget.
They wanted to kill en masse.
They also wanted to hit the best qualities you can find in the USA: grace, optimism, energy, dynamism, ambition & hope, all of those perfectly embodied in the powerfully elegant towers.
They finally brought about confusion, disarray & war among nations.
This too should be remembered & never forgotten.
Thank you for directing us to such a moving tribute. It touched me to see a picture of my neighbor, Sandy Bradshaw, who was one of the heroes of Flight 93. I am very proud of her and the other heroes of that day. I thank the Samizdata team for not forgetting this important anniversary.
Thank you.
I appreciate your comments about this incident, and about the need for tissues when watching the presentation, which was very powerful. However, I find my eyes are dry. Not because the grief and anger are gone, but because they have gone cold.
It is the coldness that brought about Midway, and the Coral Sea, and Operation Torch, Sicily, Salerno, Overlord, and the Bulge. It is the coldness of Tarawa, and Iwo Jima, and the Marriannas Turkey Shoot . It is the coldness that flamed Tokyo, and sent Hiroshima and Nagasaki to hell.
It is the coldness that Eisenhower showed to the Nazi generals when he would not even enter the same room with them or accept their salute. It is the coldness of McArthur when he orderd the Japanese officials to sign at the places indicated.
I realize it is hard to understand for those whose first impulse is to surrender, and more, to cooperate with evil, but this situation will not be resolved by acquiescence, or collaboration.
It will be resolved by the sword, until the last drop of blood shed on that day has been avenged.
And then, perhaps, those who did not understand the meaning of Yamamoto’s comment after Pearl Harbor will once more be enlightened, and we will be left alone for awhile. One can only hope.
Thank you very much. It’s really appreciated.
I’d like to encourage folks to remember all the victims, world-wide, of the Islamonazis. There’s about 30 countries having problems and people are suffering terribly.
I’m not trying to detract from the US’ victims, but to recognize we have been caught in an undeclared and unacknowledged world war. Some countries are suffering with little attention being paid. This is a shame.
Thank you, Dale. Not just for remembering 9/11, but for reminding us of who our real friends are.
Thanks for the reference. I had seen it before, and I watched it again today (and have linked to this from my web). That Flash link is to one of the most powerful and moving media presentations ever made. Like Schindler’s List, it reminds of the humanity of those who have been lost, and the inhumanity of the barbarians always ready to attack.
They have threatened to attack again, and make us forget 9-11. We will never forget! If they do something worse, they will see the tiger finally unleashed, and as veryretired said before, they should look to World War II to see what we can and will do. Nothing will get in the way of our vengeance and our eradication of the evil people and ideas that cause this.
They can no longer hide behind innocents, because in this war, there are no innocents. As George Bush said, there are two sides: You are with us, or you are against us. And if you are against us, we will have no qualms killing you if it will save one American life.
They didn’t think we would capture Afghanistan, imagining that their victory over the Soviets meant anything. They didn’t expect us to easily destroy a sympathetic and terrible regime, putting our forces in the middle of their evil realm. They have no idea of our capabilities.
In World War II, we had 20% of our population under arms. Today, that would be an army of 60 million angry Americans. Nuclear armed angry Americans. They haven’t learned their lesson, and we are not through paying the price of teaching them. But in the end, we will be victorious, and they and their pathetic ideas will be nothing but ashes.
Merci for your kind words, Kodiak.
However, Le Monde doesn’t seem to agree w/you.
For those of you who want to see this cartoon, you can link via Andrew Sullivan’s blog, andrewsullivan.com.
BTW, Kodiak, Andrew has thousands of readers. We are paying attention. I don’t think your compatriots understand that.
Sandy: Normal people everywhere understand. It is only the media types who do not. They are just as bad here in the UK.
Sandy P,
Le Monde is one thing: a business.
What I do feel is mine, & no one else’s, even if I will always fight US flaws (& French flaws also).
Thank you anyway for those nice words of yours.
Shan’t be forgotten.
veryretired,
I very much respect your point of view (that I don’t share) because there’s much dignity in it.
I won’t quibble.
Your point of view is a warrior’s one. Not a diplomat’s one. We need both, needn’t we?
Hi veryretired,
I’m only an unretired Englishman, but I’d carry a rifle in your platoon, should the time come, anytime. We will prevail, indeed. Or die trying.
Rgds,
AndyD
Last September 11, Perry had a post called “The real England speaks.” The post contained photos of remembrance signs posted on the doors of pubs, shops, etc. in London. I was moved by the number of signs and posters. I’m curious to know whether the same phenomenon has occurred this year.
veryretired + Andy Duncan,
I’m a French officer of the reserve. I don’t share your point of view. Action is required, certainly. Thinking, too, is wanted.
“Your point of view is a warrior’s one. Not a diplomat’s one. We need both, needn’t we?
Absolutely not.
“Find the enemy, and shoot him down. Anything else is nonsense.” (Manfred von Richthofen)
Anyone who understands this is a comrade. Anyone who disputes it or balks is dismissed.
Regardless of intent, there will be no arguing in this chapel.
Kodiak,
Nice words, for once.
As to diplomacy – you need diplomacy to deal with the French, but for the terrorists – the only effective thing is bombs and bullets. Don’t mix up the two.
Billy Beck,
100 % with you.
But who’s the enemy? Where is he? What about “collateral damage”? What about the future?
I daresay I’m not dismissed.
Jacob,
Yes you undoubtly need it.
But how are you gonna determine, target, estimate, asssess?
US intelligence is very good. Mossad is perfect. UK is all right. French intelligence might help too.
I understand the urge for immediate retaliation is deep-seated in the USA. Still sang froid is badly needed. Co-operation is priceless. Project-managing is definitely what we need, rather than mutual insults.
Can’t you just trust others before going all alone?
Thank you, Mr. Amon. I had not seen that presentation before today, and it helped my own resolve.
Thank you as well, “veryretired”. This is not an emotional task we have at hand, but a cold, hard war.
War is not a debate. That time will come later. Let the revisionists complain and rewrite history long after those who fought the war are no longer able to defend their actions. It will not matter, they will have made the world a better place. For now, there is a determined and evil foe to fight and frightened allies that must be led, not coaxed.
War is upon us, none can deny it. It is not the choice of the Government of the United States, but of a faction; the Government was forced to accept the issue, or to submit to a degradation fatal and disgraceful to all the inhabitants. In accepting war, it should be ‘pure and simple’ as applied to belligerents. I would keep it so, till all traces of the war are effaced; til those who appealed to it are sick and tired of it, and come to the emblem of our nation, and sue for peace. I would not coax them, or even meet them half-way, but make them so sick of war that generations would pass away before they would again appeal to it.”
William T. Sherman, letter to General H.W. Halleck, September 17, 1863, in William Tecumseh Sherman, Memoirs of William T. Sherman, p.364
Odd how a guy dead for 110 years gets it and so many who lived through the event dont
sorry for posting all of that; this is where i found it
http://www.firstfederaldivision.com/archived_messages.htm
Kodiak,
“Co-operation is priceless.”
Agreed. The more the pity that the French choose to cooperate with Saddam.
“Can’t you just trust others before going all alone?”
You can trust some people, but others will let you down in the worst moment.
“But how are you gonna determine, target, estimate, asssess?”
The best you can.
Kodiak, Le Monde is a business which caters to its clientele. Isn’t also the #1 paper in france? Doesn’t matter, Le Figaro and Liberation do it, too, but coming from a country which severely fines any swipe at the president, treating him/her like a king…….
What you fail to realize is france’s reputation preceeds it.
First w/our Revolution, read the bio of John Adams. The way of thinking hasn’t changed. (And did “New Europe find out when Chiraq opened mouth and inserted feet.” I read on a blog that france coined the term “Americanization” during or after our Civil War. If true, they were perceptive.
During my own time, DeGaulle, Libya, Bosnia and for all Americans to see, the UN including that blatant moneygrab over lifting sanctions on Libya. And considering france would not let us use their airspace then, and it was never really said which country/ies denied us flyover rights for Afghanistan.
Diplomacy has been going on since the 90s. The 90s and the 20th century are over. It is now time for substance over superficial. We are at war with fascists in turbans who, with tacit acknowledgement from Old Europe, want to complete the job that Old Europe started, and eradicate western civilization. And what does Old Europe want to do??? Jaw-Jaw. Like they did before. It didn’t work then; jaw-jawing instead of confronting the problem cost most probably millions more lives.
It is a cancer which must once again be cut out. phrawnce has chosen to be part of the problem, not the solution.
Besides, phrawnce is going to have its hands full w/Estonia, Sweden and possibly Britain trying to meld the counterweight to the hyperpuissance(sp). Euro’s not looking good there.
And stop this “rush to war” nonsense. It’s been 2 years.
Andy, Thank you for your consideration and continued remberance for all that Sept.11 has come to mean for freedom fighters. Bright blessings.
This flash presentation still enrages me. The images of those people falling from the towers, and the Palestinians celebrating will be burned into my memory forever.
I will never forgive the Islamic Fanatics and I will never forget. I will do all I can to support their total and complete destruction.
This is *very* unimpressive: ‘On some far star a millennium hence, our descendants will pause and remember this date’ — mawkish, tendentious, absurd, self-serving and faintly embarrassing. ‘Get over yourselves already’ is the only appropriate response here.
The attacks on America in 2001 were and are small beer historically. The sum total of Bin Laden’s achievements (for that is whose door anything held to issue from 9/11 must be laid at) are: the overthrow of the previous regime in Afghanistan, and, the acceleration of the campaign against Iraq. Neither of these things is especially important (what? who rules Kabul matters? or, Saddam actually was a threat? grow up).
This ludicrous hyperbole smacks more of emotional self-indulgence and preening moral vanity than it does of anything else. Truly, a pathetic, bathetic sentence, and to the diserved discredit of its author.
“This ludicrous hyperbole smacks more of emotional self-indulgence and preening moral vanity than it does of anything else.”
Tell that to the people who lived through it and who lost friends and family members.
You must be a real joy to be around.
They didn’t think we would capture Afghanistan, imagining that their victory over the Soviets meant anything. They didn’t expect us to easily destroy a sympathetic and terrible regime, putting our forces in the middle of their evil realm. They have no idea of our capabilities.
While I agree in principle. It is worth remembering that the Soviet Invasion was pretty sucessful. The problems only came later.
I don’t think the problems will come in this regard, but we cannot afford to forget about Afganistan.
The attacks on America in 2001 were and are small beer historically.
We won’t know until we see how the story ends, likely some years hence. The impact of an historic event isn’t measured by its body count, but by all the subsequent events it sets in motion. See Ferdinand, Franz.
I would agree that tinkly piano music poorly suits my own feelings on the subject. My abiding reaction to September 11 is an overwhelming rage, and shame that we let ourselves be caught out so easily. Well enough. Anger has better staying power than sentimentality.
paul.horgan@bbc.co.uk, eh? And what do you do for Auntie, Mister Horgan?
Proud to have you at our side. Brings tears to my eyes.
My grand parents came from Russia and Rommania at the beginning of the last century. Through America we joined the proud family of British institutions which now make the core of the civilized world.
Keep liberty alive. And spread it.
Sandy P,
So you think Europeans are suicidal? France didn’t wait for the USA to discover the true face of terrorism to fight against Islamism or rogue States. You want France to contemplate some of her citizens as a cancer just because they are Muslims or even have a patronym that sounds Arabic? That’s impossible. Wanton vilification yields nothing but injustice. The right thing to do is eradicate Islamofascism & it’s been in progress well before 11 September. I suppose you’ve heard about a country called Algeria where the 25-year-old war on terrorism is at least as crucial as in Afghanistan. Algeria has always had a special connection with France. So, yes, French officials are pretty much aware of terrorism & they are not surrending. Quite the contrary. Terrorist cells have been steadily dismantled in France, Algeria & Morocco. A 9/11-type attack on Paris was successfully thwarted in 1995. Moreover the French didn’t create, finance & support Ben Laden ever. Not in the 80s, not in the 90s, not today & certainly not tomorrow either. Islamophobic hysteria isn’t a very smart way to fight Islamofascism efficiently. Finishing Dad’s work isn’t either.
It’s like a bunch of children bickering in church. Kodiak, you have been well behaved and some others have been baiting you here mercilessly. To them I say take it to another thread. There are plently. Don’t profane a remembrance with pettiness.
Kodiak,
France, a once great nation, had first hand experience in fighting – first against communist barbarians in Vietnam, then against Arabs in Algeria.
She fought valiantly a little, then she was beaten and she folded.
I hope that today it’s security services and intelligence are collaborating in the war against Islamic fanatics – unlike her corrupt and idiotic President.
It’s not just Americans who will need tissues… I have no personal connection to the events of two years ago, and still every reminder gives my heart a twist.
Thank you for this – it is wonderful. It reminds me why I am so angry at all those who would take us down.
As for those of you who think that 9/11 was of no importance to the world – think again.
Start cleaning up your cites/banlieus. Some of your citizens are a cancer. And we *the world* wouldn’t have had to live through what we *the world* did if we had realized it.
You haven’t had success in absorbing them.
Depending how far phrawnce pushes us will depend on how much is released as to phrawnce’s complicity in Iraq.
Don’t you want to know where the oil-for-food money went?
Or whatever came out, would you consider it business as usual?
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Dale, over 200 people made the decision to jump instead of being burned alive. And when we asked for help we were told non unless they got to run everything. That’s not being petty, that is a part of what we’re remembering. And that non continues to this day.
I am glad, tho, a UN agreement was made to lift sanctions on Libya.
Merci.
Sandy P.,
Lybie: Merci? Mais de rien, c’est tout naturel entre gens de bonne volonté…
Banlieues: instead of telling us which French is a cancer or a decent person, please take your besom & sweep first your own jungle-like, criminogene, no-life, hellish downtowns.
Oil money: I’d be delighted to get full information about the dollars & WMD that Rumsfeld has fastidiously been offering to Saddam during at least 10 years. Did you keep the receipt somewhere?
France’s complicity (!!!) >>> try water next time…
Kodiak: US intelligence is very good. Mossad is perfect. UK is all right. French intelligence might help too.
Other nations would have to be insane to share intelligene with the French state. These are the people who have tipped off mass murdering war criminals Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic when attempts were made to arrest them, both of whom live under de facto French protection in Bosnia. Likewise, the French state worked tirelessly to keep the Ba’athist tyranny in power in Iraq, so regarding the French state as an ally in any shape or form is preposterous.
Sandy P.,
Your repeated references to “Phrawnce” are quite silly. At least “Kodiak” never resorts to such _simplismes_
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As for my old sci.space.policy buddy Dale Amon, I think your suggestion that ‘our descendants will still remember’ a thousand years from now is rather misguided. Or at least I *hope* so, because the only ones who still react emotionally to crimes that happened almost a millennium ago are “Islamofascists” and extreme nationalists such as our old friend Mr.Milosevic.
Surely we are better and more sensible than these misguided individuals?
MARCU$
Marcus: I didn’t try for subtle distinctions in a eulogy, but I’ll try to explain what I meant, as they relate to areas we are both familiar with.
Let’s start with a couple of assumptions/facts:
1) A thousand years is indeed a long time.
2) Either the USA still exists then, or if it got nearly wiped out by the asteroid strike in 2631, then the Merkin race has resettled in a new homeland in the asteroid belt where they continue their quaint 1st and 2nd Amendment traditions.
3) There is still a technological civilization at no less than today’s level.
Given those, we can be fairly certain of a number of things:
1) The American (or Merkin?) history course in Ancient History will include key events that happened around the same time, like the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the Revolution, the Civil War, the Moon Landing and 911.
2) Kids will study the event and will at the very least see the high quality archive film of the whole event, from every angle. Digital storage is forever. 911 is NOW, forever. They might be able to enter full-sensory holographic reconstructions of the day to better understand it.
3) Those who did it may be forgotten; their religion might not even be around then (everyone might be a Baha’i or a Scientologist or that new religion from the Epsilon Indi colony), but the horror of it will be plain to see. It will be engraved deeper and deeper into Merkin culture as generation after generation goes by.
Now for a bit of levity. If I were a kid in 3001, I’d probably be asking the following questions:
1) Why didn’t the WTC laser defense system shoot down the spaceships before they rammed?
2) Why did the building need such thick metaloceramic beams to support it and how could a mere 5000K fire damage them?
3) Those falling people. Did the spaceships do something that made all of their AGrav belts stop working?
4) Why did the firetrucks sit on the ground? Shouldn’t they have flown up there and put the fire out? The same with the ambulances. Why didn’t they go up there and save those people?
5) Couldn’t they have just put a floater over top and held the buildings up until they got around to fixing them?
> Kids will study the event and will at the very
> least see the high quality archive film of the
> whole event, from every angle.
OK — I stand corrected.
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Obviously, the Battle of Boyne(sp), the Crusader sacking of Jerusalem or the 1389 Serbian defeat in Albania are not available on video.
MARCU$
Uh. People do forget rather easily, I’m afraid. The eighth of May seems less remembered each passing year.