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Augustine

The Western Roman Emperor Valentinian I (364-375 AD) refused to intervene in theological controversies “It is not right for me, a layman, to meddle in such things. Let the bishops whose business it is meet by themselves wherever they like”.

Valentinian tolerated all sects of Christian (bar the Manichees) and even allowed the traditional pagan rituals to take place in the Senate House in Rome – the alter of Victory remained in place, and the Vestal Virgins and the other ancient Roman priesthoods continued.

Valentinian was not a half hearted Christian – he had been an open Christian during the time of the pagan Emperor Julian (when being a Christian was not exactly a good strategy for promotion).

Nor was Valentinian a kindly man – for example he had men who tried to dodge conscription burned alive.

It was simply that religious toleration was a perfectly respectable point of view for a Christian in Valentinian’s time.

The other point of view (that at least non Christians should be persecuted) was widely held also – for example by the powerful Ambrose, Bishop of Milan. Valentinian’s own brother (the Emperor of the East – Valens) persecuted Christians that held to a different point of view to himself (as Valens was an Arian this meant persecuting people who held what later became the mainstream point of view). But the matter was not clear cut – one could be a Christian in good standing and not support persecution. Only a few years later the idea that the ruler should not lay down what people believed and that pagans and heretics should not be persecuted would have been held to be absurd by most theologians and rulers. This continued to be the mainstream view till at least the 17th century and it was only in the 18th century that most Roman Catholic and Protestant theologians came towards the view that they should tolerate each other.

What had happened?

I hold that it was the vast prestige that the writings of St. Augustine were held in that explains the matter. Augustine had justified persecution (in his case of the Donatist Christians) Augustine was the greatest theologian of all time – so (for most people) that settled the matter. When the Protestant Reformation came it did not mean religious toleration because the Protestant theologians (such as Luther and Calvin) were at least as devoted to Augustine as the Roman Catholics were.

Nor was this Augustine’s only negative influence. Augustine practically invented (certainly did more than anyone else to make mainstream) the revolting doctrine of ‘predestination’. Under this doctrine how a man acts in his life does not affect his chances of going to heaven. Human beings were, by definition, so vile that nothing they could do would improve their chances – they all deserved to be damned for all eternity.

God (according to Augustine – with, I admit, some support form the Book of Revelation, whilst ignoring most of the rest of the Bible) has selected certain people from the begining of time to save and their being saved is nothing to do with any merit – as human beings can have no merit.

True Augustine pushed this doctrine to counter the British theologian Pelagius, who Augustine (perhaps falsely) held stressed free will so much as to deny divine grace (i.e. that people could make themselves perfect, or could work their way into heaven without any need of God), but the effects of this doctrine of predestination were terrible.

People understood from the doctrine that reason and moral effort were meaningless, that the ways of God were arbitrary and nothing to do with reason – and that human beings were vile and would always not just be not perfect, but would always be utterly vile and those of the slave owing, child raping crew (that is humanity) that went to heaven rather than to hell were selected at random, or at least by some process outside human understanding. Not so much “justification by faith” (for it is not the choosing to be a Christian that saves someone according to predestination), but “justification by who knows what”.

This may not have been Augustine’s intention, but this was the logical conclusion of the doctrine he spread. And as the early Protestant theologians (especially Calivn, but Luther also) were devoted to Augustine the Protestant reformation of a thousand years later did not mean the breaking down of the doctrine (although the later Lutherians did break with it).

St. Augustine was consistent. Just as he used his vast reasoning powers to deny reason in the area of religion (“that bastard reason” as Luther put it), thus committing treason against the mind, so he also denounced scientific thought.

For example ideas that the world was very ancient (according to Augustine) should be crushed – because they went against the Bible.

Only a tiny fraction of the literature of the classical world has come down to us. And whilst it is true that the Church was the great preserver of classical writings, it is also true that there were periods when the Church destoyed writings thought of as anti-Christian – and when they burnt the books they had the prestige of Augustine to justify their actions.

It is not true that either the ‘dark ages’ or the ‘middle ages’ were free from intellectual enquiry (far from it), but the forces of ignorance and persecution had the prestige of Augustine to support them at every turn.

Objections.

“But Augustine is a saint, so he must have been a good man”.

Cyril of Alexandria was also made a saint (indeed he was honoured  by Pope Leo XIII as recently as the late 19th century) and he was a revolting man. He ‘won’ a debate against a rival (Nestorius) by having the rival’s tongue removed and then saying that ‘divine worms’ had come down from heaven and ate it whilst it was still in his rival’s mouth. Cyril also indulged in all forms of bribery and corruption, organised a pogrom against the Jews and caused the pagan philosopher and mathematician Hypatia to be dragged from her chariot, stripped naked and skinned alive on the high altar – this seems rather more like a sexually perverted ‘black mass’ straight from a horror film then anything a Christian should be proud to be involved in.

“Augustine was a great thinker and inspired many other great thinkers”.

Karl Marx is also widely held to have been a great thinker and to have inspired many other great thinkers – that does not mean that Marxism is true.

“Michael Oakeshott held that Augustine was a defender of civil association”.

Michael Oakeshott also held that Thomas Hobbes, Jean Bodin, Sir William Petty and many other supporters of tyranny were defenders of civil association. Michael Oakeshott was indeed a great man who had many great and true ideas – but he is a dangerious guide to the history of political thought.

Oakeshott correctly states that (for example) Thomas Hobbes held that the alternative to the state was chaos were no man’s goods or life would be safe. But this does not make Hobbes a defender of civil association. There is no attempt anywhere in Hobbes’ writings to limit the power of the state – no constitutional ideas and no theory of resistance.

Indeed the whole point of Hobbes’ writings is to get people to submit to the state (to avoid civil strife yes, but the state is in no way limited to just preventing civil strife). To Hobbes the rulers can do what they like and there is nothing we should try and do about it, he is an a defender of the all mighty state state – and was understood as such.

Oakeshott loved to get writers such as Hobbes (supporters of tyranny) and present them as defenders of freedom (what would be the point of presenting Hobbes as a defender of tyranny – anyone could do that, only a powerful thinker could present the opposite case, just as only a truly powerful thinker can present the case that Alexander Haig was a great general during the first World War – John Terraine has done exactly this).

To present Augustine as a defender of civil association is false. Certainly he did not express much interest in government economic planning (unlike, say, Sir William Petty he had other concerns). But there is little in Augustine about constitutional government (he may, as Oakeshott points out, use some of the language of Cicero – but he is no follower of Cicero). Indeed Augustine even has ‘positive’ ideas for government himself – such as his support for government welfare provision.

“Augustine was guided by the holy sprit and therefore can not have been a force for evil”.

For libertarians who are atheists the above will not seem a strong argument. However, for those people who are not atheists I would say the following.

By their fruits shall you know them – you know this. I am not saying that everything Augustine wrote was wrong (let alone evil), or even that all the consequences of his writings were evil.

Nor am I saying that Augustine was an evil man. Indeed even when he justified the persecution of the Donatists it should be remembered that they were in favour of persecuting the mainstream church people.

Nor am I defender of the idea that reason can do everything, or that people can transform the objective facts of their lives by the “power of positive thinking” (or other such emotional uplift). Anyone who knows me would testify that I am a grim minded man with, if anything, far too strong an idea of the darkness of human life in this world and the limits of what many (indeed perhaps most) people can do to improve their lives.

What I am saying is that Augustine was sometimes mistaken and that the consequences of some of the doctrines he defended were bad.

If you can refute what I say by using the reason that God has given you please do so – if not, do not hide behind the evasion that people who win theological disputes and have a lot of influence must have been guided by the holy spirit in everything they wrote. To do this does not just insult human reason, it insults God as well.

14 comments to Augustine

  • Nor was this Augustine’s only negative influence. Augustine practically invented (certainly did more than anyone else to make mainstream) the revolting doctrine of ‘predestination’. Under this doctrine how a man acts in his life does not affect his chances of going to heaven. Human beings were, by definition, so vile that nothing they could do would improve their chances – they all deserved to be damned for all eternity.

    God (according to Augustine – with, I admit, some support form the Book of Revelation, whilst ignoring most of the rest of the Bible) has selected certain people from the begining of time to save and their being saved is nothing to do with any merit – as human beings can have no merit.

    Go read John 10 and Romans 9.

  • Jon

    Aaron is absolutely right, predestination is a doctrine found in other places in the Bible – most notably Romans. In fact, this is the first time I’ve heard of Revelations being used as a supporting text for predestination.

    28And we know that in all things God works for the good for those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of the Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those he predestined, he also called, those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
    –Romans 10:28-30

    Secondly – I’ll admit I’m not very well aquainted with Augustine’s works, but I have always been led to believe that The City of God was one of the founding texts on separation of church and state – render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, render unto God what is God’s. I’ve only read the first few chapters of this book though, so I can’t say for sure.

  • Jon

    Sorry, should be Romans ch 8:28-30.

  • Alan

    So, Jon, you’re quoting what appears to be the King James translation – or some later English translation heavily influenced by the King James Version – i.e. a text written by early Protestants who undoubtedly deeply believed in predestination – as evidence of the concept of predestination in the bible, predating Augustine. So, people heavily influenced by Augustine translated parts of the bible in ways that reflect Augustine’s ideas. How surprising.

    Now if you actually discussed what is actually in the (Greek) New Testament and why you think it is justified to translate that as the English term “predestination”, then you might actually have a point

  • The greek word in question from Romans 8 is Proorizo, which according to this Greek dictionary translates as “to predetermine, decide beforehand” as it’s #1 meaning.

    There’s still an ongoing fight over what that means, whether God merely knows who will come to Him or whether He alone can bring a sinner to Him, but saying it isn’t in the Greek is a bit of a streach. If you’ve got a different Greek dictionary, let me know.

  • Andrew Duffin

    At the risk of derailing the debate here, can I say that I took a simpler message from the original post?

    My message was that religion is (a) bunk and (b) evil.

    Recent world events – IRA, 9/11, etc – seem to me to support this hypothesis.

  • Alan

    Mark,

    I wasn’t saying it wasn’t in the Greek, and don’t in fact know any Greek. I just thought it was out of order to quote an English translation produced over a thousand years later in a completely different culture, as evidence of interpretation of anything that “the bible” does or doesn’t say, without even mentioning the fact that the text you’re quoting isn’t the real thing and may have shifted its meaning in the translation

  • Jim

    I don’t like Augustine either but I’m still scratching my head over why this was poste on Samizdata.

    “What I am saying is that Augustine was sometimes mistaken and that the consequences of some of the doctrines he defended were bad.”

    Well, yes. Much the same could be said for a great many influential thinkers in antiquity. Most of the managed to do quite a bit of good too. In my opinion, Augustine’s main problem was that he never got over being a Manichean, and passed his hang-ups into Western society. But he’s still a great read on Neoplatonism. Doesn’t the game of showing how figures in antiquity weren’t – by our standards – libertarians, feminists, scientifically sophisticated, sufficiently clean in their persons, etc., get tiresome after awhile?

    Jon is quite right: the Bible isn’t internally consistent, nor does Paul make much effort to be self-consistent. But the idea of predestination does appear in the Bible outside Revelation. The passage in Romans 8 is a nice clear example. The detailed (after the fact) “prophecies” in Daniel also imply predestination. Perhaps Augustine popularized the idea, but he hardly invented it.

    Alan, besides checking out a thesaurus for synonyms for “actually,” have a look at a range of Bible translations and a range of Greek lexicons. The meaning of proorizo is not controversial. You do read Greek, right?

    And Andrew, don’t you think that just maybe your view of religion is a trifle generalized and simplistic?

    In general (not referring to the post, but to some of the comments) it pains me that otherwise highly rational people suddenly lower their standards to stereotype and innuendo when they start talking about religion.

  • Jon

    “without even mentioning the fact that the text you’re quoting isn’t the real thing and may have shifted its meaning in the translation”

    Alan: well obviously it hasn’t, since we have now established what the original Greek text means. And for the record, the translation I used was NIV.

  • I’ve written a rather lengthy defense of Pealagius as against Augustine, which you can read here.

  • Shoot… I screwed up the link. It should be : here. Sorry.

  • Jon;

    I think he was thinking of the Book of Life, which also supports Calvinism. As I found to my then-Arminian dismay, you can’t get away from predestination in Scripture.

    Alan;

    If you took your position far enough, you’d have to reject the idea of translation altogether.

    In any case, you’re arguing without much in the way of facts to back you up. Not only did you get the NIV confused with the KJV (they’re generally considered opposite poles as far as translating philosophy goes), you don’t know why King James wanted his own version. To counteract the Geneva Bible, which was translated by Calvinist English refugees from the high church Anglicans, living in Geneva (hence the name). The translaters were no firebreathing Calvinists.

    Alex Knapp;

    I’ll be writing about your defense on my own blog later.

  • Paul Marks

    Why did I write the blog? To point out that an important person wrote against reason and liberty AND that his position had influence.

    As for predestination. Well I did say “most” of the rest of the Bible (I understand that it is not just a question of the lamb and his book). However, I accept that I wrote stupidly (I was loose).

  • But “most” of the rest of the Bible doesn’t contradict predestination.