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Who will join the Arab League?

Whilst travelling down towards the station in Brussels with some friends, one could not help noticing one street full of coffee bars, frequented solely by the male of the species, replicating a corner of Algiers or Tunis. Whilst new to me, this is not an infrequent encounter for the traveller in the Low Countries or France.

As vast portions of the urban geography continue to be recast in the Maghreb mould, and the demographics of immigration and indigenous wind down play out, I asked myself: which European Union Member State is most likely to join the Arab League (perhaps the Maghreb subset) or Organisation of Islamic Conferences in the next few years? Albania, Uganda and Guyana are members of the latter. This would be the predictable ‘next step’ for democratic structures with a large minority Arab electorate.

21 comments to Who will join the Arab League?

  • ic

    “which European Union Member State is most likely to join the Arab League (perhaps the Maghreb subset) or Organisation of Islamic Conferences in the next few years?” How about the entire EU, led by France, join the Arab League to oppose the hyperpower? For the EU, especially France, the bad guy wears the Stars and Stripes. The bad guy must be opposed.

  • Where are the coffee bars where ladies hang out?

  • In an episode of the first series of Round the Horne announcer Douglas Smith is introduced as “appearing courtesy of the Hampsted Garden Suburb branch of the Arab League”. It’s probably not such a ludicrous idea nowadays.

  • guy herbert

    Vast portions, Philip? Portions would not be surprising, but vast portions? Pretty small portions of London, despite its being trumpeted as “Londonistan”, as far as I can see. I guess you haven’t surveyed Brussells comprehensively.

    If you wander from where I live towards the Edgware Road, you’ll see plenty of Lebanese restaurants and Arabic cafés, but they are often frequented by both sexes, most of the women without so much as a hijab. Those endlessly lounging around in public with nothing better to do are mostly young men, but I don’t think that’s an exclusively Muslim characteristic – as a trip to other bits of town or any other part of the world will show.

    Maybe Brussells is very different – after all, there are different reasons for settling in Brussels than in London – but I’d be surprised if it was that much different.

  • I am surprised France is not at least “an observing member” considering how Arabist they are. France would ally itself with devils in order to oppose the US…

  • Brussels is VERY different from London. For a start, the UK Government is not prosecuting anti-Muslim-mass-immigration bloggers and nor is the UK’s national lottery funding rock concerts against a legitimate political party which doesn’t happen to like mass Muslim immigration.

  • Millie Woods

    Alan, to answer your question, the ladies are doing all the heavy lifting behind the scenes. Trust me. The guys loll about and the women do the work – the small amounts that is that get done.

  • Jacob

    “The guys loll about and the women do the work …”

    Not ALL muslim customs are bad then…

  • DavidBruno

    Philip,

    Central Brussels (+ Antwerp, Amsterdam and Rotterdam) are very different from London in terms of:

    — the composition of the Muslim population (in Benelux mainly from Morocco);
    — the reasons for and date of their arrival (mainly the last 15 years and as a result of the links between France and her North African ex-colonies: in other words, no direct connection between the host country and the immigrants);
    — the nature of the lack of integration of some Muslims;
    — the particular tensions that have been caused.

    This is of course fertile ground for extremists, such as the Arab European League which has its HQ in Brussels and which is headed by an ex-Hezbollah member:

    http://www.arabeuropean.org/vision.php?PHPSESSID=83874198e99fd4f6aac1bdaabbc10e2e

  • Paul Marks

    First the Belgium government banned the voluntary funding of political parties – and then it refused state funding to the main party in favour of the independence of Flanders.

    That this party is “racist” may or may not be true, but efforts to prove racialism do seem a bit desperate at times – I remember the B.B.C. claiming that a Flemish (basically Dutch) slogan translated as “No Africans” when in fact it was “balance the accounts” and was about the vast government debt in Belgium (more than 100% of G.D.P.).

    In any case French speakers are not a different race from Flemish speakers – so it is hardly “racist” to want an independent Flanders.

    The importation of Africans and other Muslims has mainly occured in recent years (and the campaign for the independence of Flanders is many years old).

    I suppose the elite in Belgium favour the Muslims as a counter weight to the Flemish people – but this is short sighted as many of the Muslims do not love the French speakers (whether Catholic or secular) any more than they love the Flemish speakers.

    Free migration is all very well – but newcommers most respect the nonaggression principle in order to be a “good thing” and many of the newcommers to Europe (and their children and children’s children) do not tend to respect this principle.

    The “minorities” often do not love these lands (neither the culture nor the history) – it may be un P.C., but they and their decendants often do not come as friends.

    “We know they hate us, but we need them to do the jobs that nobody else will do”.

    Firstly it is an insult to assume that the immigrants and their children and children’s children will do these “dirty jobs” for ever (why not go on welfare like the “white” people do?) and as Belgium has the highest unemployment in Western Europe (12% of the workforce even according to official stats) surely it would be better to free up the labour market (by removing pro union laws) and to reform the welfare system.

    It makes no sense to seek new workers from all over the Earth whilst vast numbers of young people sit about on welfare at home.

  • DavidBruno

    “Last year, seven percent of babies born in European Union countries were Muslims. In Brussels, the figure was a staggering 57 percent. ”

    That’s according to the website below (before anyone suggests that the comment above is “Islamophobic”):

    http://muslim-canada.org/muslimstats.html

  • k

    “The guys loll about and the women do the work …”

    So they have integrated into the West after all!

  • Paul Marks

    Brussels changed from being a Flemish (basically Dutch) speaking city to being a mainly French speaking one (there are Flemish radicals who still think of Brussels as a Flemish city, but those days ended long ago – one might as well demand that those areas of northeast France that once spoke various forms of what became Dutch go back to speaking it).

    However, now we are seeing Brussels moving away from being a city of basically French culture to a city of basically Islamic culture (outside the elite areas of course) with a bit of nonIslamic African as well.

    Race may not matter (after all having a darker skin has benefits – for example it reduces the risk of skin cancer), and culture may not matter if it is just a matter of different fashions in food and different styles of dancing.

    But the cultural changes in Europe are much greater than this, and the Muslims who are born in Western nations are actually more likely to hate the West and be Islamic radicals than their immigrant parents were.

  • the Muslims who are born in Western nations are actually more likely to hate the West and be Islamic radicals than their immigrant parents were.

    America’s second-generation immigrants still liked Western civilization. It took a long time to produce leftist moonbats. Looks like those Muslims have managed to accelerate the process.

  • David Descamps

    @Paul Marks : Brussels has never been Flemish, but Brabantish, with a majority of “dutch”-speakers. And a belgian speaking dutch doesn’t mean he is Dutch as well as a belgian speaking french is not a French.

    Ironically, in the past, belgian and dutch were synonyms, both meant something from the Low Countries.

    For the muslim “problem”, Brussels europeans are already changing their own way of life to an more islamically correct way. The best example is the dress of women, women won’t go out dressed like ten years ago. Some have already adopted scarf in some streets (to avoid rape, …), I have already seen on tv (RTBF if I remember well) muslims being proud of that, non-muslim women wearing scarf in muslim streets.

  • Paul Marks

    Yes there were various forms of speech that are broadly speaking in the “Dutch” family – which is, in turn, part of the western germanic family of languages (of which Fresian, the closest language to old English, is one).

    My point was that this city did not use to be part of the French cultural area and became so (although, of course, there were riots even in the 1960’s).

    Although a French speaker could reply that this area was under the Roman Empire for about four centuries (being on the western side of the Rhine) and therefore part of the Latin language area.

    It is all rather moot now – as the city (along with much of Europe) seems likely to become (over the long term) part of the Islamic world. Partly because Europeans are not having enough babies to replace themselves, and partly because Western culture (at least in much of Europe) has become weak, undermined by its own “intellectuals” who allow their hatred of their own nations and cultural traditions blind them to all else.

    Strong, confident cultures tend to assimilate newcommers – but people are not likely to assimilate into a dying culture.

  • Paul Marks

    Many people tend to snear at such things as Philip de V. (being what I am I can not even spell the man’s name) and the cultural celebrations in what is now called the Vendee (I know there should be a mark of the first “e”).

    But the people behind such celebrations of history and cultural traditions (of which the event in the Vendee is only one) are the only chance of a future that Europe has.

    These people meet and cooperate (without government subsidy), they not only love the past they create the future (for they are the sort of people who both have children and bring them up).

    Voluntary cooperation and the compact of the generations – linking the past, the present and the future.

    The opposite of the spirit of the Jacobins (the forerunners of the type of people who still govern most Western nations) people who believed there should be nothing apart from atomized individuals and the state (ironically these haters of monarchy were following a trend sometimes seen in Royal policy in this – a trend that can be traced right back to such Kings as “Louis the spider”).

    People who had no respect for the past (shown not just be their invention of arbitary systems of weights and measuments and administrative regions – but in such graphic incidents as breaking upon the tombs of the Kings of France and tossing the remains to the dogs), crushed civil society in the present, and (had they been successful) would have destroyed the future.

    The Jacobins did not rule France for long – but they have returned in France (and most other Western nations) in our own times.

    Their vision of the crushing of civil society, leaving only atomized individuals and the all mighty state not only seeks to destroy the past (by disrespect, and disinformation – whilst, ironically, carrying on the worst elements of the past such as the administrative practices of Colbert), it also destroys the future – for most people no longer have enough children to replace themselves and do not bring up well those children they do have.

    But the “old” Europe (whether Catholic, Protestant or neither) is not yet dead – some “reactionaries” still exist and it is with them that hope (if there is any hope) rests.

    It is not the invaders (whether Muslims or other) who are destroying Europe, Europe is rotting from within and has been for decades.

    In the culture of the traditional nations of Europe were strong immigration would not be a “threat”.

  • Paul Marks

    If the culture (not “In the culture”) and so on.

  • kamal

    { global civilization belongs to all human beeings }
    – did you forget the middle centuries , where the islamic state(the place of sience and civilization that time) was full of europians ,who asked sience or work and who used the arabic books to build their countries at least in the beginning of their wakking up,
    – did you forget that your countries were build on the sources of the occupated countries ,and they were the reason (The occupation) which push these moslims or africans to leave their countries looking for better life.
    {don’t deny ,that the occupation was the mainly reason of the deterioration of these countries)
    , if you forgot that please don’t histate to read historical books.

  • snide

    – did you forget the middle centuries , where the islamic state(the place of sience and civilization that time) was full of europians ,who asked sience or work and who used the arabic books to build their countries at least in the beginning of their wakking up,

    And what have they done since then? What science has come out of the Islamic world in the last 300 years?

    did you forget that your countries were build on the sources of the occupated countries ,and they were the reason (The occupation) which push these moslims or africans to leave their countries looking for better life.

    They were shit-holes when the Europeans arrived and they were still shit-holes when they left. How long are you losers going to keep blaming colonialism for your own failings? The Middle East is only able to exploit its oil because of Western expertise and Western capital. Japan, with almost no natural resources at all and having been carpet bombed and nuked to hell over several years, managed in a few short decades to turn itself into a great economic power. Why could not a single country in the Muslim world come close to matching that kind of resilience? Stop blaming everyone but yourselves for your shortcomings. My historical knowledge is probably a damn sight better than yours.

  • kamal

    -didn’t they learn you at school that 300 years means nothing compared with the lifes of nations
    -and when i speak about colonalism i said it is the mainly reason , i didn’t say that it is the only reason ,offcourse there is self reasons ,
    -as you speak about the middle east , if you take a look you will find that if the europians leave it alone it will be better for the countries there to wake up and build there civilizations , the goverments in that place (middle east) focus on how to buy weapons to protect them selves fron the west , or to fight against your state in the middle east “israel” which was built by west without any authorization from the owners of the land there .
    and if you think that the west finish his colonism in the middle east , so you make a big mistake , and you can look when the europian armies draw out of the middle east and when “israel”was built , if you do you will see the truth .
    and other example look to irak the most developed arabic country , when the west see that this country has the sience and the power they start their invasion
    and then they made the war after destroying the abilities of this country