Our speech laws are bad enough. But at least they can, in theory, be repealed and amended by members of parliament. NCHIs, by contrast, just bubbled up out of the policing quangocracy. No law was ever passed instructing the police to waste their time like this. But on and on they’ve gone, for more than a decade now.
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Hopefully progress of a sort, but I do wonder — does that mean they will delete all the records of NCHIs that they have already recorded. I’m going to guess not.
As to introducing a ” more common sense system”, I agree. And I have a proposal. How about the police recognize that free speech is one of the long cherished rights of an Englishman, established for a thousand years, and that people grow a slightly thicker than paper thin skin.
Oh, and another “more common sense system” would be for the police to spend their time arresting actual criminals and increasing, for example, the burglary clearance rates from the humiliating 12% which is what it stands in London today. Me? I think there are few things more hateful than having your house broken into, having your property stolen and being afraid to sleep in your own bed. Call me insensitive but I think that’s a lot more hateful than enduring someone whistling “Bob the builder”. I’m going to go out on a limb and say even the most “persecuted” of minority groups would rather an unkind word rather than having their house broken into.
Can we implement this superior system? “Yes we can”.
NCHIs will simply be rebranded and continue as before. They’re too much fun to discard. Like DEI.
I believe that this decision was the result of the loss of influence of the Knights Templar in the police organizations.
(Twitter sort of blew up in the US today concerning Masons in the UK police. I don’t know if this even registered in the UK, but it’s what we were all laughing at earlier over here.)
“No law was ever passed instructing the police to waste their time like this.”
No, but Parliament could easily pass a law forbidding the police from wasting their time like this instead. Parliament constrains the police in many ways (PACE for example), doing so over NCHIs would be trivial surely, if it chose to do so?
But imagine the furore if a ‘right wing’ government came into power and abusive left wing comments became the subject of investigation as NCHIs?
You could even argue that the proposal to modify the NCHI process is an attempt to prebunk this unfortunate turn.
Not only should Non-Hate Crime Incidents be abolished, they should never have been created in the first damn place.
In addition, the College of Policing (a political QUANGO) needs to be defunded and its entire staff dismissed sans compo.
Still waiting on that bonfire of the Quango’s we keep getting promised. Maybe Reform UK will deliver on it? Maybe?
Clearly, the problem with the NCHI nastiness is far more than police overreaching. It’s the simple fact that they have the power to do what they did. Brits need to fix that, you know, limited government, and all that.
How about a website for citizens to post instances of NPSI (Non-Policing Stupidity Incidents)?
Include photos of the COP(s), their precinct or patrolling area, badge number, and any other publicly available information about the officer, their commanders, etc.
@GregWA
Brits need to fix that, you know, limited government, and all that.
How’s that working out for us Americans? Glad we have it because otherwise we’d have a massively bloated, over reaching, over regulating, overly centralized state.
Thank god that didn’t happen.
Fraser Orr:
Whatever happens we have got
Donald Trump and Brits do not.
NCHIs might be abolished but, as Helen Joyce has found, the police have another weapon at their disposal – recording crimes against your name in the PND without arresting you, charge you, putting you on trial or telling you (until you do a SAR):
See also this article.
There used to be a site, Dock Green I think it was called, that recorded incidents of the police behaving badly.
It does not matter whether “non crime hate incidents” are ended or not – not when thousands (yes – thousands) of people are arrested, in the United Kingdom, for their opinions – every year.
Nor is this is just the United Kingdom – it is also other Western nations, every member of the European Union has, to be a member, to have these Death-To-Freedom-Of-Speech “Hate Speech” laws – in France the late Brigitte Bardot was convicted of the “crime” of expressing her opinions.
Canada and Australia are the same.
The international human rights declarations and conventions are utterly worthless – they do not even prevent “Hate Speech” laws, let alone such things as Covid lockdowns. Indeed they are worse than worthless – the international human rights declarations and conventions are harmful – and they are deliberately designed to be harmful (they sound Classical Liberal – but they are NOT). They are not designed to defend Western societies – they are designed to help destroy Western societies.
“But Paul, British people had a big role in drawing them up”.
Yes they did – and look up what vicious Collectivists those drafters (those word smiths) were. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Damn, damn them to Hell.