‘Fuck Palestine, Fuck Hamas, Fuck Islam. Want to protest? Fuck off to Muslim country and protest.’
– This got Pete North arrested
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Of course it did.
Saying just about anything can get someone arrested, and sent to prison, in the United Kingdom. “Malicious Communications Act” and many other Acts of Parliament going all the way back to 1965 – each new Act of Parliament being worse (more extreme) than the last.
This is why when Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer said, in the Oval Office, “we have Freedom of Speech in Britain, it is precious to us…..” and the rest of his vicious lies, he should have been politely asked to leave the White House – and been put on the first aircraft out of the United States.
As far as Sir Keith Spanner is concerned, we do indeed have freedom of speech. Leftists get away with everything. There are no threats to their freedom of speech.
I see Toby Young has been saying that the right should strive for the “moral high ground” in this debate. Toby is a fine man, but he must understand that there is no debate. The left hate us and want us dead. Ask them to prove you wrong and they answer with a bullet. If they can’t kill you they want you in a cell. Claiming the “moral high ground” will not save you from a fundamentally immoral foe who wishes to grind your face into the dirt.
I have a different perspective: I see the Woke primarily as suicidally insane.
Homicidally insane, only secondarily.
If you say that that is true only of Whites, Jews, and East Asians, i can only offer a very qualified agreement. The Woke of other ethnicities are also auto.genocidally insane, by virtue of their short-term perspective.
Back when Colin Powell said (hilariously) that Republicans have become unwilling to compromise (over 10 years ago), i posted a comment on PJMedia, asking:
If you were chained to a 300-pound man in the proximity of a cliff, would you compromise?
We can but hope that PM Farage repeals every single fucking law that infringes our free speech during his first week. End the concept of hate speech completely in British law.
I don’t think that we emphasise enough what a complete and utter disgrace this is. Everyone who has been complicit in causing this state of affairs should be utterly ashamed of themselves. I would never have believed that this could happen in my lifetime. To all who think that this is OK, you need to be aware that you are on the side of evil, the side of darkness, you are the bad guys.
I would add that those that would suppress the opinions of those with whom they disagree are admitting that they have opinions that they cannot defend. If you can’t defend your opinions, that means that you are probably wrong.
All I can say is that y’all brits better get used to being arrested for thought crime. A couple of days ago in a comment I mentioned the full name of what is called the Gulag for short. It was not really sarcasm.
Subotai Bahadur
It is worth remembering that the words were NOT said in a street to an angry mob – unlike the Labour Councillor who crossed London to tell an angry mob to “cut the throats” of their political opponents (a jury of his fellow leftists decided he had done nothing wrong).
The words were said on the internet – and “fuck” is a word that is used by British people a lot.
The idea behind the “Malicious Communications Act” is the same as the idea behind all the pieces of legislation (going right back to the 1965 Act) – it is to create a Climate of Fear, so that dissent (opposition) against the “Diversity and Inclusion” (i.e. destroy Britain and all other Western nations) agenda, is crushed.
Is the policy insane as Snorri suggests? Possibly yes – but the policy to push the agenda is effective (I accept that something can be effective AND insane).
Such nations as Hungary may perhaps survive (Budapest may have leftist city government – but the city is still Hungarian, look at the SCHOOLS in Vienna and you will see that Vienna is NOT going to remain Austrian – no more than Birmingham is going to remain English) – but will England survive?
I do not know whether England will survive – but it seems unlikely.
No nation, no people, has a Divine Right to exist, if their leaders (political, economic, religious and cultural) are determined to destroy a people – a nation, a people, are likely to be destroyed.
Curiously, my initial reaction to the guy’s comments is that I didn’t agree with him. This is Britain, even the worst kind of people have a right to protest and they certainly shouldn’t have to fuck off to an Islamic country to do so.
And then, apparently, I was proved wrong by the video. Britain isn’t that place at all.
There used to be a list of things that the Daily Mail said caused cancer.
Then it was things that cause climate change.
Then things that are fascist.
Now it’s words or phrases you can’t say online or in public, like sp*z, m*ppet, “please speak English” etc.
IMO its all working perfectly. No hear me out. Under the Tories we had all these speech laws, which were fundamentally bad but they were kind of kept from being too bad by the government. Bad laws were able to stay in place because the politicians smoothed the edges off. We booted the Tories out, and now Labour have the same laws and they are using them exactly as we all said someone eventually would. Which is p*ssing a lot of people off, in a way that never happened under the Tories (see above). So now laws that a bad for free speech are getting a bad press. And its far more likely the country will vote for a party that will abolish these bad laws and replace them with something that actually guarantees us free speech (which the Tories would never have done). Thats a win IMO. We just have to deal with the next 4 years as best we can.
Agree completely.
It seems pretty obvious that the police and the political class are absolutely terrified of Muslim extremists, so they are desperately trying to silence anybody who might anger them. From their perspective, people like Pete North and Tommy Robinson are lighting matches in a gunpowder store. But every act of appeasement will only embolden the extremists and undermine the legitimacy of the British state, so all they’re doing is stacking up more gunpowder. At this point, I really don’t know if it is still possible to avoid a catastrophic explosion.
So many wonderful places to visit in the United Kingdom…and now I never will. Well, at least not until “PM Farage repeals all these laws” (Patrick at 2:14pm).
I did not realize the British PM had such power.
In the US, only the Congress can pass or repeal a law. Of course the administrative state has de facto powers of making regulations (de facto laws) and repealing (ignoring) laws, but that’s a different kettle of fish; or at least different fish in the kettle?
“Well, at least not until “PM Farage repeals all these laws” (Patrick at 2:14pm). I did not realize the British PM had such power.”
The Party system in Parliament is far far stronger than that in the US legislative process. That is to say a PM elected with a decent majority can usually pass whatever laws he or she likes, if the party’s MPs are largely on the same page as him or her. And the power to chose who stands in what constituency often falls to the central party admin. So by and large a PM can (if they are suitably ruthless) get the MPs he or she wants. Hence why the Tory party now resembles a Left of Centre party, because its leaders from Cameron onwards have parachuted their type of MP candidates into safe and winnable seats. If Farage can do likewise, he will have a party behind him who will vote in whatever he wants. UK MPs tend to have far more personal loyalty to their party leader than the average US Congressman/woman or Senator does to their party’s Presidential Candidate.
Jim, thanks for the tutorial!
Everyone seems to be very confident that Reform will be forming the next government. I don’t deny their popularity in the opinion polls but four years is a long time and I can think of any number of things that could go wrong in that time. I live in hope that there will at least be an alternative to just not voting at all because I despise the lot of them.
I certainly hope so. Despite the horrors of Labour rule, it is better than the ‘boiling frog’ nation Britain was under the Tories, IF we get that radical change of government.
Appparently Mr North was specifically quizzed over “Fuck Hamas”. Don’t the Police also arrest those who speak up for Hamas? Have they managed to gene-splice the Stasi with the Keystone Cops?
Anyway, isn’t telling someone or something to fuck off the inalienable natural right of every Englishman (or woman)?
At some level Mr North was put on the naughty step for his potty-mouth. Are the Plod now primary school teachers?
I’ve been using it a lot of late. Mainly about wasps (of which we have had a Biblical plague of this year). Just this morning I had 13 dead ones on the bathroom windowsill alone. They received a burial at sea. I have been stung four times this summer and I hate the vespiform cunts and they can Royally Fuck Off. Are Cheshire Constabulary gonna come round my house and re-educate me on my spheksophobia? I’m not a huge fan of Sting either – the tiresome Geordie ponce.
Jim and others – I can remember the 1979 General Election (yes I am that old), Margaret Thatcher was going to repeal the speech and other such laws (there had been several after the 1965 Act – for example the 1968 and 1976 Acts).
But it did not happen – there were no repeals of any of these pieces of legislation. And after certain riots there was the “Scarman Report” (of 1981) which, over time, has helped lead to the systematic indoctrination of the police and government employees. My Marxist half brother (Tony Marks – a Marxist academic, one of many who advised government officials) was delighted – and with good reason.
Margaret Thatcher hated all this – just as she hated the betrayal of Rhodesia to vicious Marxists (who murdered far more black people than they murdered white people) – but there was nothing the lady could do about any of it. Even then, to some extent, the lady was “in office – but not in power”. A situation that someone like Prime Minister Orban in Hungary is determined to avoid – which is the real reason he is hated by the International Community, he wants the elected government to be in power – NOT just in office (with officials, leftist judges, and “experts” having the real power).
It is unlikely the United Kingdom will get to the General Election of 2029 (things are much worse than most people think) – but let us say Mr Farage does become Prime Minister with a large majority in the House of Commons.
Will Mr Farage not find himself in the same position as his friend (and GB News colleague) Jacob Rees-Mogg found himself as a government minister? In office but NOT in power.
Remember Mr Farage has NOT removed Zia Yusuf from the Reform Party – and keeps saying, over and over again, that there is nothing wrong with Islam – it is just a matter of some nasty “extremists” who have twisted the faith (the line of President Bush and Prime Minister Blair).
Still let us hope for the best – a “Great Reform Bill” passed as an Act by Parliament (over the objections of the “House of Lords” – which is not made up of real lords, it is made up of political hangers-on, and should be abolished) in 2029 – sweeping away all the various bits of tyrannical legislation passed since (at least) 1965, and closing down the endless “Quangos” – unelected bodies (including the accursed Bank of England – anyone who thinks it “fights inflation” or “disciplines the banks” is deluded – it does the opposite, it creates inflation and it encourages the banks in their worst antics).
It would be like 1660 – the best year in British history, with the “Act of Oblivion” sweeping away decades of legislation passed under the military dictatorship of the Commonwealth period.
I simply don’t believe you’re going to vote your way out of this mess.
@ Stoneyground: There is no guarantee Reform will ride to the rescue like the 7th Cavalry. There’s a significant chance that the entrenched self interest of the Blob will succeed in crushing the emerging Peasants Revolt. But put yourself back 5 years. Was there even the hope that there would be an antidote to the Uniparty? No, we faced a lifetime of the same old same old, not so much a boot crushing our faces as a duvet of ever increasing State taxation, regulation and control smothering us and restricting our freedom.
Now we have hope and the possibility of change. And I’m hopeful we will grab it. The experience of Trump shows that when people are utterly p*ssed off with the status quo they will hold their noses and vote for the person whose name the Establishment are doing their utmost to blacken, and drive out of politics by any means possible.
Reform need to steel themselves, to be as wise as serpents, and so do we the voters. Because the Establishment WILL try everything over the next few years, especially as time ticks down to the next election and if they are still riding high in the polls.
Jim,
“The Duvet of Doom”. Brilliant!
Count this as an upvote for “Vinegar Joe” @ 9-28-25 at 1281 hrs.
Subotai Bahadur
Subotai Bahadur:
Ditto.
Jim, re “There is no guarantee Reform will ride to the rescue like the 7th Cavalry”: Um. . . the 7th Cav was Custer’s outfit. IYKWISAITYD.
If you lack the proper abandon-all-hope-life-is-over mindset needed for true opposition, there is always tax warfare.
Stop paying. That will bring down a socialist government as fast as anything.
bobby b – if people stop paying taxes the government will simply confiscate their bank accounts and other property, for example send the bailiffs in to take the goods from their homes, and then take their homes as well.
And the “justice system” which takes years to bring people to trial for such things as the rape of young British girls (if it bothers to prosecute at all) will rubber stamp such confiscations in days.
Remember 2024 – in the summer of 2024 “right wingers” who had “rioted” (often just had “been in the wrong place at the wrong time”) or even just said something the regime (and the word “regime” is justified) did not like on social media, were arrested very quickly.
They were told (by the Prime Minister and everyone else in authority) that they were “going to go to prison” – NOT “if you are found guilty” – just “going to go to prison”.
They could confess – in which case they would receive a lesser punishment (it turned out that the regime was lying about that – they did not receive a lesser punishment) or they could refuse to confess – in which case they would (they were told) go to prison for longer. Notice “you might be found not guilty” was not one of the options – that was not going to happen (regardless of the facts of the case).
No massive delays in the “justice” system – a system that normally takes years to function (if it functions at all) was suddenly very “efficient” – the people were in prison before their feet touched the ground.
Interesting how “efficient” a regime can be – when it feels its own existence is at stake. Whereas when ordinary people are robbed, raped or murdered – this is often not treated as very important.
bobby b – remember how “efficient” the American government was in response to the January 6th entry into the Capitol Building – now revealed as an FBI “False Flag” operation.
People who had been waved into the Capitol Building, and had carefully kept on the carpet within the ropes, found themselves arrested and put in prisons – to be savagely abused. Whereas the masked people who had caused damage to the Capitol Building were not arrested (it is now clear who THEY were).
Many people who did NOT enter the Capitol Building were also arrested – and thrown in prison to be savagely abused.
And when they were eventually brought to trial (sometimes many months later) – they found themselves before “juries” of giggling monsters.
Some 90% of population of D.C. vote Democrat (before 1961 the inhabitants of D.C. could not vote – and nor should they) – no conservative (or person thought to be a conservative) is going to get a fair trial in such a place.
And all this from a government machine that had ignored rioting, in D.C., by leftists – for MONTHS.
And then there is the “little” matter of the pipe bomb left outside the DNC (Democrat National Committee) building.
The government has had almost five years to find out who left the bomb there – but they “do not know”.
They know very well who left it there – it was one of their own agents (either an official government agent – or an off-the-books one), trying to make the Democrats look like victims.
Reform won’t be forming a government. For starters, they won’t be able to win enough seats. Realistically their supporters are thinly spread out across the country, rather than dense pockets of support. The Lib Dems have the same problem, they have significant amounts of support but spread too thinly. There are hundreds of seats where the Conservatives are first, Labour second and vice-versa. There are comparatively few where a smaller party consistently takes second place. This is why the country flip flops between Labour and the Conservatives.
You may think that millions of people are going to be so disgusted with both parties that come the next general election they will vote for Reform, or whoever else. This will not happen. The British people are predictable in their consistent voting for _the opposition party_ when disgusted with the government. The sole exception this century thus far has been the election in 2019, where Brexit played a huge part in getting millions of people to hold their noses and vote Conservative while an unpopular Conservative government was in power. This will not be the case in the next general election. Many left-leaning people will vote Labour to avoid Reform getting in. If anything it could give the current government a second term in office.
There are very few issues that most people are agreed upon. The Conservatives may be a beneficiary of discontent at the next GE but nothing will change under them. It is, I think, equally likely that Labour will remain in power at the next GE. In 2005 many people were disgusted with Tony Blair but still voted Labour, and the rest of the vote was too split to make any difference. The next GE is likely to be similar, Reform may do well and may even win some more MPs (let’s see if they can hold on to them more successfully than this time) but the idea that they will go from 7th place to majority is just pie in the sky. It would be the most dramatic change in the history of British parliamentary elections, and as such is extremely unlikely.
Even should Reform manage to win a simple majority of seats, I would expect that all the other parties would form a coalition to stop Reform becoming a party of government. The King would be extremely unlikely to request that Nigel Farage, or whoever is leading Reform at the time of the next GE, form a government. The Civil Service would also simply refuse to work with them, and would block them at every turn. It simply won’t happen.
Can’t tell from all of this discussion if (a) England is being ruled, against the wishes of its people, in a manner designed to tear it apart, or (b), it is being ruled according to the wishes of its voters (by a slim margin), in a manner which we all think is daft but which is democratically valid.
The solution sets for each possibility are completely different.
Perhaps we need to settle on one scenario before discussing solutions.
In reply to bobby: my understanding is that (a) is correct — except that the intent to tear “England” apart is not evident. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
bobby b
Snorri Godhi is correct – England is, and has been for a very long time, ruled AGAINST the wishes of its people – who have been, for example, against mass immigration for many years.
And Snorri is also correct in saying that the rulers, the leftist establishment, do not openly announce their intention of destroying England.
Where Snorri and myself differ – is that, I think, he believes our rulers are destroying the nation by accident (by the unintended consequences of their policies), whereas I suspect they are doing it on purpose.
Certainly the academic advisers to the British bureaucracy do NOT have good intentions – and have not done for a very long time indeed.
For example, the “Minority Report” on the Poor Law was written in the early 1900s (more than a century ago) – it had a major effect (over time) over government policy and it was written by members of the Fabian Society (and by allies “fellow travelers” of theirs) who wished to utterly destroy “capitalist” civilization (not at once – but over time) and create a Totalitarian State (a tyranny).
These are not good intentions.
The academic advisers (advisers to the bureaucracy) on racial and immigration matters since the 1960s and 1970s have been mainly from various factions of the Marxist tradition – their intentions are not good and have never been good.
Unless one believes the destruction of “capitalist” society and its replacement by totalitarianism, is a good intention.
The British establishment has long been praised for inviting in totalitarians – supposedly this “tames” the totalitarians.
For example, such totalitarian (tyranny – total tyranny) supporting writers as H.G. Wells and George Bernard Shaw were made cultural icons – given every honour.
And such totalitarian (tyranny – total tyranny) supporting political thinkers as Mr and Mrs Webb were made members of the House of Lords – and invited to write reports for the government (on various matters) – reports that were highly influential on policy.
Only a few years ago I watched Prince Charles (as he then was) fawning over the author of the “Horrible Histories” series of books – saying how wonderful the books were and how they should be in every school and library (which they are) – the author of the “Horrible Histories” series of books is a radical leftist, what he would like to do to Charles is not very nice (to put the matter mildly) – so this was an effort, by Charles (no doubt following “advise”) to reach out and turn an enemy into a friend – standard procedure for the British establishment for a very long time indeed.
I fully accept that this historic “inviting in” “taking them to the bosom of society” happened – BUT I do not accept that any “taming” took place.
I believe the totalitarian aims of all these people remained exactly the same – regardless of all the money, positions and honours they were given.
For example, how did making my half brother “Tony” Marks an academic “tame” him? How did it change his beliefs and objectives?
All that happened by the British establishment inviting in virtually everyone who wanted to destroy the principles of the nation, is that the British establishment itself became destructive force in relation to the nation.
The leading traitors in MI6 (the Special Intelligence Service) were from “good families” – they were establishment types.
And I recently watched the ex head of MI6 lying his head off on television – saying that Israeli efforts to protect the Druze in Syria were NOT about protecting the Druze – they were about “right wing” (this term used as a boo-hiss term) Israel promoting chaos in Syria.
I would not trust this man – an ex head of the Special Intelligence Service, any more than I would trust Philby, Burgess, McClean, Blunt, Cairncross and the other people in MI6 who were revealed to be working for Moscow.
I would trust this man no more than I would trust John Brenann – “ex” supporter of the American Communist Party and former Director of the CIA.
Then we have Bertrand Russell – and just about every other leading establishment “intellectual”.
Totalitarians – that is what they were and are.
The philosopher Bertrand Russell (from the very core of the establishment) described himself as a “liberal” or even a “Whig” – but he was really a totalitarian, he wanted all the means of production, land, factories, everything, controlled by the state. Which would mean that any dissent meant death by starvation.
Anyone who was shocked by the group he set up (the 100 – an outgrowth from CND, the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) “springing” George Blake from prison, was not paying attention.
George Blake was a Soviet agent – he shared the same objective, totalitarian state control of the means of production, as Bertrand Russell and so many other establishment figures.
Organizations such as the Fabian Society and the Haldane Society of socialist lawyers have not gone away – for example the present Prime Minister was a long time (and very active) member of both these groups.
In 1939 two powers, National Socialist (“Nazi”) Germany and the Marxist Soviet Union (in which millions of people had already been eliminated since 1917 and continuing right up to and beyond 1939 – that was yet to happen in Germany) invaded Poland.
The United Kingdom declared war on Germany and rounded up supporters of the Nazis, but the United Kingdom did NOT declare war on the Soviet Union and did NOT round up supporters of the Soviet Union.
The Marxist Soviet Union also invaded Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, part of Romania, and then Finland (the “Winter War”) – still no Declaration of War by the United Kingdom on the Soviet Union, and no rounding up of supporters of the Marxist Soviet Union in the United Kingdom.
It was the same in France – exactly the same policy.
Paul, my admittedly impressionistic view is that HG Wells and GB Shaw aren’t much regarded or thought about these days. Both clever men, but overly amused by themselves. But they were enormously influential. And Wells could write beautifully.
Like many contemporaries they applauded population control and eugenics. Many of the Fabian socialists and other “progressives” did at the time. Even Churchill want free of this nonsense. They were enamoured of dictators.
You may recall a book by John Carey, The Intellectuals and The Masses, that tears many of these people asunder. I was encouraged to read it by Chris R Tame, (god preserve his atheist soul).
Paul writes:
In my previous comment, i was cautious: I wrote that it is “not evident” 😉 that the British establishment is destroying the nation on purpose.
Actually, much depends on what one means by “destroying the nation” (or “tearing it apart” as bobby wrote).
I do believe that the British establishment, as well as the Obama/Biden establishment, want to destroy their nations as they are, or used to be; but not to make them more miserable: it’s just that you can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
I meant “tear it apart” in the sense that all revolutions seek to tear down what exists so that Utopia might be erected on the ruins.
Not an act to destroy a nation, but to deconstruct it so that it might be rebuilt in a new manner.
Paul, boob, Snorri,
It’s is the Labour Conference. Keir Starmer’s lectern has just two words on it, “Renew Britain”.
The UK political system is unpredictable. Labour won a massive majority with 20% active support of the population and 30% of the vote.
Labour do have a backbone of support that they will mostly retain at the next election; the ethnic block, public sector workers and lefty liberal metropolitan elites (many of whom are also public sector workers or in adjacent areas). Losing a chunk of the white working class vote will be painful but even if Reform has the most votes its possible that Labour plus the Lib Dems (who will likely peel off further Tory votes and some Labour votes) can form a coalition.
To be frank I’ve largely lost hope for this country and will do what I can to help give my children options for moving abroad. Too late for me, although I don’t wish to retire here.