To the Tranzis and multicultis, there are no individuals.

There are only designated oppressor groups, within which all are guilty of each and every sin ever committed by a member down through history;

and

Designated victim groups, within which any member is a victim regardless of personal circumstances.

This ad is looking for a place holder from a victim group as designated. It's not discrimination. All victims are interchangable, and only victims can understand victimhood.

Where have you been? This is the way the world works now.

I don't believe that the depressing world view set out by veryretired is all that widespread. It's a minority view of the world. A lesbian hispanic I work with got a call from the HR manager asking her to appear in the company magazine to illustrate the corporate committment to diversity. She declined saying that when she came to work she thought of herself as an individual and a member of such and such a team before she thought of her ethnicity.

Most people don't care.

Most people don't care.

Then if we could just stop the exceptions from getting elected and then appointing more exceptions.

It's in the interest of politicians to play up these group differences in order to get groups of people to vote for them. Meanwhile, in the real world, people merrily continue cross breeding between these groups.

Politics used to be much more class driven and politicans continued to operate on that basis long after people stopped thinking in those terms. I think we are now at that turning point where racial differences are in reality becoming irrelevant to normal people. We've already seen challenges to the idea of racial preferences in college selection. When a significant percentage don't fit into any of the designated groups the edifice crumbles.

I'm sure that at some point in the past differences in eye colour were highly significant - do we even notice this now?

As usual, politicians trail behind society's attitudes.

If Amnesty International had not lost its inner passion for its original mission such institutionalized stereotyping would never even have been considered let alone employed. I can't imagine a competent person accepting their job after reading that insistence upon discrimating by irrelevancies.

I would much rather work for someone like T.J. Rodgers, who's famous for taking time during meetings to tell his staff (from every continent in the world) that they're there because they're the best at what they do, not because of whoever their ancestors were.

"Money dissolves skin colour on contact. The fact that Silicon Valley, the freest market in the world, has produced the United Colours of Geek proves it." -- Dan Gardner

i always wondered about the logic behind the "equal opportunities form": if its equal opportunities - why the hell do you care about my origin?

I also wonder whether they (AI) have an office in, say, Saudi Arabia, and if yes - what is the colour of the one who deals with "discrimination on grounds of skin colour, ethnicity, religion, gender, and sexual orientation". And how much do they pay for his life insurance...

I wonder if Amnesty International would employ Ayaan Hirsi Ali if she applied for the job.

Before you dust off your CV which bulges with non-jobs in local government and crack open the Dutch taped course, there is just one problem before you can claim your £21-26k salary:

Surely that's discrimination against us non-Dutch speakers? The EU ought to form a comittee on that.

A lesbian hispanic I work with got a call from the HR manager asking her to appear in the company magazine to illustrate the corporate committment to diversity. She declined saying that when she came to work she thought of herself as an individual and a member of such and such a team before she thought of her ethnicity.

Good for her! Absolutely right. And thanks for that story. Midwesterner is right - insofar as people like your coworker exist, we certainly don't hear enough from them. The people who get the "diversity officer/aparachnik" positions generally don't think like your co-worker. But then, I suppose that's to be expected. The kind of animal who seeks out such a position is hardly likely to believe people are individuals first and members of groups second...

Incidentally, I saw a good illustration of this kind of irony last night. Ann Coulter came to speak (she's every bit as ridiculous in person as she comes across in her columns), so of course the lefty though police were out in full force. One of them kept interrupting shouting "go back to Germany you racist!"

Heh.

Because clearly, racism is the condition of being German.

Why on earth would Hirsi Ali lower herself?

Why on earth would Hirsi Ali lower herself?

AI would not be able to afford to provide her the protection she needs in the workplace from the very people who they are trying to protect the "rights" of...

If population projections are right, and I can live long enough, as a white Englishman there's a good chance I will one day be in a minority group. Then I can apply for all kinds of jobs like this one, especially if the EU could implement a law that doesn't require job applicants to speak a specific language like Dutch...

That's what I like about being an engineer. Nobody qives a stuff what colour, shape or size you are provided you are technically competent and willing to work for a pittance.

Stoatman - right on the button!

Anyway, I think she will be prime minister of Holland one day. Calm, rational, articulate, brave. (I just hope she is also a capitalist.)

Well I'm Welsh.
I have my victimhood certificate tucked into the back pocket, just in case.
I always worry that I'm not MINORITY enough though!
So I'll give the job a go.
On past experience working for the Civil Service, I will be 26 grand better off and the project, whatever it is, will never get anything done in any discernable way.
Ah but we always produced beautifully turned out reports!
Now gracing landfill sites around the UK.

Well I'm Welsh.
I have my victimhood certificate tucked into the back pocket, just in case.
I always worry that I'm not MINORITY enough though!

I'm Welsh too. But unlike a lot of minorities, we don't make a big deal out of being a minority. This is probably because we're too lazy to do anything but prop up bars and drink, but as minorities go, we're model citizens. :)

Yes we certainly are Tim.
We went the cultural route rather than the killer route like the Irish. Which, if any of you have watched old films of the Free Wales Army training in the Brecon Beacons and trying to march in step, probably explains why. We can do four part harmony at the drop of a hat, but wire up the dynamite? Nah not our style.
So that's another pint of S A for you--- what do you fancy our chances against the Irish on sunday?

Verity:

Yes, it would be disappointing if Hirsi Ali got in some significant position of power and then revealed herself to be a raving collectivist.

I would say that a passionate belief in freedom is contradictory with a will to collectivism, but then collectivists don't seem to be shy about holding utterly contradictory positions.

I'm more concerned about the expansion of the number of things discrimination covers. Particularly the nationality and religion being increasingly thought of (by some) as "race discrimination".

Muslims who want protection for their beliefs are settinng a dangerous precedent. When they draw the inevitable analogy with Jews they are guilty of twisting things. Laws against anti-semitism weren't drafted to make the statements of Rabbi's immune from criticism or ridicule, they were done to prevent violence against Jews whether practising or secular. Big difference.

Of course, for the "discrimination posse" it's all about "jobs for the boys".

The main problem is with the education establishments and the people they produce (the administrators in national and local governments in most Western nations and in other insistutions).

They keeping banging the "antidiscrimination" group think drum because that is the way they have been taught to think.

And, to be fair, it is a natural administrative way to proceed.

Take the example of 1964 Civil Rights Act (and some State statutes before it) - that was not about getting rid of Jim Crow discrimination laws (banning people from serving whites and blacks at the same counter or whatever) - it was mainly about banning private discrimination (in what are falsely called "public" establishments such as business enterprises).

How can you PROVE that you have not discriminated against a certain black man when he went for a job. Only by saying "the population group of this area is X per cent black - and X per cent of our staff at this grade are black".

People who say they are "pro civil rights" but "anti quota" miss the point - "anti discrimination" civil rights must lead to quotas (and all the rest of group politics).

If the Civil Rights movement had been about getting rid of the Jim Crow laws it would have been a pure and noble thing - but at least from the time that "Saint" Martin Luther King took over it was not just about that.

It was the same in Britain and it is the same with other groups of people - whether it is women, the "disabled", homosexuals, or whoever.

"Antidiscrimination" laws lead to all the rest of it.

Paul Marks - Agreed. It's an inevitable follow-on and a whole industry, like a tent city round a power plant, springs up around a manufactured issue. Mini-Bhopals. Dozens. Hundreds. Thousands of tent cities of "antidiscrimination" practitioners and their offices, their office staffs, their computers, their cars, their parking spaces, their health care/dental insurance, their pensions, their meetings, their press releases, their TV interviews ...

what do you fancy our chances against the Irish on sunday?

I think we'll do okay, but the weekend is going to be a good 'un no matter what, now England have been beaten by Scotland.

Tim.
Oops!
Soon as Steven Jones was off and Strange Tan Man was on the whole team fell apart.
Well the book didn't help now did it?
Ah well ! Let the world above spin.
We know what is important!
So that's another pint of SA for us and white wine, or a fruit based drink for the ladies.