Comments on Newsflash: Dave Cameron still a waste of your vote

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Posted by Alex at November 2, 2009 10:51 PM

They are all a waste of more than just votes.


Posted by cjf at November 2, 2009 11:29 PM

Perry, what else does UKIP stand for? As an Australian, I'm looking in at the political scene. Whilst nobody wants Brownie points right now, what would a UKIP Britain look like? Or are they a single-issue party?


Posted by Nuke Gray at November 3, 2009 12:17 AM

From the article: “We want to have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty but clearly it seems we are getting closer to the point where the treaty is not going to be a treaty but becomes part of European law,”

And the law cannot be changed?

Perhaps someone can remember the details -- didn't the British government hold one or more non-binding referenda on home rule for Scotland? Surely Devious Dave could commit to hold a non-binding UK referendum on the Lisbon Treaty even after its passage, to strenghten his negotiating position vis-a-vis the Eurocrats? But that would require Ocameron to think outside the box-- which is clearly not his strength.

At least this may help Brits sympathize with the unfortunate US voter of a year ago -- given the choice of Obama, Omccain, and a no-hope libertarian.


Posted by Alice at November 3, 2009 01:09 AM

I loathe David Cameron (advisor-styled "Dave" because "Tony" Blair worked a treat). A weak, charisma-free, principle-free, recognition free, little pr man until he got chosen by people above him to be the front man for the Tories.

Since then, he has done absolutely everything wrong. Everything. He thinks Tories admire stupid men who ride bicycles through Central London in twizzly hats (with a limo behind, but that's not the point). He has a windmill on his roof of Islington or wherever, and that's not the point, either. He sacked an honoured military man - Patrick Mercer - over his cellphone, to big himself up. He thinks Tories will cleave to a gender "equality" short-list programme whereby men will be robbed of their equality so that ill-qualified woman can be promoted over them.

Too late for him to disavow it, Blair's Babe's have got traction, by this incompetent man, as Cameron's Cuties.

Think about it: Tony Blair came out of nowhere 12/13 years ago. No one had ever heard of him.

David Cameron, who also no one had ever noticed and was, in any case, fairly new to Parliament, became the Leader of the mighty Conservative Party.

How did that happen?

In both cases? How did that happen?

Neither had a record in Parliament. Neither had a national profile, to say the least. Neither had any special qualifications. Neither had ever been noticed.

And suddenly, Tony Blair was a party Leader. And a few years later, someone called David Cameron, was Tory Leader.

Doesn't these two individuals coming out of nowhere strike anyone else as ....ODD?


Posted by Verity at November 3, 2009 04:34 AM

Hey, Barack Obama also came out of nowhere, and had no special qualifications either (actually, he had no qualifications whatsoever). There's a lot of that going around these days. Must be due to global warming!


Posted by Laird at November 3, 2009 04:58 AM

Blair emerged from John Smith’s shadow when Smith died. I assume Blair positioned himself to be Smith’s heir a bit later than actually happened but he wasn’t going to miss his opportunity.

Cameron was elected in the same way, and for the same reasons as Heath was almost 50 years ago. When Wilson was elected the conservative party went into one of its periodic panics and decided it needed a clone. Wilson was perceived as a grammar school meritocrat, suited to the zeitgeist. Heath was also a grammar school boy so he must be what they needed. Unfortunately he had less merit even than Wilson, and he had enough belief in the beneficial powers of the state that he could easily have found a home in the Labour party.

Blair was a public school educated, charismatic leader who performed well on TV. Cameron was also public school educated and he had the benefit of a brief period of work experience with a TV company so he was the clone the Conservatives sought. Unfortunately he too supports most of Labour’s key policies.


Posted by MarkE at November 3, 2009 09:06 AM
Perhaps someone can remember the details -- didn't the British government hold one or more non-binding referenda on home rule for Scotland? Surely Devious Dave could commit to hold a non-binding UK referendum on the Lisbon Treaty even after its passage, to strenghten his negotiating position vis-a-vis the Eurocrats? But that would require Ocameron to think outside the box-- which is clearly not his strength.

Alice:

I suppose he could do this, the point is, he won't. He wants to park the European issue, so we must assume he is happy to be the leader of a European province rather than a self-governing nation state.


Posted by John K at November 3, 2009 11:23 AM

EU-Turn if you want to:

http://www.westbournemouthukip.com/content/splash/splash21.jpg


Posted by UKIP-BW at November 3, 2009 11:46 AM

I'm afraid that I am not a bit surprised at Cameron not allowing a vote on the EU, he is a supporter, it's big and has lots of money for the likes of him. How can being Prime Minister of Great Britain top that? Oh, yes, he tells lies .... a lot, like most of his predecessors.


Posted by Derek W. Buxton at November 3, 2009 03:05 PM

The E.U. Constitution (i.e. the "Treaty of Lisbon") was passed by an Act of Parliament and can be repealed by an Act of Parliament.

There is no excuse for Mr Cameron's action - none whatever.

As for talk (by William Hague and others) of taking back powers from the E.U. - that is absurd under the E.U. Constitution because it gives them the power to do what they like (even to amend the text itself).

A government that will not even hold a vote on the "Treaty of Lisbon" is certainly not going to take back any powers.

Each person should ask their local Conservative party a candidate the following question.

"Are you still in favour of a referendum on the so called Lisbon Treaty and will you support a motion in the House of Commons for such a referendum".

If the candidate is not prepared to say "yes" (publically and in writing) then there is no point in voting for them.

No point because a "Conservative government" under the E.U. Constitution would not be a "government" at all - it would be a local council, a puppet of the E.U.


Posted by Paul Marks at November 3, 2009 09:45 PM

No Mr Blair was not anointed by John Smith - this is a myth put about by his supporters. He was know as a fairly effective shadow Home Sec (but nothing more than that).

Actually the man just appeared - just as Verity describes.

Mr Cameron was the same (in fact more so) - although Mr Howard (the previous leader) did go along with the appearance. He made a speech at the Conservative Party Conference in Brighton and suddenly everyone (every single newspaper and magazine and television station and radio station) said he was amasing, a divine angel on Earth and ........

Actually the speech was nothing special - and all the praise had been written up in advance.

I suppose I would described as "paranoid" if I started to write about the puppet masters and .......


Posted by Paul Marks at November 3, 2009 09:52 PM

My mistake - it was Blackpool.

Very silly of me - as I was actually there at the time.

Although not officially.


Posted by Paul Marks at November 4, 2009 07:39 PM
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