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I have 3 children, all educated privately. At no point have I told the local authority about them, there being no reason for me to do so nor has the local authority ever asked me about any children I might have. So if I were minded to educate mine at home I would just go ahead and do it and ignore the state.


Posted by Cyclefree at June 15, 2009 11:19 PM

Surely this falls under the scope of Protocol 1, Article 2 of the ECHR, which would prevent the Government from forcibly educating children according to its agenda?


Posted by James at June 16, 2009 12:14 AM

Sorry to post about something off topic, but while on my lunch break, at work, I went to read your website and it had been filtered under the "Weapons" category. Really pissed me off.


Posted by William at June 16, 2009 01:20 AM
Surely this falls under the scope of Protocol 1, Article 2 of the ECHR, which would prevent the Government from forcibly educating children according to its agenda?
Probably not in practice. Compulsory school attendance is fairly mainstream on the continent. If schools are not always state run, they are usually state approved.
Posted by rantingkraut at June 16, 2009 06:46 AM

And where there's a freedom there's an interest group trying to curtail it. The state is not rigorous enough for some in merely attempting to control parents who educate their own children:

http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-formers/press-releases/children-and-family/voice-renews-calls-for-nanny-registration-$1303425$366260.htm


Posted by guy herbert at June 16, 2009 07:40 AM

I sometimes strongly disagree with Mr Peter Hitchens - but he is correct on this one.

The idea that the government in charge of perhaps the worst "eduction system" in the Western World is to set itself up as the judge of home schooling is absurd.

And the idea that this is to prevent "child abuse" is a lie.


Posted by Paul Marks at June 16, 2009 11:32 AM

More generally this "draw up plans - meet with officers....." approach is the way of operating that has destroyed so much in Britian (from manufacturing industry to social events in Church halls).

If people have to fill in endless forms and deal with Civil Servants and Local Government Officers they will just give up.

The ordinary British people are just no good at such things - no matter how good they may be at such little things as educating their children, inventing and manufacturing new products, and so on and so on.

Once the paper work and the officals come in, the activity (social, economic, or educational) is doomed.

As for freedom of speech.

Of course this whole policy (by the aptly named Mr "Badman") is about CRUSHING free speech and freedom generally.


Posted by Paul Marks at June 16, 2009 11:41 AM

Badman is a bureaucrat. His report recommends more bureaucracy. Why is anyone surprised?

The mindset of Whitehall was revealed by a civil servant at the Home Office at the time of yet another futile crackdown on the legal ownership of firearms: "Controls are good." That's what they think. That's what they all think, at all times and in all circumstances. If they did not think that, they would not be able to function in the mind numbing, brain dead, intellectual wasteland of the British bureaucratic state.


Posted by John K at June 16, 2009 12:16 PM

While I completely agree this is an unwarranted imposition on homeschoolers, the internet greatly ameliorates that imposition. All that is necessary is for the brave pioneers that negotiate the labyrinth to post their experiences and documentation. Subsequent applicants can then download boilerplate docs to submit and answers to memorise.

That's how we expats cope with the demands of the local immigration authorities and it works fine. Remember bureaucrats want an easy life like anyone else. Supply them with complete documentation and all their boxes ticked so they can show they did their job and everyone's happy.


Posted by RayD at June 16, 2009 03:59 PM

We just this year beat a scheme in New Hampshire to try to impose regulation on Home Schoolers.

It was my first trip to the Capital, after moving as part of the Free State Project (http://freestateproject.org/). There were a couple thousand people at the state house, giving testimony and submitting cards showing their opinion of the new legislation. Almost none of them were in favor.

I concluded, upon seeing the crowd and hearing their passion on the subject, that my decision to become a Porcupine was a good one.


Posted by Rich at June 17, 2009 07:17 AM

Rich you must be using the word "Porcupine" in a different sense to the old libertarian sense of someone who has given up on other people and just hides out in a stronghold (secret or not).

What you are saying is that many people still believe in liberty - and that they can cooperate together to defeat statism.


Posted by Paul Marks at June 17, 2009 08:55 AM

Paul, the FSP has adopted the porcupine as their logo or mascot, not precisely in the sense you meant but more along the lines of "I'm non-threatening but don't touch me". See the logo at the top of their website. Their annual gathering is called a "PorcFest".


Posted by Laird at June 17, 2009 08:06 PM

I'm still stunned that Mr. Badman isn't a fake name.


Posted by CayleyGraph at June 20, 2009 03:08 AM

Many thanks Laird - I had forgotten.

I apolgize for my error.


Posted by Paul Marks at June 20, 2009 12:44 PM
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