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The only problem with restarting the Soviet era nukes is if one of them goes Chernobyl. That could set the cause of nuclear power back another thirty years.

There might be another problem in ramping up the nuclear industry. I was reading somewhere round the 'sphere that there would be an acute shortage of engineers to build the things. In the US, the ones who built the first tranche are now safely retired in Florida playing golf, and given the current state of engineering, and engineers, they would be hard pushed to build a reasonable number of power plants.

In other words, the nuclear industry in America is largely moribund, and I imagine the same is true in Britain. Might be a good time to be a French nuclear technician.


Posted by Kevin B at January 14, 2009 04:58 PM

Maybe we can encourage some North Koreans or Iranians to help us.


Posted by Bod at January 14, 2009 05:01 PM

@Bod: If we did that we'd be begging for a Chernobyl style 'accident'. They wouldn't even have to pay for missiles.


Posted by mandrill at January 14, 2009 06:37 PM

Kevin

Actually the US Navy (and the Royal Navy too for that matter) have been training loads of nuclear engineers for decades. The safety record of the nuclear navy is excellent thanks to Hyman Rickover and his successors.


Posted by Taylor at January 14, 2009 07:04 PM

Also, the Chernobyl incident is WAY overblown. A recent UN report I say shows that only 50 - most emergency workers -people have died due to Chernobyl to date. See the UN report quote that follows. What a surprise, the Media get's it wrong.



By 2005, according to the report, about 50 people – most of them emergency workers – are known to have died of either Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS) or cancer as a direct consequence of the accident. A considerable increase in thyroid cancer has been observed especially among local children, though the survival rate has been high. In the long term, is the report estimates that the accident might lead to about 4000 cancer deaths among the 600 000 most exposed people. However, estimations are difficult because those who have been exposed to radiation often die from the same causes as unexposed people


Posted by JerryM at January 14, 2009 07:30 PM

Taylor. I agree that the Navy will help but the guy I was reading was an old-time nukular engineer who was forecasting a huge shortage of 'the right stuff' if we wanted to build new nukes quickly.

JerryM, Sure Chernobyl was much less lethal than the average mine disaster, but Three Mile Island wasn't lethal at all and look what that did to the US nuclear power industry.


Posted by Kevin B at January 14, 2009 08:02 PM

I agree: the Ukraine should ask France to build a dozen shiny new nuclear power stations, and while they're at it a large sculpture of an extended middle finger facing East.


Posted by Tim Newman at January 15, 2009 12:02 AM

Fout. I have a doctorate in nuclear physics, and wouldn't go back into the field for anything. The continual scapegoating from the Greens is enough of a reason.


Posted by Dr. Ellen at January 15, 2009 12:29 AM

Dr. Ellen:

Fout. I have a doctorate in nuclear physics, and wouldn't go back into the field for anything. The continual scapegoating from the Greens is enough of a reason.

Oh, come on, you know being demonized puts zest into life! It's FUN!


Posted by Sunfish at January 15, 2009 08:02 AM

The only problem with restarting the Soviet era nukes is if one of them goes Chernobyl.

Well, that would also require Soviet operators. IIRC, the making of Chernobyl involved a series of safety overrides during a test, culminating in the the warping of the damper rods due to heat, making it impossible to reinsert them. But I read about that a while ago and perhaps my memory is faulty.


Posted by chuck at January 15, 2009 08:22 AM
I agree: the Ukraine should ask France to build a dozen shiny new nuclear power stations, and while they're at it a large sculpture of an extended middle finger facing East.

Where do they get the scratch, the potatoes, for that ? The French don't work for free. The Russian gas is for free - that is - nominally they owe, but actually they don't pay.


Posted by Jacob at January 16, 2009 09:54 PM

Making Chernobyl go off did indeed take some pretty impressively stupid activities on the part of the team in charge, however, that said, the design itself was inherently flawed, and that needs to be taken into account when thinking about restarting any of that era of soviet reactors.

The really clever thing the Czechs did was making sure that they had gas supplies from other sources by building an expensive pipeline.


Posted by Daveon at January 17, 2009 10:08 PM
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