Yeah gotta love it... 'save' people from their low paid jobs that no Englishman wants to do and ship them back home to even lower paid jobs or no job at all in some third world hell hole... and then pat yourself on the back that you did good. The official mindset. What vermin.

MadMen deserve your attention, independently from other shows. Apples and oranges, and all that.

Mad Men is superb, can't wait for the fourth season to get here.

What I have never understood. If unlimited immigration from countries within the euro-zone is considered to be an economic asset then how can immigration restrictions of say Japanese people also be good thing.
Poles good, Japanese bad?

I just don't understand how its possible to believe BOTH that unlimited immigration within the EU is economically beneficial AND that immigration from outside the EU must be strictly controlled

This is obviously the official view of the governing class. Can someone explain to me how it fits together?

Money earned by European migrants gets spent in Europe. Some of the money earned by non-european migrants will get sent home rather than spent within the EU.

I don't see what is the issue. They are in the country illegally they should be expelled. What is the issue again?

Money earned by European migrants gets spent in Europe. Some of the money earned by non-european migrants will get sent home rather than spent within the EU.

So? Is there some reason money being spent in somewhere like, say, the Philippines, is a bad thing?

I don't see what is the issue. They are in the country illegally they should be expelled. What is the issue again?

The issue is I do not see what the problem is with them being in the country doing work Brits do not want to do for both their own and the consumers of the goods they help produce benefit.

Perry: To be fair, I am not sure Gareth was arguing for this position so much as explaining to me how those who do distinguish between EU and non EU immigrants justify it.

What is the issue again?

Morality.

If you can say

If I had to feed my kids I’d do exactly the same thing.

then you should probably not be persecuting people for such things.

"I just don't understand how its possible to believe BOTH that unlimited immigration within the EU is economically beneficial AND that immigration from outside the EU must be strictly controlled. This is obviously the official view of the governing class. Can someone explain to me how it fits together?"

It doesn't "fit together" - it's primevil fucking gibberish - the State is an attempt to achieve the impossible by means of closing your eyes and pushing as hard as you can.

"The issue is I do not see what the problem is with them being in the country doing work Brits do not want to do for both their own and the consumers of the goods they help produce benefit."

There are no works Brits do not want to do, there are works Brits do not want to do for a certain wage. The possibility to live from other people money helps increasing that number.

If the people, the owners of the country do not want foreign people there or better stop at a certain number of foreign people which i think it is the opinion that should be enforced.

Ah, the joys of watching daytime television at work.

I'll have to get hold of Mad Men on Blu-ray.

In those brief bits of "Madmen" that I have seen I can not get past the snide little political points.

"But it is not about that Paul - it is about how everyone and everything looked and sounded, it is about STYLE".

Yes I know - but I see the political agenda and (being the sad @@@@@@ I am) I do not like it.

But then I am one of the few people who see the politics of the "Bourne" films.

For example. the enemies of democracy in Russia are people in favour of "privitization" - freedom (in the Matt Damon universe) being about "public control of resources".