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November 29, 2009
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I am almost surprised that we were treated so moderately by our captors – apart, that is, from the tragic, largely unexplained, decision to kill Tom Fox, the American Quaker.

- Norman Kember, writing in the Guardian.

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Stockholm syndrome, or self justification, or pre-existing prejudice? I guess all three.


Posted by Pat at November 29, 2009 10:31 PM

Tom Fox was murdered, not killed.

Cowardice does indeed take many forms.


Posted by Spectre765 at November 29, 2009 10:43 PM

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...."


Posted by PersonFromPorlock at November 29, 2009 10:54 PM

Maybe Norman Kember may have had a point or two to make, but maybe he might not have been interested in making them in that article.

So, I shall suppose:
The Iraqis had become accustomed to living under the psychotic Saddams and their despotic regime. Despite the killing of thousands of Kurds in Iraq in the 1980s (ruled belatedly in 2005 by a court in the Hague as being an act of genocide):

"Why we fight(Link)"

- life went on and presumably seemed to make some kind of sense and offered some kind of fragile stability and security. What did the typical Iraqis know or even care about the genocide of the Kurdish tribes? They had to survive.

That survival and stability would have been threatened - potentially and in reality - by the US/British invading and bringing war and death by the overturning of the Saddam regime, and by the imposition of a system of democratic freedom and relatively improved liberty. Meanwhile, many Iraqis just could not understand it and their perception is that the infidels are still killing innocent civilians.

Regardless of the motivation, what "right" had the US/British to do this? Things like democratic freedom and liberty probably were and still are largely unwanted in this generally secular Islamic state. Those things simply do not compute in the context of the prevailing, still primitive tribalism and stone-age politico-religious ideology of Islamic Iraq. That context certainly cannot be changed overnight.

Despite the invasion, despite Iraq's many plus points - including its people, its physical beauty and richness of natural resources - most of Iraq is still in an essentially barbaric state, part of the third world and uncivilized in Western eyes, held back by its despotic leadership - the Saddams before and now the Muslim clerics alike.

History shows (e.g., as in many African states) that you cannot just drag barbarians into civilization. They will tend to revert to type - "regression towards the mean". It takes years of education and acculturation of successive generations to overcome the dark ages of the past. Look at the baptism by fire that Europe had to go through to find some enlightenment and get to where it is and to enable things like the Magna Carta to be created and to set the way for the greatest free country on the planet - the US - to form itself.

Trying to do that to Iraq - as though it is some kind of SIMS game - is just hubris.


Posted by Pedant at November 30, 2009 12:16 AM

Pssst, Pedant, don't tell the Germans, the Austrians, the Japanese, the Jordanians, the South Koreans, the Phillipines, the Poles, the Czechs, the Slavs....


Posted by veryretired at November 30, 2009 01:22 AM

Seems that Kember has lost his wits-Does he not understand that Fox was a prize because he was American?


Posted by Valerie at November 30, 2009 01:57 AM

American - and named FOX! Could have been a bit of both - no?


Posted by Sean O'Callaghan at November 30, 2009 03:43 AM

Reminds me of this comment by the editor of the Melbourne Age


Posted by Matt at November 30, 2009 11:34 AM

I did not support the judgement to go into Iraq - but certain points must be made.

The Iraqi people could have asked the Americans to go at any time - via the representatives the Iraqi people elected. So there is no "occupation".

Now were there any "revenge attacks" on Iraqi cities.

I short Mr Norman Kember is not a noble pacifist, a "reasoned opponent" of the Iraq war. Mr Norman Kember is a lying pig who defends the very people who murdered his friend Tom Fox.


Posted by Paul Marks at December 1, 2009 09:23 PM

If Norman Kember is indeed a "lying pig", as Paul Marks suggests, then perhaps it was Kember's ability to dissemble that ensured his survival. We may never know.

We can only suppose what life must have been like for Kember and Fox. Maybe the experience was enough to break a man, just as the experience of war can sometimes break a man. It certainly changes them.

As for the "unexplained" decision to kill Tom Fox (the American Quaker), well, to a Muslim he presumably would have represented (from memory) the Great Devil (USA) and he was a particularly nasty type of infidel - a believer in God who would have respected the beliefs of other blasphemous and Christian creeds.

Furthermore, being a Quaker, he might not have yielded or dissembled as someone with weaker or no religious beliefs might have done. His Muslim captors might thus have thought it was a no-brainer as to whether it was their duty to despatch him.


Posted by Pedant at December 2, 2009 08:21 AM
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