The jewel in the crown of Samizdata.net
A blog for people with a critically rational individualist perspective. We are developing the social individualist meta-context for the future. From the very serious to the extremely frivolous... lets see what is on the mind of the Samizdata people.

Samizdata, derived from Samizdat /n. a system of clandestine publication of banned literature in the USSR
[Russ.,= self-publishing house]
There is much to find for those who look
We are not alone
Made possible by...
 
July 20, 2009
Monday
 
 
Beyond NASA
Dale Amon (Belfast, Northern Ireland/Laramie, Wy)  Aerospace

The Moon Society is looking Beyond NASA. While I would prefer a pure free market opening of the moon, the practicalities are that libertarian ideas are not globally influential enough to let us have our way. Peter Kokh discusses ideas that might at least let us get an opportunity to plant and grow the tree of liberty off world.

Comments

Historically, all 'exploration' has been in the service of 'exploitation'. The notion of exploration simply for knowledge is a powerful myth, however. It matters little whether it be state-sponsored or private.


Posted by Patrick B at July 20, 2009 05:05 PM

'Exploitation' of whom exactly, Patrick?


Posted by Alisa at July 20, 2009 07:08 PM

Not "of whom", Alisa, but "of what". Historically, explorers were looking for gold, spices, furs, trade routes, etc. Settlers followed seeking land to farm, religious, political or economic freedom, etc. I think that was Patrick's point, and it is a valid one. It's also Ian B's argument in other threads, and while I criticize him for his lack of vision I don't dispute his point that there needs to be the expectation of an economic payoff someday to justify the adventure. Some of us believe it will be found; others don't see it. Only time will tell.


Posted by Laird at July 20, 2009 08:22 PM

I don't know what came over me and made me think of Patrick's comment along the lines of the most simple-minded of the Marxist drivel - probably an overdose of Israeli blogs...Apologies:-)


Posted by Alisa at July 20, 2009 09:24 PM

It's OK, Alisha, natural mistake, my sloppy wording: anyway, I too see Marxists under the bed every day.

Following Laird, what we need is an economic development model for space exploration. Proven reserves of something valuable on the Moon could be followed by an auction of mineral rights, probably conducted by the UN (at last, a use for that thing). Alongside that, a settlement scheme might be in order. Developing the Prairies in Canada is an instance. Moosejaw, Saskatchewan, was probably as far from support as the Moon is today---some might argue it still is---but the land-hungry of Europe went off with their quarter section grant, seeds, and tools.

The auction might yield the funds to set up and operate a transport link. Again, think Prairies, think railways. Fares would be charged, but effectively subsidised. Priority on the Moon Express could go to successful bidders in the land auction, with others on a first-come basis.

Step one must be a thorough economic resource survey of the Moon. Perhaps only government agencies are capable of carrying this out, though a good deal of the mapping and resource-finding in the C19th was private venture. The British Royal Navy did much of the ocean and harbour surveying, and it served trade as well as war-making.

Analogies are tricky things, but there are possibilities. As a conservative libertarian I believe in learning from the past---another form of exploitation!


Posted by Patrick B at July 21, 2009 12:04 AM

An auction by the UN? By what right? If anyone "owns" the moon it's whoever gets there first and homesteads it. (Not just lands once and puts up a flag, but establishing a permanent settlement.)


Posted by Laird at July 22, 2009 04:06 AM

Laird:

I suggested the UN for want of anything more obviously useful. I hold the UN in almost complete contempt, but it might be possible for it to play an arbiter role this instance.

What about the peaceful apportioning of Antarctica a few decades ago? The problem there was that it was in no-one's interest to have territorial disputes flare up. Some might argue that it worked because there were no significant resources to be coveted at the time. The growing rumbles about under-sea oil and so on in the Arctic would support this point.

However, while you pick up the homesteading concept from my Prairies analogy, I think it is unlikely to be acceptable, or practicable. Non-State development of Moon resources is going to require international co-operation, and the best vehicle for that is private enterprise, not one-state monopoly. I do think consortia of governments may have to get into the transportation business because of the huge up-front investment required. The common carrier concept would apply here: a fare for services would be charged to recover some of the needed investment. The rest of the investment could be redeemed by import taxes on mined material. If off-Earth manufacturing takes hold, finished goods could still be taxed.

Private industry functions much like this anyway: roads, state railways, state power grids and so on; manufacturing and consumer taxes; and environmental and factory regulations.

If the Moon, and more distant space, is to be developed, I think we should be using tried and tested models and concepts. Totally novel mechanisms would only add to the problems developers face.


Posted by Patrick B at July 22, 2009 05:18 PM
Post a comment









Remember personal info?


Enter anti-spambot Turing code:





Select some text and click this to format it as a quote Make the selected text bold Make the selected text italic Add a web link


Basic html active.

Alas, but for obscure reasons Mozilla, Mac and Linux users shall not harness to power of the push-button formatting options and shall therefore compose basic html with their bare hands. Yet Mozilla, Mac and Linux users shall not fear, for we shall reveal forthwith the mysteries of Basic Html:

<strong>This text in-between is bold</strong>

<em>This text is in italics</em>

And
<blockquote>This is a quote</blockquote>
Remember to close your opened tags as such: <tag> tagged text and closing </tag> and we promise you will get out of here alive.

For adding links, either use the link URL button on the toolbar or enter your code by hand in the following format:
<a href="http://www.your_link.com">your link text or description here</a>

Movable Type's anti-spambot e-mail address protection is enabled.

You are a guest on private property. Have fun but please be civil and succinct. Blogroaches will be persecuted, not to mention IP banned.

Long third party quotes or articles will also be deleted... so just link to articles you think are germane to your comment, don't quote the whole bloody thing.