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December 04, 2008
Thursday
 
 
Bussard Fusion test will be funded
Dale Amon (Belfast, Northern Ireland/Laramie, Wy)  Science & Technology

I have still not seen any results from the testing earlier this year, but those results must have been at least passingly interesting, because the Navy is funding further development.

The Bussard Fusion device, the Polywell, uses pure electrostatic containment and has more in common with the old vacuum tube (or valves as they were know over here) than it does with the multi-billion dollar electromagnetic confinement projects most people are familiar with.

It is still far from certain the technology will pan out, but it has gone much further into the the real hardware realm than any other low cost fusion technology to date.

If this device does work, what can we do with it? What impacts do you think a device would have which could produce 10 MW of electricity from a 1.5 meter sphere and (initially) perhaps a truckload of auxiliary gear? Submarines, aircraft carriers, laser cannon power systems, entire towns with self-sufficiency in power, ion engines for outer planet exploration, power for lunar and Mars settlements...

What can you come up with?

Comments

Dale, the one MAJOR drawback is that it would need heavy water. BUT this could be a double plus for any enterpreneur who comes up with a cheap heavy-water filter! You could sell it to the crowd that believes that longer life comes from heavy water (a recent claim that was in the news), and you can later sell it to people who want their own fusion plant!
I wonder how soon before we run out of heavy water? Our demands will go up as we become consumers, but it's one way to get the oceans to drop!


Posted by Superautonomist! at December 4, 2008 06:10 AM

We aren't going to run short of Deuterium any time soon and in any case it uses Hydrogen and Boron-11.

If anyone has been reading science mags lately, there is an idea being taken seriously that drinking heavy water can have a large impact on lifespan, perhaps a 20% increase. You'll have to go read the articles to find out how, but it has to do with extra resiliency of stronger covalent bonds of heavier isotopes against anti-oxidant attacks..


Posted by Dale Amon at December 4, 2008 06:25 AM

Dale,

Head of the Polywell Project Dr. Rick Nebel (he likes to be called Rick) has said the contracts that you refer to (there are actually 3 of them) are keep alive funds until the final review of the WB-7 experiments is completed.

However, he has never said publicly when that might be. I am in personal contact with him from time to time and he has never let that cat out of the bag. So all that remains is to be patient.

BTW if you want to concentrate heavy water without a lot of eqpt (and rather inefficiently at that) boil a pot of water until 90% of your starting amount is gone. Save the remainder. Do that with 9 more pots of water. Then get your remainders together and boil off 90% of that.

What is left will contain an enhanced amount of heavy water vs the stuff that comes out of the tap.


Posted by M. Simon at December 4, 2008 08:18 AM

humm.. lets see.. the end of the universe?


Posted by complience at December 4, 2008 09:30 AM

Yeah, this is just the team together funding while a decision is being made. However, the fact that someone thinks it worthwhile to keep the team together leaves me feeling optimistic. The data must have something going for them. And the good Dr Nebel has gone on record as saying the next step is a 100 MW prototype.


Posted by CountingCats at December 4, 2008 10:09 AM

How about aircraft with 100 times the carrying capacity of today? Mobile oceanic cities?

My personal ambition is to homestead Jupiter orbit and make use of all that lovely mass just floating there, free for the taking (less inertia costs).


Posted by CountingCats at December 4, 2008 10:17 AM

The potential uses for this technology (if it pans out) are almost limitless.

1) Household/apartment block level energy independence.

2) Portable generators for a wide variety of uses.

3) Space travel and habitation.

4) Something like the Mr Fusion device from BTTFII for powering cars and other vehicles (minus the need to feed it banana skins and other assorted trash)

This could be just as important (or more so) than the steam engine. Lets just hope that it works and that it becomes easy enough for the layman to use.


Posted by mandrill at December 4, 2008 10:56 AM

Shortly speaking, too beautiful to be true...


Posted by BOGDAN OF ENUCHALIA at December 4, 2008 12:01 PM

If only this would work as well. A combination of this with cheap fusion power would have awesome consequences for space travel.


Posted by knirirr at December 4, 2008 12:06 PM

This, if it works, won't provide energy independence for your local apartment block. Too expensive.

Power output scales by the seventh power, so there are real economies of scale - if it works, bigger really will be better.


Posted by CountingCats at December 4, 2008 01:07 PM

Counting:

There are some significant issues with cooling if made too large, due to the energy density.

10MW to 100MW seems to be the sweet spot. If you need more, just gang them together in the same facility.

But I agree that 10MW is too big for a residential block - more like 500 homes.


Posted by David Jay at December 4, 2008 09:42 PM

IIRC drinking heavy water is not recommended as the osmotic pressure is different from light water and causes cell damage.

Sorry I can't remember where I read this.


Posted by Mike Borgelt at December 4, 2008 11:38 PM

Dale, you'll also have competition from Hyperion, which is planning to make mass-produced, small, nuclear reactors!
All this sounds like spacecraft are just around the corner! I wonder how much they'll cost? Could I recoup the mortgage by selling myself as a cruise-boat operator? And what fancy nick-name could I use, like 'Flash', or 'Buck'?...


Posted by Nuke Gray! at December 5, 2008 05:07 AM

Hyperion are ready to go right now. All is in place to go as soon as final paperwork is done. However, Hyperion, now, is unlikely to be competitive against Bussard in seven years time, if Bussard works at all.

Clean Bussard we may have in the future, dirty Hyperion we got now. Two different markets.


Posted by CountingCats at December 5, 2008 06:26 AM

Heavy water affects the speed of reactions. I seem to remember that experiments in the 70's showed that at 52% D20 mice became sterile. The most expensive method of contraception ever invented.


Posted by RW at December 5, 2008 10:23 AM

Water de-salination and purification. Make the whole f'ing desert bloom.

Conversion of waste and tougher biomass into cheap syn-gas.

Making energy--electricity--cheap enough to put heating coils under the driveway and sidewalk so you never have to shovel them again.


Posted by Billy Oblivion at December 5, 2008 04:17 PM

I think high voltage is making a comeback.
Voltage can be temperature.


Posted by Craig at December 5, 2008 04:44 PM
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