Whatever puts bees in those savages' pantyhose suits me to a T.

As usual, the UN is sucking up to islamofascist countries who want this stopped. The usual cultural relativism. Bah!

Anders Fogh's comment to 11 muslim ambassadors, who had come to Denmark to demand action, was priceless. He simply said "in Denmark we have freedom of press" and refused to meet with them. Cojones!

Scanian Redneck - The Danish prime minister's name is Anders Fogh Rasmussen. He told them he had no control over the press and nor did he want such control. For such a bunch of control freaks, his words must have been baffling. They're probably still trying to figure it out.

The best bit is I only found two of them in the slightest funny and that was stretching it. The rest were not worth bothering about at all. Whoever is complaining about these needs to get a life.

On the other hand it was worth seeing what all the fuss is about.

Dave Petterson says flippantly, and somewhat tritely, "Whoever is complaining about these needs to get a life."

Surely you are aware that it is the Muslim "leaders" and foreign ambassadors who are complaining, about this. Death threats have been issued to the editor of the newspaper, as is their wont. In case you missed it, in Islam, they're not allowed to depict Mohammad for some unknown reason - and these primitives are trying to impose their desert, tribal rules on the civilised world. The Danes have resisted. The Muslims then had an international Islamic conference about the "problem". Then they got the UN involved in sovereign Denmark's free press. Bravely, the Danes have held their ground.

Number 7 is my favourite.

They don't allow pictures of Mo or other "prophets" because they are afraid the images will be worshipped as idols. Worshipping an "idol" is just about the worst thing that one can do in Islam.

Go figure.

Susan - Do they allow images of Aisha, the big Mo's 6-year old bride? Or was she a prophet, and thus exempt from the image problem?

Perspective again: This isn't just a peculiarity of Islam. Iconoclasm is a strong tradition in Judaism and Christianity, too. From the legend of the Golden Calf on, it has gone in waves. Though you do see representational art in synagogues, abstraction is strongly favoured, and pictures of God are definitely taboo in a relgious context.

Iconoclastic fervour also accounts for the pitiful, gutted state of many Anglican churches in England, vandalised at the Reformation or during the Civil War, and for the sparse, bare boxes preferred as places of worship by a variety of Protestant sects.

Not worshipping idols was how the Jews in particular distinguished themselves from other ancient eastern cultures, and this feature was consciously or unconsciously copied by Muhammad when setting Islam apart from the folk religions of Arabia. There is, however, a tradition in which he had an image of the virgin and child preserved when other idols found in the Kaaba were destroyed.

Pushy clerics looking to bolster their power by arousing communal anger should be firmly told to get lost without further comment, just as the Danish government has done. Sad to say, the UK's line in the Satanic Verses affair--which started as a piece of communitarian dirty politics in India--was a bit more equivocal.

Here lies the problem: A "multiculturist" cringe, where obeisance is paid to abstractly defined groups who shout loudly or who might complain of racism, will find thugs to exploit it, internally or internationally. Picking out some abstractly defined groups (as opposed to pernicious practices) as especially dangerous gives comfort to two sets of thugs: the self-selected community-leaders those groups are then encouraged to turn to, and the spiritual heirs of Adolf who recycle propaganda among themselves and spread the herd-poison.

If we want an enlightened individualist society rather than to regress into brutish tribalism, then we should neither recognise group claims, nor in the public sphere attribute group characteristics to individuals.

Raise your lamp high, Diogenes, and help us find an artist courageous enough to produce and exhibit a "Piss Muhammed".

I couldn't care less about the superstitions of a bunch of primitives living in caves and sand pits, but what is important is, Mr Rasmussen brought Western enlightenment and rationality to the non-issue by refusing to engage with these individuals. Tony Blair would have held meetings with the Muslim Council and "community leaders" and then agreed to put a law in place forbidding pix of their prophet. Mr Rasmussen and Flemming Rose, the editor who commissioned the illustrations, stood calmly and firmly for Western values.

These whiners are the same people who complain of American cultural imperialism because people like Coke and Starbucks. There is no more rigid, aggressive, ignorant bunch of cultural imperialists in the world than Muslims who, as a group, are intent on forcing their preposterous beliefs on the rest of the world. Give me Starbucks any day.

Using stripcreator.com and Kaddar - Arabian character, you can easily make your own Mohammed cartoons.

Fun for the whole family. Until the Muslims come to behead you all in an orgy of blood and retribution.

Nicely put Verity.

Verity, do you have your own blog? I love your comments and think you should start a blog. Happy Christmukkah!

Moany Lisa - Thank you and no, I don't have a blog. I find there are enough entertaining subjects on Samizdata. I do occasionally blog over on the Anglosphere, but I've been otherwise occupied for most of this month.

Yeah, who cares about Guy Herbert's salient, thoughtful and informative comment? Let's just bash Muslims because, well, we can. It's what this blog is about, after all.

Sickening. The actions of many, many Muslims is disgraceful, and has to change, but to call them "a bunch of primitives living in caves and sand pits" is reflective of immense anti-intellectualism. Would you apply the same epithet to your own ancestors, Verity, perhaps barring swapping sand pits for bogs?

is reflective of immense anti-intellectualism.

Welcome back, Winzeler! Haven't seen you around for a while (I used to comment under the nom de plume "I'm Suffering For My Art"). However, I am currently enjoying Christmas in south western China and haven't been online much, so I may have missed your commenting over the last month or so. Merry Christmas regardless, and it's good to have you back. Merry Christmas to the rest of the Samizdatistas and commentariat.

James Waterton - How nice to hear from you! I'll never forget that moment when you strode onto the stage and unmasked Bollo! "J'accuse!" One of the great moments in Blogdom.

How is China?

What's up GF, didn't you get the Junior Jihadi Martyrdom Kit in your Christmas Stocking?
Never mind,take the training wheels off your bike and go for a spin.

Susan - Do they allow images of Aisha, the big Mo's 6-year old bride? Or was she a prophet, and thus exempt from the image problem?

No, they do not allow images of Aisha or other family members of Mo either. Note this is in Sunni tradition; the Shiites do allow two-dimensional images -- but not sculptures -- of the prophet's family. They mostly like to depict his cousin and son-in-law, Ali bin Abi Talib, whom they consider a sort of great saint, next only in reverence to Mohammed himself. They would probably not concern themselves with portraits of Aisha, whom Shiites blame for the death of Ali.

Shiite portraits of Ali look very much like Catholic portraits of Jesus BTW. They even put halos around his head etc.

Happy Christmas/winter solstice/Hanukkah to all at Samizdata!

Suffering, I haven't been around much this year. I've been getting rid of one business and trying to work my way into another. Merry Christmas to you to.

Back atcha, Susan. I have enjoyed your informed and informative comments throughout the year. And some of the funny thoughts you have posted on Biased BBC.

Have a happy Christmas and a good New year.

This is not striclly, not even remotely really, related to the topic, at least the fundamentalist bashing part of it, but it does bear on civil liberties which was the other byline.

Civil Liberties / Regulation

I read an article in the Telegraph, thought crimes for children.

Another nail in the coffin ? or a justifiable method of reducing the delinquency of the nation ?

Later

Gengee

It disturbs me that people have allowed themselves, through ignorance, to have their opinion formed by the BBC (and the MSM in the US). Gengee refers to "fundamentalists". Doubtless he also refers to suicide bombers in Israel as "Palestinian militants" and the whackos who lopped off the heads of three Christian girls walking to school as "insurgents in Indonesia". Other acceptable terms are "in an incident involving people of Middle Eastern or Mediterranean appearance". Can you spot the missing word?

This is how the left wants you to view aggressive, violent Islam. Islam is a political, warrior philosophy and its point is conquest. It is overwhelmingly young men who carry out acts of mass murder and suicide, but they are encouraged in this by a vast international and domestic structure of older men who do the organising, the training and run the supply lines. The structure of Islam, run by older males and executed by younger, very stupid males hungry for glory is geared to conquest.

Although most Islamics would not commit mass murder and suicide themselves, that does not mean that they do not approve of the warriors who do. Even the ones who don't really think it's a good idea do not positively disapprove. (Yes, yes, I know there are some, although very few, given the enormous Islamic population of the world, who sincerely hate the current 30-year war of terrorism. The King of Jordan is one.)

These mass murdering and maiming suicidees are not acting alone. They are acting with the approval, tacit or otherwise, of most of their society.

The BBC is soothing you with non-threatening terms. It has its own agenda.

I see that Islamaphobia rules okay under the name of truth.

I've got this idea for a 'Satanic Cartoon', but given that I can't draw worth a damn you'll have to content yourselves with a description of it.

Picture this - Mohammed, looking bit shame-faced, in handcuffs in a station of the Greater Mecca Police. The desk sergeant is leaning over, wagging his finger sternly and saying "I don't care if you are the Prophet of the One True God, matey. You're on the 'Register' for dipping your wick in a minor, therefore you will report to my nick every Friday. And let's have none of this nonsense about you being at 'prayers'.

There. Think that's enough to earn me a fatwa or three?

And before anyone hurls accusation of muslim-bashing, all I'm doing is illustrating some of the absurdity of the so-called 'religion of peace'. Consider this: in muslim eyes the Qu'ran is the unreconstructed word of God - the unalloyed truth. Therefore, Mohammed did in truth marry and have sex with a child. Given that Mo' is the most holy figure in the Qu'ran (God notwithstanding) it's reasonable to assume that muslims condone (I'll not go so far as to accuse them of approving of) pedarasty. Simple logic otherwise Mohammed would not be venerated in the way he is.

Of course, if muslims condemn sexual acts with children then they must surely condemn their prophet. Again, simple logic. OK, muslims could turn round and say 'Ah yes, but Mohammed was commanded by God'. This begs the question is saying 'Gold told me to' be a viable defence for kiddie-fiddling in Islamic countries? I would love to see this issue debated in a high profile public forum (I mean in addition to this hallowed ground!), but of course it won't be. The multi-culti conspiracy of silence will see to that.

Oh well, at least we can vent our spleens to each other.

Hope those of you who keep Christmas had a good one.

Cheers

Ed

Ed T

I would LOVE to see a cartoon like that!

I hope everyone had a nice Christmas.

Or you could do Mo up on a stage and dressed like Gary Glitter.

The cartoons, without popups, are also here:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/c-fu/Blog/cns!1pQ41vk1Z_wf8SBImT-gLELw!937.entry

Actually, though, maybe not. I don't think Gary Glitter's been accused of molesting anyone of nine. They all seem to have been around 11.

So, on that basis Gary Glitter would be no good as the prophet of a world-wide Abrahamic religion?

Doh! I succumbed to the opportunity to poke fun at Islam. Oh well, don't think I'll lose much sleep over it.

Ed

I see that Islamaphobia rules okay under the name of truth.

Yes, I am Islamo-phobic. I am also Nazi-phobic, Communist-phobic, Racist-phobic, Stupidity-phobic, etc. etc.

Is that a problem for you?

What Perry said. All those things.

I am -phobic of nothing since all my fears are rational and quite thought out thank you very much.

Islamists are the greatest threat to world peace and the safety of all of us...of this I am in doubt.

I see that in the HQ of the religion of peace, Saudi Arabia, a judge has sentenced a migrant Indian worker to have an eye gouged out.

He was a petrol station attendant (Saudis don't want to work as petrol station attendants) and there was a disagreement with a customer about payment. The Indian tackled him, a fight ensued and the fellow apparently later lost the sight of an eye. The Indian says the eye injury was self-inflicted as the fellow had picked a fight with him. That's just how these religion of peace adherents settle their differences, especially with inconsequential low rent Indian immigrants who leave their homes to work in laid back Saudi Arabia to support their families back in India.

The Indian government has sent a "mercy petititon" asking that their overseas Indian worker be spared his eye.

Interesting about the Indian worker in Saudi. I suppose he must have been a Muslim. Or was what I heard about the Saudis not admitting Hindus or Buddhists on religious grounds wrong? Imagine the uproar if an Islamic terrorist who caused an innocent Muslim civilian to lose an eye was deprived of an eye at Guantanamo! The Saudis would condemn it as an attack on Islam.

Robert Spiers - I think your information is incorrect. There are a lot of Filippinas working as maids, as I understand it, and they are overwhelmingly Christian. A lot of men and women from Sri Lanka as well, although they do have Muslims in Sri Lanka and they may be Muslim. The also import Indonesians, because they are, by and large, Muslim.

I don't think there's any particular veto on Hindus or Buddhists. I could be wrong, but surely they need people to keep the country running - as in petrol stations - during five-times-a-day prayers? And all day Fridays?

Incidentally, I forgot to note that I read the original, longer, piece on Little Green Footballs.

I hope I won't disturb anyone if I SCREAM but I have just seen this (Link) about the publication of the cartoons and the Danish Prime Minister, and if I were living in the EU, I would gnaw my own leg off to get out.

"Franco Frattini, the Deputy EU commissioner for Justice, Freedom, and Security, (oh, pulleeeeeze) noting the publication as "foolishness and indiscretion" condemned the cartoons Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rassmussen backed up on the grounds of "freedom of speech and thought".

"Such publications, Frattini emphasized, will serve to radicalism by fomenting hostility against Islam and foreigners. "

This unelected invertebrate has crawled out of his putrid pond to condemn a brave elected leader of a very brave country. He has declared that Mr Rasmussen "used freedom of the press as an excuse". He added that the "the media is not free to make a news story out of anything". There is a large iguana who takes the sun on my wall who has more brains in his lizard head than this pre-Ice Age lump of primitive algae and probably has a better developed sense of honour.

Something smells rotten and it certainly isn't in the state of Denmark. If you go to the link, have some tissues handy for wiping the foam off your monitor.

Unless I miss my guess, Frattini is not Danish. His comments seem to me to be somewhat hostile towards Danes. So, isn't he also fomenting hostility towards Danes (ie, foreigners)?

If anyone agrees with the freedom of publication of the cartoons about Mohammed why don't you give a support mail to the Jyllands Posten newspaper, e.g. mailaddress jp@jp.dk

I have copied the drawings of Prophet Mohammed to my hard drive & will post them everywhere I possibly can, to attempt to spread freedom of the press & more importantly, freedom of thought. Christians are occasionally offended by this, but at least we do not organize death threats & offer rewards for killing. Since others are attempting to forcefully censor what I can view, or even draw myself, I resist their censorship efforts with all the fanaticism of every man who ever died in the name of freedom! FREEDOM!

May Allah give you all what you deserve!
You fear what the muslims will do to you, verily you should fear what Allah will do to you, for he is All Merciful but he is also harsh in his punishment. I suggest you repent before it is too late.

May Allah give you all what you deserve!

I rather doubt we are going to be given what we deserve by some figment of your imagination.

You fear what the muslims will do to you, verily you should fear what Allah will do to you, for he is All Merciful but he is also harsh in his punishment. I suggest you repent before it is too late.

But that said, thanks for confirming all the stereotypes and eloquently making the point that there can be no accomodation with people who respond to everything with mindless anti-intellectual religious slogans.

I think few people will deny that a fair number of people with an islamic faith have terrible ideas. The same is true for a fair number of Christians, Hindus etc., too. However, we should respect the fact that some people do have religous beliefs. I am quite amazed at the amount of brainless bashing that takes place here by people who claim to be enlightened, rational and so forth. Call me a sissy, but PEACE is the answer!

For all those who call this freedom of speech are a bunch of losers! This is insulting other religions. If it was Jesus that was in the pictures im sure christians will be as upset as well. These are prophets that u are making fun of.. Whoever is responsible for this will be punished in hell.. TRUST ME!!

we should respect the fact that some people do have religous beliefs. I am quite amazed at the amount of brainless bashing that takes place here by people who claim to be enlightened, rational and so forth. Call me a sissy, but PEACE is the answer!

But Bernhard, freedom of speech means NOT having to 'respect' points of view we disagree with. Yes, some people do have religious beliefs and I respect their right to hold those beliefs (i.e. I tolerate them), but that is not the same as respecting those beliefs themselves. People have a right to demand tolerance from me, they have no right to demand acceptance and agreement or silence from me.

Tell me, people also have racist beliefs, communist beliefs, fascist beliefs... I respect people's right to hold absurd views abut I have no hesitation poking fun at people who hold those views. Are you suggesting otherwise?

And also tell me, if pease is the answer, what do you have to say to those muslims who threaten violence against the people behind Jyllands Posten? If peace is the answer, does that not also apply to Danish people experessing their views without fear of violence?

For all those who call this freedom of speech are a bunch of losers! This is insulting other religions.

If it is not freedom of speech, what is it then? Are you suggesting people should only be free to say thing everyone wants to hear? What am I allowed to insult according to you? Can I insult a person's political views? Their choises of clothing? Their grammer?

If it was Jesus that was in the pictures im sure christians will be as upset as well. These are prophets that u are making fun of.. Whoever is responsible for this will be punished in hell.. TRUST ME!!

Sure, some Christians would be upset, but do you think they would be calling for the Danish government, rather than 'God', to punish them? Somehow I do not think so. Feel free to call for them to be punished in 'hell', but how do you respond to those muslims who think Jyllands Posten should be 'punished' in this world? What are your views about that? Is that ok with you?

Well, the link to the cartoons doesn't seem to work at all. Any other sites for them? Thanks.

Any information on how to support the Danish paper would be useful too.

Go free-speechers! Without freedom of speech, what freedom do we have?

Peace be upon those who follow the true guidance:

I have reviewed what some of the news agencies dealt with concerning the Danish news agency Jyllands-Posten had published, which I believe it to be a heinous mistake and dreadful deviation from the path of justice, reverence and equality. The said agency published 12 cartoon caricatures on the 30th of September, 2005, ridiculing Mohammed , the messenger of Islam. One of these cartoons pictures Allah's Messenger PBUH, wearing a turban that resembles a bomb wrapped around his head. What a pathetic projection!

I was extremely saddened to read such news.
I personally visited the site of the agency on the net.
I examined the size of the blundering scandal it was. On Sept 29th, 2005 issue of , Jyllands-Posten, I saw and read dreadful news and cartoons.
The news and the cartoons were horrifying and extremely disturbing to me.

I believe al Muslims who read, viewed or learned about this news were equally saddened, disappointed and disturbed. All criticized such work and felt awful and dismayed about it. Similarly, I do believe that all sane and wise people, I believe, would feel the same about it.

The contemporary world is witnessing today great much confusion all over. Innocent blood is being shed. Innocent lives are being harvested by oppression and transgression. We are in utmost need to spread peace, justice and love all over the world. We need to call for the respect and reverence of all Divine and heavenly Messages and Scriptures. By doing so, we would be able to preserve the divine messages and demonstrate love, appreciation and reverence to the Prophets and Messengers of Allah, the Almighty to this world.
We would further help to preserve the souls, honor and belongings of all mankind all-over-the-world. We would further demonstrate the respect and honor of the human rights all over the world.

The claim of Jyllands-Posten newspaper that they allow, promote and practice freedom-of-speech, by publishing cartoons ridiculing Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, is a non-convincing claim. All worlds' constitutions and international organizations insist on and demand to respect all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah, the Almighty. Moreover, they confirm the necessity to respect the Divine Messages, respect others and do not attack the privacy, dignity and honor and principles of others.

In the International World Federation Council of media and press people, it is stated:

) Media people must be alert of risks that may arise as a result of prejudice and discrimination implied by the media. The Council would exert every possible effort to avoid being involved in such calls, which are based on prejudice and religion, sex or other social differences discrimination.
A media man may commit a dangerous professional deviation such as: claiming other's work, ill-interpretation of facts, false accusations of others, condemning others for no basis, accusing others with their integrity and honor for no sound basis or accepting bribes to either publish or prevent the publishing of specific materials.
A noteworthy media-person should believe that it is their duty to give an honest attention to the aforementioned items, and through the general framework of the law in each country.)
Therefore, we also base our opinion and/or statements herein on an honest and sound media proclamation requesting the Danish newspaper to apologize for what they did. The proclamations states: "The media person would exert every possible effort to correct, modify any published information that he/she noticed that they are inaccurate and/or harmful to others."

Undoubtedly, what the Danish newspaper; Jyllands-Posten published is harmful not only for more than two hundred thousand Danish citizen, but also to more than one-billion-three-hundred-million Muslims along with others who are fair and just people. All these hurt people honor, respect and love Mohammed the Prophet. This action will continue to hurt and harm all Muslims so long we live on the face-of-this-earth. Denmark, if does not deal with this problem on a fair ground, will also continue to be a source of harm and convulsion to many Muslims. This is because of the mentality of some Danish individuals who are anti-prophets, messengers and divine messages.

We would like to remind also with the decree which the Human Rights Agency in the United Nations adopted on the 12th of April, 2005. This decree insisted on the ban of distortions and vicious attacks against religions and especially Islam; which had been strongly attacked in the last few years.

If I ridicule something I think is ridiculous (a religion, for example), you think that is not just wrong, it is intolerable and should be prevented by force of law. Do I get the do the same to you? If some of the things you say are offensive to me, can I get the state to prevent you from expressing what you think?

In that case, if a person takes the view that as religion as probably killed more people throughout history that other other ideology, people should be prevented from advocating religion because that is "harmful", by your logic, why should people who think religion is nonsense tolerate your expression of religion if you will not tolerate their expression against religion? You have no right whatsoever not to be offended.

it was all shit from that journalist and soon he will see how will God punish him and make him an example ..
i cant belive they call this a freedom the denemark governement must punish that journalist and whom els did thos painting about the prophet Muhamed sala ALLAH alihe wasalam..
i wish all muslim arround the world wake up and be such aone hand to stand &face this evil

In The Name of Allah, The Most Merciful
The Most Kind

Muhammad
Prophet Muhammad was born in Makkah in the year 570. Since his father died before his birth and his mother died shortly thereafter, he was raised by his uncle who was from the respected tribe of Quraysh. He was raised illiterate, unable to read and write, and remained so till his death.His people, before his mission as a prophet, were ignorant of science and most of them were illiterate. As he grew up , he became known to be truthful, honest, trustworthy, generous, and sincere. He was so trustworthy that they called him the Trustworthy.( Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad , # 15078 ). Prophet Muhammad was very religious, and he had a long detested the decadence and idolatry of his society.

At the age of forty, Prophet Muhammad received his first revelation from God through the Angel Gabriel. The revelations continued for twenty -three years, and they are collectively known as the Qu'ran.

As soon as he began to recite the Qu'ran and to preach the truth which God had revealed to him , he and his small group of followers suffered presecution from unbelievers. The presecution grew so fierce that in the year 622 God gave them the command to immigrate. This emigration from Makkah to the city of Madinah,some 260 miles to the north, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.

After several years, Prophet Muhammad and his followers were able to return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies. Before Prophet Muhammad died, at the age of sixty-three, the greater part of the Arabian Peninsula had become Muslim, and within a century of his death , Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far East as China.Among the reasons for rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the truth and clarity of its doctrine. Islam calls for faith in only one GOD, who is the only one worthy of worship.

The Prophet Muhammad was a perfect example of an honest, just , merciful, compassionate,truthful, and brave human being. Though he was a man , he was far removed from all evil characteristics and strove solely for teh sake of God and His reward in the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings , he was ever mindful and fearful of GOD

His Last Sermon
(This Sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul Hijjah 10 A.H in the Uranah Valley of mount Arafat )

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I don't know whether, after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you carefully and TAKE THIS WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY. O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. ALLAH has forbidden you to take usury (Interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived... Beware of Satan, for your safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and comitted helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to commit adultery.

O People, listen to me in earnest, whorship ALLAH, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. YOU ARE ALL EQUAL. NOBODY HAS SUPERIORITY OVER OTHER EXCEPT BY PIETY AND GOOD ACTION.

Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me direcly. BE MY WITNESS O ALLAH THAT I HAVE CONVEYED YOUR MESSAGE TO YOUR PEOPLE."

Mohammed: please tell me what *you* think, not what your prophet said. I really could not care less what the prophet Mohammed said. As far as I am concerned, he is just a historical figure... but I would be quite interested to hear what the commenter called mohammed thinks himself. Without quoting anyone else, explain what YOU think and why I should change my views.

Like millions of people I am an agnostic so quoting religious texts at me is unlikely to change my mind. If I quoted the US Constitution at you, would that have much bearing on what you think? I suspect not.

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The Most Kind

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it's very simpl Ithink in all what Prophet Muhammad saids ....why? because he teels about ALLAH (GOD); not from US Constitution (Human like us)

Mohammed: that makes it rather hard for us to have a conversation seeing as you "think in all what the Prophet Muhammad saids" and I on the other hand regard the Prophet Muhammad as just a historical figure and I suspect that 'God' is just a psychological artifice.

To me, the US Constitution was at least a partially successful attempt to use reason to improve the human condition, written by rational people I can relate to, whereas I cannot see much reason being used by people who trot out religious texts as if those are self-evident.

I am quite a well educated guy and my refusal to accept religion as meaningful (be it Islam or any other) is not because I do not understand your religion, I do. I understand it just fine. I just do not think it makes much sense rationally and unless you can give me some astonishing perspective that I have previously missed, I am unlikely to change my mind. Feel free to try if you like but I do not rate your chances of success very highly.

Perry de Havilland:
1- My GOD said in The Holy QUR'AN:
2-256. (There is no compulsion in religion. Surely the right has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress and believes in ALLAH, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And ALLAH is All-Hearing. All-Knowing).
2- you said " I suspect that 'God' is just a psychological artifice"and you also said "To me, the US Constitution was at least a partially successful attempt to use reason to improve the human condition, written by rational people I can relate to, whereas" you well make your live in this stage
3- for me I do not have any problem for what you said" I can not see much reason being used by people who trot out religious texts as if those are self-evident."
4- I do not want to change your mind ,I want to explain what I think.
5- I am very sori about my language.

1- My GOD said in The Holy QUR'AN: 2-256. (There is no compulsion in religion. Surely the right has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress and believes in ALLAH, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And ALLAH is All-Hearing. All-Knowing).

Certainly it is irrational to use compulsion if true belief is the objective (and in fact impossible: you can compel obedience but you cannot compel belief).

2- you said " I suspect that 'God' is just a psychological artifice"and you also said "To me, the US Constitution was at least a partially successful attempt to use reason to improve the human condition, written by rational people I can relate to, whereas" you well make your live in this stage

All things that we 'know' are theories. Some theories are better than others at explaining reality, but as we cannot directly perceive the totality of reality directly due to the limitations of our senses, we can only theorise about the true nature of reality. Thus to be dogmatic and refuse the possibility that a better theory can come along is very irrational indeed. In fact one of my biggest objections to Islam is the attitude to apostasy.

That is why you are welcome to try and present a better theory about the nature of reality (for example one that assumes the existence of God as something more than a psychological construct), but my current best theory does indeed suggest 'god' as a man-made psychological tool. Am I certain? No, but that is what my analysis leads me to think is the best explanation.

3- for me I do not have any problem for what you said" I can not see much reason being used by people who trot out religious texts as if those are self-evident." 4- I do not want to change your mind ,I want to explain what I think.

Fair enough.

5- I am very sori about my language.

You are doing just fine.

Okay - reality check.

I'm a Muslim, and I thought the cartoons were pretty funny. I did! I don't think there's anything wrong with a few funny cartoons. We're not supposed to worship idols, but I don't see these cartoons as idol-worship. I'm not going to pin them up on my wall and pray to them...

Shocked?

I hate how Muslims and Persian regimes are equated by Westerners. They are not the same - there is a huge distinction and I don't like being stereotyped as a raging mullah who wants to declare jihad every time someone pisses me off.

I'd like to tell you that I am a free-thinking, open-minded Muslim. I love all people of the world, I don't want to kill anybody, and I like to enjoy a good laugh every now and again. I am not a rabid fundamentalist. I am not a terrorist. I am not a barbarian. I do not, for that matter, live in a cave. (I have a nice home of my own, thank you very much...)

I do not agree with the way so-called Islamic states are run. They oppress their people, subjugate their women, and persecute foreigners. This is not the way of Islam. Islam is about peace, is about tolerance, is about understanding. (You may not know that.) It's sad to me that the leaders of those countries have subverted Islam to make it seem xenophobic and dangerous and evil to rational outside observers. Those people are not proper Muslims - not in my eyes. Not as I was taught.

It's sad to me that some misguided Muslims will issue death-threats to people because of this. It's sad to me that Muslims are burning the Danish flag in Gaza. These people are just poorly educated. They are brainwashed to think in a certain way - and that way is not the same as Islam. They just don't know any better.

Please don't lump all of us Muslims in together with these morons. Hitler was a Christian - but I would never have the cheek to say that all Christians are bad because of a few bad seeds. It's the same with me - I have nothing but respect and love for all people of of the world - Muslim or not. That's what I was taught, and it's what I try to tell fellow Muslims.

Please remember us Muslims who are trying to enlighten our people when you pass judgement upon our religion. We are fighting the good fight. We are trying to educate people whose only education is from fear-mongering mullahs who say that non-Muslims are bad and must be wiped out. They have no other education because it is kept from them, so it is all they will ever know.

It is an uphill struggle. These beliefs are held rigidly and are not be easy to break. But it is happening. Slowly.

With greater education will come greater tolerance.

Just remember tht some of us Muslims do love you and care about you - whoever you are, wherever you come from, and whatever you may believe.

Best wishes, great site
Saleem

Well, i've read all the comments written and i think some people do understand what Islam is and some people do NOT. If you think islam is a terrorist religion, its not, but what media show is less than tenth of one tenth of reality. Muslims are respected people, who fears no one but god. I do think disrespecting their religion and prophet means we are something important but its the opposite, we look like losers and TERRORIST.. yes terrorists! We should have respected all religions. Iam sure if Muslims disrespected Christianity or Jesus we wont say its FREEDOM! Think about it carefully and put yourself in their places and let me know what your decision or comment will be! "Think wise once in your life for god sake and dont be fool" .

Being a Dane, born with the freedom of press and the freedom of speech in a democratic society, I find the reactions in the Middle East disturbing. I do not want any of my values and not even the slightest piece of freedom touched - especially not from outsiders.

Having followed the reactions in the Middle East, I must admit that their reactions seem rather typical and narrow-minded. Forgetting that the Christian cross is in the centre of the Danish flag, they burn off not just Dannebro (the Danish flag), but the main symbol and essence of my religion; the cross! And this is supposed to be a reaction based on religious insensitivity. How can they be more insensitive than burning off, what is essentially millions of peoples symbol of the suffering of Christ?

Furthermore, I am offended by their reactions on an internal Danish discussion, why don't they focus on their own INTERNAL topics - they could start with caring internally about the most basic and fundamentally agreed on: the human rights. How many of the states in the middle east can even get close to the human rights standards we have in Denmark?
They may stress that this is a religious matter. I am against religious insensitivity, but my freedom of beliefs and the values of my society, where all kind of religious topics are discussed, and where satire and caricature is an everyday part of my society, means a lot to me. I for one am not willing to give up my fundamental rights - because of some few not to good and not too bad drawings of a guy called Muhammad.

They can stop buying the Danish products including cheese and butter, but they can't impose their outdated and narrow minded dictations. The Danish economy is still one of the best economies in the EU, and a boycott of Danish produce in the Middle east is not going to impact more than a few companies, who should be looking for other and alternative markets. I am confident, that all this will lead to is a worse tone in the internal Danish discussions of beliefs and integration, as well as an even further growth potential for the extreme Danish national party. Is this what the muslems really want?

Unfortunately the small group of people that make the headlines leave an image of the Muslems as a group who's reacting with threat, they just outline low and backward societies. Is this the picture we in the Western countries are supposed to be left with? If not, then I urge other and more constructive Moslems to take up this debate and engage in a constructive discussion.

"Well, i've read all the comments written and i think some people do understand what Islam is and some people do NOT."

I don't care what Islam is, I'm not interested one way or the other.
I do know what freedom of the press is, something many people (including you?) do not.

"We should have respected all religions."

Why?
I feel no need to respect any religion. I respect individual people (or not, it depends on their behavior). I like and respect many (maybe most) of the Muslim people I've known but I don't care about their religion one way or another.

"Iam sure if Muslims disrespected Christianity or Jesus we wont say its FREEDOM!"

You're wrong. Muslims like everyone else are perfectly free to disrespect Christianity and Jesus. The overwhelming majority of (western) Christians don't even care much. Even most those that would be most upset personally would not be in favor of censorship.

"Think about it carefully and put yourself in their places and let me know what your decision or comment will be! "Think wise once in your life for god sake and dont be fool" ."

It's a question of priorities. If person is a Dane first and Muslim second then they're not in favor of censorship, even if they find the cartoons offensive. Part of the price of the kind of freedom and prosperity that Danes enjoy is the fact that other people can make fun of them and their religion and they can't do anything about it (nor do they want to).
If someone is a Muslim first and a Dane second (or not at all) then Danish people should not care what they believe. I would go further and say they have no business staying in Denmark or at the very least they should not care what Danish newspapers print.

Hollo.
Allah is great.u r not insulting muslims but insulting Allah and his messenger dare the day of ressurection onthat day no one can help u ALLAH TELLS HEIS ALONE NO ONE IS EQUAL TO HIM
OBEY HIM AND HHIS MESSENGER.
ALLAH IS GREAT

soon.. denmark will loose its economy.. denmark people will pay much for this .. they will be an example for all the world .. and they will finally beg muslims for mercy ..

heloo every body..Im muslim and surrounded by muslims..i never felt that me or the people arround me thinking the way some pple wrote here about killing other not muslims or about hate.. we all like the freedome of speach but if the freedom of speach you are talking about is no limits and can say any thing tell me please if any one in denmark or anything else denied the holocost.. is going to be a freedom of speach? im sure all europe well get crazy... this is just a sample..if you think in europe you can say it..then we can call it a freedom of speach

اقسم بالله ان سياتى اليوم الذى تندمون فيه على ما صدر منكم فى حق نبينا و سيد الخلق محمد (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

The dictatorships stand up controlling the information. they want to control information everywhere, irrespective of peoples and thier sovereignty. In these countries, the islamic-religious rule has the political control and everything that fades and blunts the religious dogma, will weaken the govern. It's what we are speaking about. We are not speaking about Muhammed, but oil and money and power.

why can't we see some cartoons about Jesus or virgin Mary or the Jews. WHY NO ONE FROM THIS SO CALLED FREE WORLD WON'T EVEN DARE TO CHALLANGE OR EVEN ASK ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY OF THE HOLOCAUST. IT SEEMS THAT YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS BIAS AND SELECTIVE JUST TO SHOW YOUR HATRED TO MUSLIMS WHEN CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOW.

In America or the UK, you can make yourself look like a complete moron and claim the holocaust never happed and no one will come and arrest you.

As if you want so see images mocking Jesus and anti-Christian, take a look at some of the links in this article, and it did NOT cause hordes of outraged Christians to call for any one to be 'punished'.

Here are the Cartoons. HE HE :-)

http://www.quickrob.com/political/muhammed_cartoons.html

I wondered what inspired the cartoonist to draw the imaginative picture of our beloved Prophet Muhammad. The Danish people forgot that it would hamper the relationship between the muslim world. The following comments tell me that as you are not even a purified Christian because I got many christian friends. They never disrespected Islam because they know the meanign of Islam. However the following comments expresses that commenters are not even a good christian. Freedom of speech gives you to become free and free to help mankind with your speech not to discriminate.

In my country there are thousands of Danish citizen living here. Even they were surpised and they feel shame not fear to express themselves as Danish. People here are abandoning the Danish product so Danish market in my country will soon fall including each and every country around the world. Especially the Arab countries.

Surely my Danish brother will understand. As a muslim I've always respected other religion. As a citizen of a muslim country we also have the freedom of speech and I will say proudly that we do not discriminate other religion since Jesus,Naoh,Abraham,Moses are also our prophet.

I wondered what inspired the cartoonist to draw the imaginative picture of our beloved Prophet Muhammad. The Danish people forgot that it would hamper the relationship between the muslim world.

You ask what inspired the cartoonist(s) to draw those images, but several of them stated why quite clearly: to show that free speech is important and trumps religious attempts to suppress it, so that answers that question...

...you then state "The Danish people forgot..." as if the cartoonists (several individuals) and The Danish People were one and the same thing. It suggests you are utterly collectivist in your outlook and cannot see that "The Danish People" cannot do anything because a "people" not a moral or even political actor, it is just a geographic/ethno-cultural category. It is interesting how so many Muslim activists (rightly) get upset when some Islamist terrorist blow up a bus full of civilians somewhere and articles appear in the Western press saying "look what The Muslims have done!" as if every Muslim in the world set off that bomb. Yet you are making exactly the same sort of category error by equating some individual artists with "The Danish People".

And therein lies the core of this... freedom of speech is something that individuals in a free society have. Moreover, what makes you think most of the commenters here are Christians? I think all religion is irrational nonsense, not just Islam. I have no obligation whatsoever to 'respect' your religion any more than you have an obligation to respect my lack of religion. All I want from you (demand in fact) if that you tolerate me expressing my views, because if you will not, why should I tolerate you expressing yours?

A few years ago Maplethorpe's "Piss Christ" and, more recently, some other jerks Mary portrait covered in asses and vaginas, were on display in taxpayer funded Museums and promoted at taxpayer expense. Please note that the uproar that occured wasn't because somebody wanted to promote art that hurt other peoples feelings, it was specifically because the very people whose feelings were being hurt were the ones being forced (tax dollars) to fund this crap.

And, for the record, Hitler never chose nor claimed to be a Christian. Being born in a country whose majority is a particular religion doesn't count toward that kind of thing.

I think it is unfortunate if someone wants to go out of their way to insult people, especially those they've never met. The videos of Muslims from Morocco to Malaysia celebrating on 9/11 as the towers came down were painful to watch. More recently, their accepting the hundreds of millions of dollars given by ordinary Americans (not counting government aid) to tsunami victims and the Pakistani earthquake victims, the overwhelming majority of which were Muslim, one day and then marching in vast parades burning our flag and our leaders in effigy the next was less than endearing as well. Why do you get to burn our leaders in effigy but we can't even draw yours?

Do you want offensive? I am carefully reading through the Koran (albeit in English) and am blown away by the horribly offensive things written there. Remember, the Koran was written well over half a millennia after the New Testament (love your neighbor ... love your enemy ... do good to those who hurt you, etc.) and what is their improvement? "... believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed ... slay them wherever you find them ... fighting is obligatory for you ... do not make friends with anyone other than your own people" that's just in the first few pages.

I don't want to get into a "who has the best imaginary friend" argument or anything. My only point is that your whole religion is monstrously offensive and if you feel the need to dish-it-out, at least be man enough to deal with the trite offense of a cartoon.

Here's a better/ larger view of these cartoons:

http://democracyfrontline.org/blog/?p=133

Exactly what David said. We send you money, yet you laugh at our tragedy? I work at a broadcast center and it made me sick to watch you Muslims dance while many people died.

You are dogs.

Verity, thanks for your incisive comments.

What exactly is a "terrorist religion"? A religion that terrorists subscribe to? Most subscribe to Islam. OK, check. Is it a religion that advocates voilence against non-believers? Yes, Islam does that. Check.

Want to know more about Islam. Check out Rational Thought.

Finally, some claim that freedom of speech and expression does not extend to criticising religions and hurting religious peoples' sentiments. But then shouldn't religious freedom also be similarly circumscribed? Why is it that Islam can have the "religious freedom" to heap invective and vile epithets on idol-worshippers like me -- a peaceful person myself -- and vow to kill me (merely because I don't bow to their Allah) without any provocation? How about calling the Koran (Quran) for the piece of terrorist manual it is and prohibiting its publication?

The moment Denmark capitulates and apologizes officially, I will know that Europe can be written off: it has lost to the terrorist dogma called Islam.

Moronic comment deleted by admin. Get a life.

"May peace and mercy be upon you all". if you werent aware what this phrase is, i shall tell you. It's the greeting of the Islam, the highest relegion being converted to these days.
You speak of Islam my friends in a very narrowly limited sterotyped point of view. You speak what your newsagencies say without even looking back to history and trying to figure out actually who is this prophet you are simply insulting and who have changed this world at a time where caous and savage behavior was found.
please refer to history books for authentic authors and then have the decency to write with objectivity about the the best person who shall ever come to earth.
you speak of the man who came with the message of Allah, the one God, at a time where ignorance was all spread, and people were worshiping stones made by themselves. He was sent as a mercy to mankind.
The world my friends, is changed and divided to a world before Mohammad (prayers and peace be upon him) came and world after him.
Without him, girls wouldnt have had the rights they have today. Let me remind you, at the pre-Mohammad era, Females were treated like goods. They had no right of ownership, no right of life, no right of anything that matters. Look at europe and how was it? Look at the most powerful nations at that time, one which is Rome. Look at the devilish acts they were. It is said that at that time the highest difference in social class was reached. People were either sooooooo poor and barely able to survive and others were sooooo rich they were so greedy and selfish and ignorant.
He came with a message, and alone with one child who believed in his message called, Ali, and his wife, was able to change the world as it was known.

Please read about this prophet from authentic sources and then i would doubt you would not admire the man he was and the ideals he lived by.

It's a shame that what we call now a freedom of speech is becoming the freedom of insulting others and disrespecting their believes, their ideals, messengers and holy behaviors.

It's a shame that we now speak of ignorance, and judge upon what we hear, rather upon digging in the history and finding out the truth.

Mohammad(pbuh) was a man of nobility, and was known for it even among his enemies.

I am afraid, those who claim justice today don't know the first thing of how justice is achieved. Perhaps they have heard the saying, "One is innocent until proven guilty."

So please, before bothering to write few words that mark your important opinon and your whole existence for all we are is what we believe, read history, read the life of Mohammad(pbuh) and then before deciding he is guilty of what he is charged in this horrific silly sterotyped animations, give him the benefit of the doubt.

Re-ask yourself, who is he? And know that the actions of some people who claim they are Islamic, doesnt say that they are Muslims or that Islam agrees with what they do. Just like the actions of Christians to Jews in the past doesnt reflect the Christian teachings. Just like the actions of some Jews in Israel dont reflect the Jewish relegion.

Be objective, and read. with reading you shall learn many new things and the blindess that you walk with now shall be taken away.

We disagree with these cartoons because they lack all the truth and because it is not right to draw a prophet.

I only would imagine your reaction when someone insults you, so how about when some one insults your parents or someone you love?

How about when some one insults a man who sacrificed all his life just for what he believed in and just for you and I can have this holy book and communicate to Allah with prayers and other holy behaviors?

Have you developed the interest now to know about him and clear your ignorance for once and for all?

please refer to this website, and learn about the prophet and then perhaps you are allowed to speak about him.

http://www.pbuh.us/prophetMuhammad.php?f=Biography

Learn about how the world was before him and how it became after him.

And do you know that Islamic scholars were the first to develop sciences and were the first to bring in their translations to different languages and all sciences like medicine, mathematics, philosophy etc... started with islamic scholars and with the help of Muslims, it was transferred to Europe and other nations?

Unfortunately, there is so much you dont know. But it is important as Aristotle said, we must admit and know that we dont know.

But most Important is that we do something about it!!!!

So look for knowledge and pursue education.

With all respect to all of you

"We disagree with these cartoons because they lack all the truth and because it is not right to draw a prophet."

It's not right for someone who says they are Muslim to draw a prophet because that's a rule of Islam.

That rule simply does not apply to non-Muslims.

In a western civil society they are free to draw Muhammed and Allah all day long if they want. Islamic law does not apply to non-Muslims. Is this hard for you to understand?

You are free to not like the cartoons or the people who drew them or published them. You are not free to force them to apologize or prevent them from doing something similar in the future.

Are Muslims really so weak in their faith that they care what non-Muslims in an overwhelmingly non-Muslim society think of them or their religion?

"I only would imagine your reaction when someone insults you, so how about when some one insults your parents or someone you love?"

So? I might not like it, but in a free society, others are free to do so. If I don't respect the person or their opinion it won't bother me if someone insults a loved one.

Sara: does it occur to you that maybe some of us understand Islam just fine and that understanding, not reports in the media, is why we reject it? Some of us have indeed pursued knowlage and education and it led us to very different conclusions.

Read my comment here to understand why.

In answer to the last 2 comments, if freedom of speech allows others or gives them the right to insult other people, then its only humane to fight it.

No, the fact that muslims are not allowed to draw Prophet mohammad or Allah is not only bound to Muslims, it is also bound to non-muslims as well. why, you may ask? Because, if i promote for instance some bad rumor about a company, this will cost it millions and millions and i can be sued for that right? why? because the law protect the company and because that rumor hurted their business and might have left them bankrupt.

thus, when someone is doing this bad animations about prophet Mohammad, he would be insulting Islam and all Muslims, and would be promoting a bad image on Muslims and on Islamic relegion.

Now if you accept that, i cant tell you i can or anyone else can. As much as a rumor can cause damage to a business, this animation can cause damage to my relegion, a relegion which i love and admire, and a relegion that even in its greetings wishes peace for all mankind. Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) as God says in the holy Quran was sent as a mercy to mankind, not only to muslims.

One might accept someone saying about someone else who has stole, that he/she is a thief, because it's what actually happened. However, one can not accept someone saying about someone who is not a rapist for example, a rapist.

I dont think Jews or Chrisitians would allow such acts or accept them.

When we see the right thing to do, no matter how much we are fought not to do it, we will.

Please check the link i placed before on the life of prophet Mohammad and then tell me, u can't admire him.

Freedom of speech doesnt entitle people to hurt each other. I recall here a saying, "there is a tiny thread between being honest and being rude."

Lets be respectful to each other's relegions and each other's holy practices. That is what prophet Mohammad tought us.

And if those drawings werent only on prophet mohammad, but were on other prophets as well we would have refused them as well.

we respect all relegions and all we ask is to be respected in return. but if we are fought, we will fight to death for what we believe in and we will not accept the wrong thing no matter what.

In Islam, we believe in Jesus, Moses, Noah, Mohamad(pbuh) and all other noble prophets. And we will not bear disrespect to anyone of them.

With all respect,

thus, when someone is doing this bad animations about prophet Mohammad, he would be insulting Islam and all Muslims, and would be promoting a bad image on Muslims and on Islamic relegion.

But if I happen to think that Islam is a bad thing, are you saying I am not permitted to say that? I am a Godless agnostic, should I be allowed to prevent you saying that being Godless is a bad thing becasue that might present agnostics in a bad way? Explain your view on that.

I dont think Jews or Chrisitians would allow such acts or accept them.

Will all 'respect' (oh that word), clearly you need to get out more and mix in wider circles. I could link to literally thousands of athiest websites that are openly anti-religious, and that includes the Jewish and Christian religions. Ridiculing the irrationality of religion (not just Islam) happens all the time, so you are just factually incorrect. Jews and Christians may not like it and they may argue against the point of view but I have yet to mean one who want to ban such anti-religious points of view. Yet it there seem to be countless muslims who want to do just that.

When we see the right thing to do, no matter how much we are fought not to do it, we will.

But the difference is, I am fighting for both of our views to be tolerated, you are fighting to suppress my view. I just want to not be threatened so there is no equivilence between us. That is what makes you little more than a Islamo-fascist. I will tolerate your absurd religion and let you say what you like about my views yet you will not do the same for me.

Please check the link i placed before on the life of prophet Mohammad and then tell me, u can't admire him.

I don't admire him.

Freedom of speech doesnt entitle people to hurt each other. I recall here a saying, "there is a tiny thread between being honest and being rude."

But that is EXACTLY what freedom of speech is. Freedom of speech does not mean "the right to say things people will agree with", it is the right to say thing people will not like and not agree with, without fear of being subject to threats of force. You have a right not to be threatened by me, you have no right not to be insulted by me.

Lets be respectful to each other's relegions and each other's holy practices. That is what prophet Mohammad tought us.

Sorry but no. I do not have any religion for you to be respectful of and in any case I do not need your 'respect', only your tolerance. You are free to think and say that I am a complete ass and to ridicule the fact I do not believe in God, just as long as you do not threaten me for saying the similar things about you and what you believe in. That is what tolerance means.

"The religion of Islam respects freedoms far more than any laws and other religions. Prophet Mohammed , peace be upon him (PBUH), has taught us respect of others' freedoms and rights, principles of sound negotiation, exchange of views, and using the right evidence and proof. One of the essential basics of freedom is respecting human rights. Therefore, it comes as totally strange that the Government of Denmark, while claiming respect for human rights and freedoms, does permit the publication of such lies and distortions about Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).

How could respect for human rights allow aggression by one person against another, their parents and relatives by means of swearing and insult? Even greater would be attacking and insulting someone's prophet and religious beliefs. Islam totally rejects attacking the Prophets. Muslims deeply genuinely keep away from any sort of insult or attack mounted against the Prophets of all heavenly religions whom they believe in and revere. However, it is very humiliating to see such claims falsely made around the character of the most honorable of human beings; the one that was sent as a mercy to the world and final messenger to humanity: Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him). Blocking ears and closing eyes to such claims and insult to the Prophet of Islam is the gravest aggression against human rights. Moreover, it is a catalyst to sectarian conflicts and hatred among peoples of the world; besides sowing seeds of terrorism. If the Denmark government rejects these things, it should prohibit and fight such acts of insult and aggression against the Prophet of Islam rather than consider them part of the freedom of expression. Freedom never means breaching the rights of others. Planting hatred and enmity with Islam and Muslims is far from sound thinking and behaving on the part of any government that claims to uphold justice."
Amro Mumtaz

Therefore, it comes as totally strange that the Government of Denmark, while claiming respect for human rights and freedoms, does permit the publication of such lies and distortions about Prophet Mohammed

Why? What Muslim freedoms and human right matter are being broken? YOU say something is a 'lie and a distortion'... I say 'ALL religion is a lie and a distortion'. Does that mean I should be calling for YOU to be banned from expressing your views?

Even greater would be attacking and insulting someone's prophet and religious beliefs. Islam totally rejects attacking the Prophets.

In which case a practicing Muslim should not do that. But neither I nor the Danish journalists are Muslims and I for one resent your attempts to impose (i.e. get the state to use force) your restrictions on me. Do you think I am trying to stop you ridiculing my agnostic beliefs? Go right ahead!

Muslims deeply genuinely keep away from any sort of insult or attack mounted against the Prophets of all heavenly religions whom they believe in and revere.

So what? I do not give a damn if you ridicule everything I revere and believe it (and in fact you have been doing exactly that). Do you hear me calling for the state to use force stop you expressing your views?

Saying 'good things' about Islam is what you do...you are a muslim. Saying 'bad things' about all religions is what I do... I am an agnostic and my 'religion' if you like is secularism. I look forward to you explaining your reasoning why you should be accorded special privilages to express yourself that you would deny to me and a certain Danish newspaper.

Mr. Perry,

I admire the way you analyze things and interpret and follow up on each word i write :). it reveals your openess to read and try to understand others, doesnt mean however that you should agree with me or that i am asking you too.

With your words, you accuse me of something i didnt do. You accuse me of actually hating you, not tolerating you, not accepting you as who you chose to be, an athiest when actually i have not once even offended you as an athiest or brought up to you accusations. Why then you feel you need to defend yourself to me. Reread your words.

"But the difference is, I am fighting for both of our views to be tolerated, you are fighting to suppress my view. I just want to not be threatened so there is no equivilence between us. That is what makes you littl