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July 10, 2004
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Who watches the watchdogs?
Perry de Havilland (London)  UK affairs

I wonder what that would be in Latin?

Eamonn Butler on the Adam Smith Institute blog makes some interesting points about so-called consumer watchdog groups set up by the state. On one hand the state privatises because markets work better... and on the other it actually refuses to let markets do what only markets can do.

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WatchWatch?


Posted by Frank McGahon at July 10, 2004 11:48 PM

Qui canis praesidiarias vigilat?

At least, that's one way you could say it.

You might say it: Qui cerebras vigilat? But, since Cerebrus is a proper name, I am not sure the plural accusative is a good idea (but it was a watchdog).


Posted by John Jenkins at July 10, 2004 11:55 PM

I think "Cave Canem" fits the bill.


Posted by Antoine Clarke at July 11, 2004 01:26 AM

The classical reference I think would be:
Quis custodet istos custodes?
I don't know where it comes from exactly, though. It has to be some Roman law thing.


Posted by Chris at July 11, 2004 11:47 AM

I know the classical reference Chris (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes: usually rendered as "who watches the watchmen"). That is why I wondered what my varient phrase would be!


Posted by Perry de Havilland at July 11, 2004 12:46 PM

It is times like this that I rue the fact I never went to a good school.


Posted by Scott Wickstein at July 11, 2004 02:51 PM

Chris, it's from Juvenal's sixth satire, an excoriation of female perfidy. Friends tell the narrator of the satire he can keep his wife chaste by locking her up at home with the servants, but he replies "But who will watch the watchers? She'll just begin with them and buy their silence with her services."


Posted by Tim Haas at July 11, 2004 05:42 PM

I was going to bet Martial, but Juvenal makes sense. I haven't read much of his, however.

Scott, you can always educate yourself. I'd be lost without Wheelock's still today. Alas I didn't really begin to learn Latin until my senior year of undergrad and I still stuble through it :-). It's a lot of fun, though. Especially in law school when you know what certain things mean without spending the extra time to go look them up. (Except in property where all the stupid terms are French).


Posted by John Jenkins at July 11, 2004 07:52 PM

Actually, Scott, if you have any interest in learning Latin, there's a free self-study list called Latin Study that runs multiple Wheelock (beginner) and more advanced translation groups. I myself will be coordinating the next beginner group starting this fall. Feel free to e-mail privately if you'd like details.


Posted by Tim Haas at July 12, 2004 11:39 PM

It appears that we are off on a tangent here, but that's at least half the fun. But thanks to Tim for pointing me to where I'd never have looked for it in the first place!

Back to the watchdogs, though. How about this? There is a bit of evidence that the public can play a more active supervisory role in the age of weblogs:

Newspaper article


Posted by Chris at July 15, 2004 12:53 PM
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