The jewel in the crown of Samizdata.net
A blog for people with a critically rational individualist perspective. We are developing the social individualist meta-context for the future. From the very serious to the extremely frivolous... lets see what is on the mind of the Samizdata people.

Samizdata, derived from Samizdat /n. a system of clandestine publication of banned literature in the USSR
[Russ.,= self-publishing house]
There is much to find for those who look
We are not alone
Made possible by...
 
September 11, 2005
Sunday
 
 
Getting things in proportion II
Guy Herbert (London)  UK affairs

I am not the only one calling for a sense of proportion. The Security Minister for Northern Ireland, Sean Woodward, told Radio 4's Broadcasting House this morning that despite these disorders most people in Northern Ireland were able to go about their normal lives without disturbance yesterday, and we should not get these things out of proportion.

While I am inclined to agree this is not Armageddon, I would suggest that the Government's sense of proportion is a touch selective. Had riots with firearms, incendiaries, and home-made grenades broken out in Blackburn at some march by a Moslem sect, would we expect such a calming response? Not on your nelly.

We might have woken up to martial law imposed on Lancashire and Yorkshire. At the very least Charles Clarke would be appearing on all channels advocating internment, massively increased police powers and speeding-up the Home Office's beloved ID card scheme. There would certainly be nothing else on the news.

Is it that 40 miles of water makes the difference? Is it colour or nominal religion? Or does the security establishment (despite being in a scrap with them on this occasion), still think of Unionist extremists as being somehow on 'our' side.

Comments

Guy, the permalink to this post is broken.


Posted by Alisa at September 11, 2005 09:52 AM

How about: they've already achieved a police state over there. Calling for one would be redundant - and, worse, might draw English, Welsh and Scots attention to just how ineffectual a police state is.


Posted by Julian Morrison at September 11, 2005 10:02 AM

seems to work for me, Alisa.


Posted by guy herbert at September 11, 2005 10:16 AM

The government doesn't want bad news from Northernm Ireland getting over here. Makes the peace process look bad.


Posted by Gary Monro at September 11, 2005 11:52 AM

Where Tony Blair beats Bush, Cheney, Sharon & Co. is in his capacity to roll-in iron-willed “security reforms” reminiscent of the Halcyon days of comrade Joe Stalin: widespread wiretaps, mandatory ID cards, arbitrary detention, the use and abuse of MI5 and Scotland Yard to combat ghostly “urban Mohammedan insurgents”... etc. it’s all coming soon to a New Labour theater near you.


Posted by John Thomas at September 11, 2005 12:01 PM

Yes, it's fine now - thanks:-)


Posted by Alisa at September 11, 2005 02:10 PM

It's that the government considers Northern Ireland "Foreign Affairs".


Posted by Mary Contrary at September 11, 2005 02:31 PM

Could the word "condemn" be removed from political discourse and reporting? It could be replaced with ". . . say they will do nothing about it."

Apparently police and rioters "exchanged fire". What on earth does that mean? One can suppose that the rioters involved were poor shots, but the police? What were they aiming at?

There were no reports of any arrests. Were there any?


Posted by Findlay Dunachie at September 11, 2005 07:06 PM

I'm only sorry that that sad piece of shit Woodward has managed to get his sorry ass into the government. Another bad piece of news for the people of Northern Ireland. Yet another English dud sent over to lord it over them like a white bwana.


Posted by John K at September 12, 2005 01:07 AM

Findlay,

Shooting at people is quite easy; hitting them in an open firefight is quite difficult. (Even where the shooter manages to overcome the revulsion against killing that armies struggle to expunge.) If your target is within a few feet, being held down at the time, and you are not yourself under fire, you can still miss some of the time.


Posted by guy herbert at September 12, 2005 06:04 AM

I think Gary Munro was closest to the mark here. The government (and BBC, etc) have studiously ignored the continuing violence by Republicans - just because it doesn't involve bombs or firearms (usually) - for the sake of bodging together a picture of success for the peace process.

So for them to play down the latest problems is no surprise, even though I thought there was still more coverage and noise than would have emanated were the incidents not triggered by "Unionists".


Posted by Otis at September 12, 2005 02:34 PM

If a riot involving firearms, grenades etc had broken out at a Moslem march, we would see a very calming response by Bliar on the BBC, bottom lip a-quiver, as he prattled on about the need to understand the peace-loving followers of the medieval death cult.
This would be simultaneous with dawn round-ups of suspected BNP supporters and a whole new bill to 'combat Islamophobia' being rammed through using the Parliament Act


Posted by Stuart at September 13, 2005 09:24 PM

I've just come back from holiday to see that nothing ever changes in my part of the world. They get angry at not being allowed to walk down a section of road ,where they would normally get lynched anyway, and then they burn out their local shops and sit wondering where thay are going to get a chinese takeaway now. Peace process my ass. They have ceased attacks on the military and most of the random cross community murder. Kill your own and turn to rascism against all immigrants. Police state, yep there have been laws in place prohibiting the grouping of more than two individuals in public since I was a kid. That's pretty draconian if never enforced very often.
Sh1tting on their own doorstep, clever or what?


Posted by gravid at September 15, 2005 11:06 AM
Post a comment









Remember personal info?


Enter anti-spambot Turing code:





Select some text and click this to format it as a quote Make the selected text bold Make the selected text italic Add a web link


Basic html active.

Alas, but for obscure reasons Mozilla, Mac and Linux users shall not harness to power of the push-button formatting options and shall therefore compose basic html with their bare hands. Yet Mozilla, Mac and Linux users shall not fear, for we shall reveal forthwith the mysteries of Basic Html:

<strong>This text in-between is bold</strong>

<em>This text is in italics</em>

And
<blockquote>This is a quote</blockquote>
Remember to close your opened tags as such: <tag> tagged text and closing </tag> and we promise you will get out of here alive.

For adding links, either use the link URL button on the toolbar or enter your code by hand in the following format:
<a href="http://www.your_link.com">your link text or description here</a>

Movable Type's anti-spambot e-mail address protection is enabled.

You are a guest on private property. Have fun but please be civil and succinct. Blogroaches will be persecuted, not to mention IP banned.

Long third party quotes or articles will also be deleted... so just link to articles you think are germane to your comment, don't quote the whole bloody thing.