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August 03, 2004
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David Carr (London)  Blogging & Bloggers

The BBC is running a competition:

BBC News Online wants your nominations for the best political websites and blogs, preferably with a UK focus. We are looking for lively, thought-provoking sites that stimulate genuine debate, rather than just pushing a particular narrow viewpoint or agenda, but all suggestions are welcome.

I know of a political blog that is lively, thought-provoking and stimulates genuine debate. In fact, it must surely be a shoe-in for the title of 'Best Political Blog'.

I would tell you the name but...modesty forbids.

Comments

Done my duty :)


Posted by James at August 3, 2004 01:05 AM

All done, but why you so desperately seek their approval beats me....


Posted by ernest young at August 3, 2004 01:48 AM

Done. I told them that you're the political blog with the best dissident parties in town. You KNOW that's all the BBC really cares about - which party you're endorsing.


Posted by Monica at August 3, 2004 01:53 AM

". We are looking for lively, thought-provoking sites that stimulate genuine debate, rather than just pushing a particular narrow viewpoint or agenda,"

Hmmm. Is it just me or does this bit sound like they are going to dismiss any site with a right/libertarian focus? I mean, its the BBC.....

Anyway gave ya a vote regardless.


Posted by Shawn at August 3, 2004 01:56 AM

They'll include this blog when hell freezes over -- too subversive to The Tone. "OpenDemocracy" is much more their speed.


Posted by Susan at August 3, 2004 03:00 AM

Harry also posted this link. I thought I might vote, but I distinctly dislike something that becomes too popular or, gains the approval of the BBC. If you're interested in this sort of thing, you'll find it yourself; I fear that it could jeopardise the whole blog way of life.


Posted by Lee at August 3, 2004 04:14 AM

"We are looking for lively, thought-provoking sites that stimulate genuine debate, rather than just pushing a particular narrow viewpoint or agenda..."

S'funny, I'm looking for a broadcaster with similar attributes.


Posted by JohnJo at August 3, 2004 07:32 AM

Please. Not the BBC. David, why? It is so much better NOT to be mentioned by the BBC and the Guardian.


Posted by Adriana Cronin at August 3, 2004 09:11 AM

And Monica, I am not sure we want BBC people at our parties.


Posted by Michael Jennings at August 3, 2004 09:50 AM

Been there and nominated this fine blog already. What you bet whatever wins we will have never heard of before?


Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge at August 3, 2004 10:47 AM

I've done my bit, but I've got a feeling the Chomsky blog will vanquish all others.


Posted by Jim at August 3, 2004 10:48 AM

My post to the BBC:

http://www.samizdata.net

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog

http://www.allahpundit.com

http://www.melaniephillips.com/

http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

These sites are probably too anti-idiotarian for you BBC lot! Common sense ain't the Beebs strong point now is it?


Posted by Jwarrior at August 3, 2004 11:37 AM

I've sent my nomination to the BBC. The more they receive the harder it will be to ignore them, although the Beeb are *really* good at ignoring.

I don't think this is about seeking Their approval. If this site does get a mention, it helps it to be discovered by a lot of people who are generally dissatisfied with mainstream political views but who otherwise wouldn't find it. Sometimes all people need is a nudge in the right direction.


Posted by Rob Fisher at August 3, 2004 12:57 PM

BBC approval, however churlishly accorded, would be depressing. It would be like being complimented on one's fashion sense by Bette Middler.

The BBC should learn how to be a neutral broadcaster which doesn't involve itself in Soviet style editorials crudely disguised as News broadcasts before they get into the business of evaluating blogs.

I am not voting.

JohnJo, Yes! Very good!


Posted by Verity at August 3, 2004 02:27 PM

Well, I voted for this blog. Now how about asking the readers of this blog to nominate a broadcaster that isn't too biased?


Posted by zmollusc at August 3, 2004 03:36 PM

Not sure how they're going to present their results, but i've put in my word for what it's worth. Hope Samizdata gets a mention; to all you 'oh, we're too ideologically pure to appear on the beeb' types... I'm with Rob; you may provoke thought in people who otherwise would never have come across the stuff covered here. If you'd rather preach to the converted, that's fine, but then you might as well give up moaning about the state of the world, since you're clearly not actively interested in changing it.


Posted by A_t at August 3, 2004 03:39 PM

Now I know what the A_t is - you left out the 'n', as in Ant.

Then it all makes sense; they wrote a song about an 'Ant and a Rubber tree plant'. All about trying to achieve the impossible, but you just have to keep on trying! A Frank Sinatra song I think...

As for, 'we're too ideologically pure to appear on the beeb' types', I don't think there are many here who think that way, they may think a little differently, but 'idealogically pure'. no way.

As for trying to convert folk, what do you take us for - Apostles ? I thought that you had abandoned any sort of religion on account of the prozletizing, and here you go suggesting we do just that.

To be recommended by the Beeb would, at worst, be akin to receiving the Vampire's Curse, or at best, cheap flattery from a discredited organisation, and we may have to read more nonsense from the likes of Lord Lummy and Syon Park, and all of the preaching will not make any difference, or change a single mind. :-)

However, nice to know that you have faith in the redemption of the masses, and there you were saying, nay bragging, about being a cynic, (sceptic)....:-)

Really you are just a soft hearted optimist....


Posted by ernest young at August 3, 2004 05:11 PM

I think I agree with Rob as well. It's unlikely that anyone clicking through from a BBC endorsement will be under the illusion that this blog panders to BBC-eque opinion. Not after actually reading the posts here.

It is possible, however, that you could gain readers from a niche that wasn't targeted previously. All important in that metaconceptthingy drive, right?


Posted by Monica at August 3, 2004 05:35 PM

Monica - What would normal people be doing looking at the BBC's website?


Posted by Verity at August 3, 2004 06:18 PM

Ernest, bring on the vampire's curse, I say! Sadly you may be right about just attracting the wrong kind of (irritating) attention though... we'll see.

& no, I don't take anyone for apostles, but there's some good, compelling thinking going on here. The web has the power to spread ideas. Ideas which spread sufficiently may have an effect on the real world. If the ideas have no effect beyond this blog, there seems little point in even discussing them, particularly ones which relate to dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. As I said above, if you're advocating some kind of closed shop it seems particularly pointless to then complain about the state of the real world & the fact that no-one pays attention to ideas you like when they've never even come across them. I'm not so optimistic as to believe in a sea change as a result of a few blog postings, but if they help spread the ideas, that's a good thing. Cast me as the ant any day! (particularly when the heavy lifting is far less physically strenuous than any rubber tree plant & it's pot)


Posted by A_t at August 3, 2004 06:28 PM

David

I've done my bit
Let's hope for some success
Best
Simon


Posted by Simon Austin at August 3, 2004 08:39 PM

Verity - I stream things like 'Just a Minute' and 'I'm Sorry, I Haven't a Clue', so I do occasionally find myself looking around the BBC website.

I'd guess that it could also be the default online news medium for those who don't know any better.


Posted by Monica at August 3, 2004 10:41 PM

Ha, wouldn't it be great if they actually came to nominate biased bbc on the basis of recommendations. I might vote for it and start a blog campaign (somehow - I don't know quite how yet) to get it listed - like getting some wierd religious practice mentioned in the census.


Posted by Lee at August 4, 2004 03:56 AM
Monica - What would normal people be doing looking at the BBC's website?

So we can laugh at it, of course. Or maybe, doing research for an anti-BBC satirical play?


Posted by Susan at August 4, 2004 06:03 AM

If Samizdata is included I'll be impressed, I don't think it will be tho. I've done my duty as a member of the Commonwealth. Have to stand with common brothers and sisters in arms with this type of thing hmm.

So, if it does show up...I expect the Pacific Ocean to be freezing over at about the same time, and Hawaii to become a bastion for penguin's.


Posted by Mashiki at August 4, 2004 06:52 AM

Simon

"I've done my bit
Let's hope for some success"

Jeez, if the benchmark of 'doing my bit' and 'success' for the habitues of a blog that purports to follow in the noble traditions of a group that once operated in their quest for free speech under the lethal dangers of the regime of Stalin et al., is the joy of coming top in a poll conducted by the Marxist BBC - and parameters set by them - then it's time you looked in the mirror folks for a reality check. What are you for, other than self-aggrandisement?

Sadly
FP


Posted by FP at August 4, 2004 12:14 PM

Well looky here. Samizdata shoots and scores.


Posted by JohnJo at August 4, 2004 12:23 PM

Gratz David... youre on the list and bizarrely enough so is lynne featherstone, the vile opportunistic Dim Lib candidate in North London...


Posted by Bex at August 4, 2004 04:24 PM

I'm shocked. Did we just see someone reasonable at the BBC?


Posted by Mashiki at August 4, 2004 07:06 PM
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