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Samizdata quote of the day “Labour does indeed have a problem with Jews. It can acknowledge that problem’s existence, confront it and deal with it. Or it can shrug, mutter something about UN Security Council resolutions and continue to court the support of those on the far Left who are the source of the problem. Jewish members of the party have scant reason for optimism about which course will be pursued.”
– Tom Harris
As is said about certain behaviours, such as drug addiction, to deal with a situation it is first necessary to acknowledge that you have a problem. The Labour Party has a problem in that a number of its members hate not just Israel, but they hate Jews as well. (Without accurate data, it is difficult to know what the percentages of such bigots there are in the party as a whole.) With Jeremy Corbyn in charge, a man who seems to find it easy to hang out with guttersnipes of various stripes, a solution to this situation is not yet in hand.
I can recommend this bracingly-written book by George Gilder, the Israel Test, by the way.
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I have a Labour problem, the party keeps on getting into power regularly and ruining my country, what should be done about it?
And even when it is not in power, Labour’s opponents ape its more sinister ideas, and its hacks remain in key position in the State apparatus.
As an agnostic pro-Zionist libertarian (quite the mouthful), you’re never going to get the Labour party to fully recognize its inherent anti-Semitism while they are drinking the pro-Palestinian Kool-Aid, which is essentially Hezbollah propaganda.
I cannot understand why so many liberals Jews in the United Kingdom are still members of the Labour Party, since it’s leadership and many of the core membership treats their views with contempt.
Jews and Israel are not the same thing, as much as all sorts of people would like to pretend they are.
Supposedly I am an evil Jew (actually my mother was not Jewish so under Jewish law I am not technically…. SHUT UP YOU FILTHY KIKE, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO WIGGLE OUT OF IT) who has stolen the money of the local taxpayers in Kettering – and cut their lovely services to satisfy my greed to put the money in my Jew cave.
This sort of campaign works for the Labour Party – after all I am no longer a councillor here in Kettering, so why should they drop this style of campaign?
And it is not just local types – it is the Oxford University Labour Club and so on.
“Goldman Sachs” and the “Rothschilds” and the other “Bankster Zionists” who practice “apartheid against the Palestinians” are responsible for all the world’s problems.
They have “cut benefits” and are “privatising our NHS” in order put the stolen money in their Jew caves – just like ME.
If you do not believe this – then “Russia Today” (or “RT”) will explain it all to you.
And if you do not watch this sort of thing – then Jeremy Corbyn will put the same basic message in more subtle language (but keeping the “dog whistles”).
By the way even people from Jewish families play this game.
To Karl Marx businessmen were “inwardly circumcised Jews” – he was not praising them.
And, as Paul Johnson pointed out (in his “History of the Jews”) the rantings of Karl Marx against the capitalists are taken, sometimes word-for-word, from Martin Luther’s rantings against the Jews.
The Labour Party is just going back to their roots – envy and blaming “the rich” (rich people with long noses who are alien to Working Class BRITISH people) for everything.
Why should the Labour Party drop this approach?
It works.
Watch the London campaign for Mayor.
Of course other populations now expanding on this island have a tradition of hating Jews. Another reason for the Labour Party to carry on this position.
So I do not see what “problem” the Labour Party is supposed to have. I think this will be a successful position for them.
But we shall see – as I said, watch the campaign for Mayor of London.
A rich Jew is the Conservative Party candidate – an ideal target for the new Labour Party.
Are there anti-semites in the labour party? of course, but then there are anti-semites in every major political party, and I would venture to say that proportion wise it is as much if not more of a problem in the Lib-dems or UKIP.
Go to any ‘right of centre’ website and read the comments sections and you will not need to look hard to find overt racism, the difference with anti-semitism is that it is a prejudice that also seems to infect a large chapter of the left as well as right.
“Jews and Israel are not the same thing, as much as all sorts of people would like to pretend they are.”
Israel is a Jewish country.
English people and England are not the same thing?
“Are there anti-semites in the labour party? of course, but then there are anti-semites in every major political party, and I would venture to say that proportion wise it is as much if not more of a problem in the Lib-dems or UKIP.”
No they are many more in the Labour. Because Marxists hate everyone successful that is not dependent on them.
Lucklucky nails it, as does Paul with his remark on Marx.
For the same reason so many Jews are still supporting the Democratic party, and for the same reason so many Israeli Jews are still supporting our version of Laboour. Antisemitism is inherent to socialism, since Jews are traditionally viewed – either rightly or not – as more successful than other peoples, and we can’t have that. And yes, a Jew can be as antisemitic as a gentile, and we have plenty of those, including here in the Jewish state.
Actually we are, to the extent that fits the context of the post.
Laboour? Hmm, I wonder if there’s a pun in it somewhere…
Sorry Alisa, but I’m claiming that quote as mine (see above)
But you’re quite right that the association of Jews and socialism goes back a long way, for the simple reason that they foolishly believed that when the lefties claimed that “all were equal” it included them. Ask any Soviet Jew how inclusive that was. Not much would be a pretty accurate summary.
This is why I am and will remain a gentile Zionist, because I fundamentally believe that without a Jewish homeland the persecution of the Jews is inevitable.
I may be weird, but I don’t believe that I am wrong.
I knew it was yours, JG – sorry for making it seem otherwise by the way I mis-formulated my own comment.
That is only part of the problem. The other part is that Jews are not any more immune to envy and resentment of success than any other group.
Presumably, not having a Jewish mother, Zac Goldsmith is technically not Jewish….for those to whom such things matter.
He would make a good Mayor of London, but he needs to get his act together. As Norris said, he has to win outer London, he certainly isn’t going to win in inner London.
Actually according to a Yougov poll the most anti-semitic party is UKIP, with the other three main parties roughly equal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11346529/Revealed-the-most-anti-Semitic-people-in-Britain-and-who-they-vote-for.html
Let’s get back to basic definitions. A bigot, contrary to it’s current use as synonymous with racist, is someone who cant tolerate another person having a different point of view. On that basis, pretty much all of the left today are bigots.
It is simply inconceivable that anyone with a soul, a conscience, or even a vaguely functioning intellect could disagree with them. You must be evil, dumb, or a denier.
It’s a corollary to the internet/nazi thing. The first person to call another a nazi in an online argument loses the argument. If someone calls you a bigot, look very closely at what they’ve had to say. Odds are they are the ones that are intolerant.
“Are there anti-semites in the Labour Party”.
That is not the point – the point is that anti semites are now the LEADERSHIP of the Labour Party. And that antisemitism (blaming everything on “Goldman Sachs” and the “Rothschilds” and the other “Banksters” who eat Palestinian babies or sell their body parts to profit their boo-hiss “corporations”) is now the core strategy of the Labour Party.
Watch the campaign for Mayor of London – it will not be “UKIP” who will be playing the Jew-bashing card (and “not having a Jewish mother will not help Mr Goldsmith- did you not read my comment mickc? I do not have a Jewish mother either). No more than it was “UKIP” who did it in this town in the Midlands – Kettering.
In short hennesli – WAKE UP.
I am tired of this.
The Labour Party is evil – sickeningly evil, and people are still coming on here and making excuses for Comrade Corbyn and the other filth.
jorb wrote :”A bigot, contrary to it’s current use as synonymous with racist”
It’s notable that using words of which they do not know the dictionary definition or, alternatively, see fit to corrupt the meaning seems to be endemic in the loud-shouting left.
Alisa, I just meant that there are plenty of Jewish people- some even in Israel- who don’t see Israel as a legitimate country, or who favour the “Palestinian” vision of Israel’s future. You know better than I do that people can hate on Israel and be Jewish, just as they can hate on Jews and think Israel and its doings are just swell.
The difference with England is that England predates the English diaspora. Israel is unique- a deliberate creation for and by a dispersed people. More Jews live outside Israel than in it. Their family faith, national loyalty, and ethnic identity predate Israel and owe nothing to it. Some of them are far more loyal to anti-Israeli political dogma than they are to their Jewish identity and the other people who share it.
Point taken, staghounds.
I’m back! The Lands office has been changing the computers and equipment here, so I’ve been resting my keyboard for two weeks.
Regretably, we have some anti-Semitic people here, and they seem to concentrate in the Labour Party. This is because Australia is an immigrant country, and some of those immigrants come from Muslim countries, and settle in Labour seats, and the party might feel obliged to reflect the views of the local community.
Another reason for socialists not liking Israel now, is that Israel started off like a socialists dream, with kibbutzim everywhere. You don’t hear much about that now, as Israel is touted as a capitalist paradise (compared to its’ neighbours).