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An angry voice for UKIP

Another Angry Voice seems to be a bog-standard lefty-green blog bashing out mostly boring and predictable articles about how all the political parties are too right wing and if only proper lefties could get in power we could have an even bigger state and poor people would stop being wage slaves and… yawn. What bores me most is the obsession with rich vs. poor, when the real battle is state vs. individual, so it all misses the point and does not seem worth engaging with.

But some of his UKIP-bashing is doing the rounds on Facebook. And it is making me want to vote for UKIP even more.

According to AAV, UKIP are Thatcherite ex-tories, which just makes them sound like the proper Tories that the current lot are not, which is, if not ideal, an improvement.

In another article in which AAV is confused about the meaning of “tax avoidance” and “tax evasion”, he points out that “Farage declared that ‘straightforward’ tax avoidance isn’t ‘bad’ or ‘wrong’ and that most tax-dodgers are only good-hearted people trying to rip off the rest of the taxpaying public for the good of their children!” Translation: Farage understands that of course people should not voluntarily hand over more tax than they are required to pay. I like Farage even more.

We also learn that UKIP MEP members do not bother to turn up to the European Parliament (why encourage them?), that Farage did not bother to engage with the EU on fish policies (let’s just ignore them and leave the EU), that they voted against clamping down on ivory trade (it makes more sense to legalise it) and that they have not voted in favour of taxing foreigners for some imagined benefits to the UK.

Finally, we learn that the Green Party is the only other route out of the EU, but unlike UKIP, they will not give us any “neoliberal orthodoxy of privatisation, deregulation, tax cuts”.

That seals the deal, then.

Addendum: In unrelated news, my current favourite computer game has been labelled Thatcherite by an idiot. I should read these kinds of bloggers more to discover more good things that they hate.

10 comments to An angry voice for UKIP

  • David

    people should not voluntarily hand over more tax than they are required to pay

    And he is right. Down here in Oz we had a businessman called Kerry Packer [now deceased] who told a Senate enquiry that “I am not evading tax in any way, shape or form. Now of course I am minimizing my tax and if anybody in this country doesn’t minimize their tax they want their heads read because as a government I can tell you you’re not spending it that well that we should be donating extra”.

  • Paul Marks

    Clearly this socialist “Angry Voice” is a vile person.

    The only point I would make (and I fully admit it is a self interested point) is that we do not have PR in this country.

    Under a “first past the post” election system, voting for the candidate you want to win, can result in the victory of the candidate (of the party) that you hate most.

  • Bob Grahame

    Wow! Love the Elite article Rob linked to. They even have a jab at the BBC for promoting a right wing pro-elitist/capitalist agenda. Astounding stuff.

  • Anyone unaware of UKIPs policy of voting “No” to everything in the EP simply isn’t paying attention.

    “In unrelated news, my current favourite computer game has been labelled Thatcherite by an idiot.”

    That has to be satire. Surely.

  • Watchman

    Love the alien fiction article – so serious with its use of Culture (note the capital letter there!) and very dated use of cultural theories and sub-Chomsky (to be fair to Chomsky, who is an idiot but at least competent in his field, so sub-Chomsky they may be antipodean-Chomsky) attemps at using literary criticism. So accurate in its reporting of its source material(take ‘“Elite is the Product of two young [privileged] students [from an Elite university] who dared to dream the impossible”’ – those insertions in no way reflect limited minds at work). When people say that the left have taken over academia, I now have the argument to prove them wrong: this is what true socialist dominated academia would look like. What we have now is people who are at least aware enough not to write something so blindingly crap.

    As for Angry Voice, it is just a typical frustrated Chavinista – they know what the world should be like (ignoring all the evidence they are wrong) and get angry that others challenge them. There are plenty of nice and pleasant (if wrong) socialists – the Angry Voice is not one of them.

    Interesting how socialism makes many people ignore facts and realities in favour of their favourite theory. Although probably worth checking that we don’t do the same thing I suppose (and have therefore submitted myself to reading the alien ficton article again to be sure I wasn’t overtly biased in my reading of it – damn having principles…).

  • I’m glad to see the Elite article getting some love. I almost made a post about it in its own right but didn’t think a random idiot on the internet was quite worthy enough for that. But it seems to have struck a chord!

  • Watchman says: “Interesting how socialism makes many people ignore facts and realities in favour of their favourite theory. Although probably worth checking that we don’t do the same thing”

    Another Angry Voice says: “For the proponent to espouse such oversimplified arguments they must be using the ignoring the facts strategy. Since the 1970s the size of the state has shrunk dramatically with huge state industries sold off to the private sector (oil, gas, coal, steel, aviation, rail, water) and state services outsourced (diverse functions of local government, school meals, forensic science, court translation, PFI scams to name but a few) yet the living standards of ordinary working people have fallen dramatically since this process began. Wages have been stagnating for decades, pensions have been repeatedly attacked, the retirement age has been increased, personal debt levels have grown enormously and most families need both parents to work in order to make ends meet. If the “evil state” is so bad, why have things been getting so much worse for ordinary working people since the neoliberals began dismantling it?”

    Fascinating.

  • Mr Ed

    If the “evil state” is so bad, why have things been getting so much worse for ordinary working people since the neoliberals began dismantling it?”

    So a growing National Debt of £1,480,600,000,000 of borrowed money spent by the State is ‘dismantling’?

  • I never played the original Elite (just ever-so-slightly before my time) but I did spend hours and hours in front of my Commodore Amiga as a child (and teen) playing the sequel Frontier.
    It did have lots of subversive messages: Time and hard work earned you lots of money. The police always went away if you paid them enough. The pirates behaved exactly the same as the police (but were easier to kill).
    I’m assuming Elite Dangerous is a new version made by the same author. If so, no wonder lefty types hate it.

  • JohnW

    Another Angry Voice is just another witless clown luring gullible and inexperienced youngsters into another wasted life of misery and hatred.
    We should not laugh at such depravity – these fools are ruining people’s lives.