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		<title>By: Surellin</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-280002</link>
		<dc:creator>Surellin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My 12-year-old son, undoubtedly goaded by my profane mutterings about Bloomberg, has been unearthing Hizzoner&#039;s nannyings from the web recently.  When he said, &quot;Maybe Bloomberg should start worrying about bedbugs instead of large Cokes&quot;, I knew he was going to grow up to be a fine upright curmudgeon like his father.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 12-year-old son, undoubtedly goaded by my profane mutterings about Bloomberg, has been unearthing Hizzoner&#8217;s nannyings from the web recently.  When he said, &#8220;Maybe Bloomberg should start worrying about bedbugs instead of large Cokes&#8221;, I knew he was going to grow up to be a fine upright curmudgeon like his father.</p>
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		<title>By: Tedd</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-278334</link>
		<dc:creator>Tedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personal gain and a will to power might explain the the politicians who promote the progressive agenda, and the bureaucrats who benefit from it, but it doesn&#039;t explain the much larger number of people who support the progressive agenda by voting, or by hooting at the appropriate moment during speeches.  For that, we have to look at the &quot;magical thinking&quot; that veryretired describes.  This is a battle of ideas, not of motives.

Progressives have a set of ideas that are easily understood, flatter those who subscribe to them, and provide plausible-seeming insurance against things most people fear.  That&#039;s a sufficiently powerful combination that it scarcely matters whether the ideas have any actual merit.

Enlightenment about progressive ideas isn&#039;t going to come from external events, such as economic or even social collapse.  Those things will only cause people to cling to their beliefs that much harder.  If it comes at all it will come, as veryretired said, after a long period of publicly critiquing progressive ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal gain and a will to power might explain the the politicians who promote the progressive agenda, and the bureaucrats who benefit from it, but it doesn&#8217;t explain the much larger number of people who support the progressive agenda by voting, or by hooting at the appropriate moment during speeches.  For that, we have to look at the &#8220;magical thinking&#8221; that veryretired describes.  This is a battle of ideas, not of motives.</p>
<p>Progressives have a set of ideas that are easily understood, flatter those who subscribe to them, and provide plausible-seeming insurance against things most people fear.  That&#8217;s a sufficiently powerful combination that it scarcely matters whether the ideas have any actual merit.</p>
<p>Enlightenment about progressive ideas isn&#8217;t going to come from external events, such as economic or even social collapse.  Those things will only cause people to cling to their beliefs that much harder.  If it comes at all it will come, as veryretired said, after a long period of publicly critiquing progressive ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-278279</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and isn&#039;t it time to drop the &#039;Nanny&#039; bit? I think we are way beyond that - today&#039;s Nanny would be arrested after a tip-off from Social Services, even if she wasn&#039;t a UKIP member.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and isn&#8217;t it time to drop the &#8216;Nanny&#8217; bit? I think we are way beyond that &#8211; today&#8217;s Nanny would be arrested after a tip-off from Social Services, even if she wasn&#8217;t a UKIP member.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-278278</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other people have to suffer because he cares. This is the essence of Progressivism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other people have to suffer because he cares. This is the essence of Progressivism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie G</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-278023</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernie G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The seven round magazine law was implemented not for safety, but for control and to make felons out of law-abiding gun owners. They are virtually unobtainable for most weapons. For current weapons they would have to be specially manufactured. Owners of older weapons would simply be out of luck. In the Bloomberg regime, police with illegal magazines wouldn&#039;t have to worry because the &lt;em&gt;Gregory Rule*&lt;/em&gt; would apply.

*Named for that path-finding legal scholar, David Gregory of MSNBC, who established that firearms laws do not apply to the right people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The seven round magazine law was implemented not for safety, but for control and to make felons out of law-abiding gun owners. They are virtually unobtainable for most weapons. For current weapons they would have to be specially manufactured. Owners of older weapons would simply be out of luck. In the Bloomberg regime, police with illegal magazines wouldn&#8217;t have to worry because the <em>Gregory Rule*</em> would apply.</p>
<p>*Named for that path-finding legal scholar, David Gregory of MSNBC, who established that firearms laws do not apply to the right people.</p>
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		<title>By: Saxon</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-277191</link>
		<dc:creator>Saxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is hard to be charitable and hope that he never suffers extended pain.&quot;

no, no, no ... if/when he needs pain meds, he &#039;ll have them. these laws are for the commoners - not for the ruling elite. 

off topic, when the corrupt idiots passed gun control laws, they forgot to exempt police from the &quot;7 bullet limit on clips&quot; - so, now they need to revise (and the turd bloomy or cuomo won&#039;t be affected in any way)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is hard to be charitable and hope that he never suffers extended pain.&#8221;</p>
<p>no, no, no &#8230; if/when he needs pain meds, he &#8216;ll have them. these laws are for the commoners &#8211; not for the ruling elite. </p>
<p>off topic, when the corrupt idiots passed gun control laws, they forgot to exempt police from the &#8220;7 bullet limit on clips&#8221; &#8211; so, now they need to revise (and the turd bloomy or cuomo won&#8217;t be affected in any way)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-277186</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean, at the federal level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, at the federal level.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-277185</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This particular policy is such a travesty because we&#039;ve only just (mostly) recovered from a period where dying people couldn&#039;t get as the medications they needed to control the pain because somebody, somewhere might become addicted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This particular policy is such a travesty because we&#8217;ve only just (mostly) recovered from a period where dying people couldn&#8217;t get as the medications they needed to control the pain because somebody, somewhere might become addicted.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-277021</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple points from one of Baron Bloomberg;s subjects. 

His last re-election was not at all comfortable. He near lost against an underfunded non entity. Bloomberg spent more than $100 mil on his campaign. His popularity is (at least from what I see) in the tank. Not because most New Yorkers are not liberal (in the US sense of the term) but because his nannyism is so annoying. 

 A few year ago I was amazed to see a very violent screed aginst him on a blackboard outside a gay bar in the West Village. His support for Gay marriage didn&#039;t stop them from hating him for all the petty regulation he&#039;s imposed on their lifestyle (smoking bans etc.) 

 Our Baron has a mean streak that comes out whenever he feels he is up against an opponent that cannot, within the context of New York City politics, strike back. 

 I could go on but it would be a waste of time. There is only one thing I am certain of, the next Mayor of my beloved city will be worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple points from one of Baron Bloomberg;s subjects. </p>
<p>His last re-election was not at all comfortable. He near lost against an underfunded non entity. Bloomberg spent more than $100 mil on his campaign. His popularity is (at least from what I see) in the tank. Not because most New Yorkers are not liberal (in the US sense of the term) but because his nannyism is so annoying. </p>
<p> A few year ago I was amazed to see a very violent screed aginst him on a blackboard outside a gay bar in the West Village. His support for Gay marriage didn&#8217;t stop them from hating him for all the petty regulation he&#8217;s imposed on their lifestyle (smoking bans etc.) </p>
<p> Our Baron has a mean streak that comes out whenever he feels he is up against an opponent that cannot, within the context of New York City politics, strike back. </p>
<p> I could go on but it would be a waste of time. There is only one thing I am certain of, the next Mayor of my beloved city will be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Current</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-276971</link>
		<dc:creator>Current</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;I think it is much simpler than what both SD and Current are saying. I think it is the desire to control other people.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m sure that Bloomberg enjoys that as much as any politician.  But, why does he want to control these people in this particular way?  Why don&#039;t the left have more legislative pops at the rich, the religious and conservative?  They certainly could, the poor may be easier to control, but not by much.

&lt;em&gt;“Welfare” means control, because he who pays the piper calls the tune.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

But, do governments control people directly with welfare?  Generally not.  Some welfare comes with strings attached.  For example, most of the unemployed who are claiming benefit must show that they&#039;re looking for a job (though this is easy to circumvent).  Governments don&#039;t say &quot;to claim X you must stay off the fags, booze &amp; drugs&quot;?  Why not?  Because doing that would be an admission about welfare recipients that the elite left don&#039;t want to make.

Once in a while someone suggests some sort of &quot;re-education camp&quot; for those on welfare.  A sort of military-style program to put them back on the straight-and-narrow.  Why does no government do this?  It would certainly satiate some lust for power and control.  They don&#039;t do it because spreading the idea that it needs doing would be too detrimental to their goals.  The public may think &quot;Instead of sending this shiftless lot to a bootcamp why don&#039;t we cut their welfare down to, say, 10lb of potatoes per day?  Or how about nothing?  Nothing sounds good to me&quot;.

The government can&#039;t directly attack the feckless that would be too dangerous.  So they have to impose laws on everyone in order that a specific few hopefully obey them.  Conservative governments are limited in the same way because if they are too obvious about targeting welfare recipients then they&#039;ll get attacked by the left.  

The crux of this is what can be said in polite society.  If it&#039;s off limits to criticize the poor and welfare recipients too much then the left are safe.  At present it seems acceptable to laugh at stereotypes of people watching Jeremy Kyle in every situation except conversations about politics.  If that changed then the first thing that would happen is that conservatives would use it as an opportunity to show that certain groups are feckless.  They could do that pretty easily, the statistical evidence exists it just isn&#039;t polite to talk about it.  That would then push a whole lot more voters in an anti-welfare direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I think it is much simpler than what both SD and Current are saying. I think it is the desire to control other people.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that Bloomberg enjoys that as much as any politician.  But, why does he want to control these people in this particular way?  Why don&#8217;t the left have more legislative pops at the rich, the religious and conservative?  They certainly could, the poor may be easier to control, but not by much.</p>
<p><em>“Welfare” means control, because he who pays the piper calls the tune.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>But, do governments control people directly with welfare?  Generally not.  Some welfare comes with strings attached.  For example, most of the unemployed who are claiming benefit must show that they&#8217;re looking for a job (though this is easy to circumvent).  Governments don&#8217;t say &#8220;to claim X you must stay off the fags, booze &amp; drugs&#8221;?  Why not?  Because doing that would be an admission about welfare recipients that the elite left don&#8217;t want to make.</p>
<p>Once in a while someone suggests some sort of &#8220;re-education camp&#8221; for those on welfare.  A sort of military-style program to put them back on the straight-and-narrow.  Why does no government do this?  It would certainly satiate some lust for power and control.  They don&#8217;t do it because spreading the idea that it needs doing would be too detrimental to their goals.  The public may think &#8220;Instead of sending this shiftless lot to a bootcamp why don&#8217;t we cut their welfare down to, say, 10lb of potatoes per day?  Or how about nothing?  Nothing sounds good to me&#8221;.</p>
<p>The government can&#8217;t directly attack the feckless that would be too dangerous.  So they have to impose laws on everyone in order that a specific few hopefully obey them.  Conservative governments are limited in the same way because if they are too obvious about targeting welfare recipients then they&#8217;ll get attacked by the left.  </p>
<p>The crux of this is what can be said in polite society.  If it&#8217;s off limits to criticize the poor and welfare recipients too much then the left are safe.  At present it seems acceptable to laugh at stereotypes of people watching Jeremy Kyle in every situation except conversations about politics.  If that changed then the first thing that would happen is that conservatives would use it as an opportunity to show that certain groups are feckless.  They could do that pretty easily, the statistical evidence exists it just isn&#8217;t polite to talk about it.  That would then push a whole lot more voters in an anti-welfare direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Falco</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-276970</link>
		<dc:creator>Falco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who has been in severe pain on the NHS is likely to recall their &quot;pain management&quot; only in the darkest pits of night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has been in severe pain on the NHS is likely to recall their &#8220;pain management&#8221; only in the darkest pits of night.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie near Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/nanny-bloomberg/#comment-276938</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie near Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so glad, Thornavis!  I&#039;d feel exactly the same way about the little bit of risk.  Thank you for letting me know.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad, Thornavis!  I&#8217;d feel exactly the same way about the little bit of risk.  Thank you for letting me know.  <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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