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	<title>Comments on: Feminism?! In 1912?!</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-275988</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is some irony here Laird.

&quot;Teddy&quot; Roosevelt said a lot of bad things - but he was all-over-the-place in his thinking (he was not really a total state person - one could never know where his butterfly mind would go).

Woodrow &quot;The State&quot; Wilson was a total state person - as is clear not just from his own works (and what he tried to do), but also from the work of his &quot;other self&quot; Colonel House - &quot;Philip Dru: Adminstrator&quot;.

The irony is that Woodrow Wilson was a racist (he pushed &quot;Birth of a Nation&quot;, the revival of the KKK in the 20th century was his doing) - and yet his work (the work of &quot;fundementally transforming&quot; American to slavery, sorry to the &quot;New Freedom&quot;) is being completed by a black man, Barack Obama.

Woodrow Wilson would not even use the same toilet as Barack Obama (Wilson was the President who insisted that black and white Federal government employees use different toilets - no previous President had done this), yet his evil work is being completed by a black person.

History is laughing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some irony here Laird.</p>
<p>&#8220;Teddy&#8221; Roosevelt said a lot of bad things &#8211; but he was all-over-the-place in his thinking (he was not really a total state person &#8211; one could never know where his butterfly mind would go).</p>
<p>Woodrow &#8220;The State&#8221; Wilson was a total state person &#8211; as is clear not just from his own works (and what he tried to do), but also from the work of his &#8220;other self&#8221; Colonel House &#8211; &#8220;Philip Dru: Adminstrator&#8221;.</p>
<p>The irony is that Woodrow Wilson was a racist (he pushed &#8220;Birth of a Nation&#8221;, the revival of the KKK in the 20th century was his doing) &#8211; and yet his work (the work of &#8220;fundementally transforming&#8221; American to slavery, sorry to the &#8220;New Freedom&#8221;) is being completed by a black man, Barack Obama.</p>
<p>Woodrow Wilson would not even use the same toilet as Barack Obama (Wilson was the President who insisted that black and white Federal government employees use different toilets &#8211; no previous President had done this), yet his evil work is being completed by a black person.</p>
<p>History is laughing.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie near Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-275584</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie near Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 02:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, you two.  I WAS enjoying a nice hot supper (it&#039;s a little chilly Near Chicago just now).  But now I&#039;m thinking of throwing the rest of it at the cat  And it&#039;s Estimated-Tax Day, and I just got back from sending a GREAT deal more $ than I can afford to the spendthrift creatures in D.C.

I think I&#039;ll have a nice cup of hemlock tea to soothe my nerves.  :&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, you two.  I WAS enjoying a nice hot supper (it&#8217;s a little chilly Near Chicago just now).  But now I&#8217;m thinking of throwing the rest of it at the cat  And it&#8217;s Estimated-Tax Day, and I just got back from sending a GREAT deal more $ than I can afford to the spendthrift creatures in D.C.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll have a nice cup of hemlock tea to soothe my nerves.  :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-275514</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed it was, Paul. We&#039;re &quot;celebrating&quot; the centennial of the Federal Reserve and the income tax this year. Plus the (first) inauguration of Woodrow Wilson. Truly a joyous year!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed it was, Paul. We&#8217;re &#8220;celebrating&#8221; the centennial of the Federal Reserve and the income tax this year. Plus the (first) inauguration of Woodrow Wilson. Truly a joyous year!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-275479</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1913 is fair enough as far as Britain is concerned (after all my father was born in that year).

However, it is a vile year as far as the United States is concerned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1913 is fair enough as far as Britain is concerned (after all my father was born in that year).</p>
<p>However, it is a vile year as far as the United States is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex McKee</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-275469</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am enjoying your series of history posts immensely, Patrick, wondering if you be moving on to 1913 in due course? (I had assumed you&#039;d make the move at the New Year but perhaps your TARDIS is out of order.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am enjoying your series of history posts immensely, Patrick, wondering if you be moving on to 1913 in due course? (I had assumed you&#8217;d make the move at the New Year but perhaps your TARDIS is out of order.)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Crozier</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-274989</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Crozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s where Brits post their mail.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/43196&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is an example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s where Brits post their mail.  <a href="http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/43196" rel="nofollow">This</a> is an example.</p>
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		<title>By: Achillea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achillea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An American raises her hand.  

What&#039;s a pillar box?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An American raises her hand.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s a pillar box?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-274970</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The British position was confused - as normal.

Unlike France someone (if they wished) could leave all their money and property to their daughters (&quot;cutting off&quot; their sons).

Also in England and Wales - women who paid the rates (the local property tax) had the vote for local Poor Law Guardians from 1834 and for local councils from 1835.

Yet, even in 1912, they did not have the vote for Parliament.

However, this is partly bacause the leftist element in the &quot;votes for women&quot; movement hated the idea of just women who paid tax having the vote for Parliament - as they believed this would benefit the Conservative party.

On the unions - and the strike-threat-system (as W.H. Hutt called it).

There negative effects on gender (and racial) matters go back a long way.

Even in the, late, Middle Ages it was the GUILDS that pushed women out of so many occupations.

Many women were forced to become servants (or even prosititutes) because so many other trades were effectively closed to them.

The idea that the unions are the friends of women is a modern myth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British position was confused &#8211; as normal.</p>
<p>Unlike France someone (if they wished) could leave all their money and property to their daughters (&#8220;cutting off&#8221; their sons).</p>
<p>Also in England and Wales &#8211; women who paid the rates (the local property tax) had the vote for local Poor Law Guardians from 1834 and for local councils from 1835.</p>
<p>Yet, even in 1912, they did not have the vote for Parliament.</p>
<p>However, this is partly bacause the leftist element in the &#8220;votes for women&#8221; movement hated the idea of just women who paid tax having the vote for Parliament &#8211; as they believed this would benefit the Conservative party.</p>
<p>On the unions &#8211; and the strike-threat-system (as W.H. Hutt called it).</p>
<p>There negative effects on gender (and racial) matters go back a long way.</p>
<p>Even in the, late, Middle Ages it was the GUILDS that pushed women out of so many occupations.</p>
<p>Many women were forced to become servants (or even prosititutes) because so many other trades were effectively closed to them.</p>
<p>The idea that the unions are the friends of women is a modern myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Crozier</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-274874</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Crozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am very lucky in that I can get access through my local library.  The database itself is run by Gale Group.  I believe they run a direct subscriber package but if I remember correctly it costs a fortune.

I apologise for the confusion I seem to have caused.  I thought the word &quot;1912&quot;, the old-fashioned type face on the graphic and my reference to events &quot;a century ago&quot; would be sufficient.  

Wrong, Crozier.  Wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very lucky in that I can get access through my local library.  The database itself is run by Gale Group.  I believe they run a direct subscriber package but if I remember correctly it costs a fortune.</p>
<p>I apologise for the confusion I seem to have caused.  I thought the word &#8220;1912&#8243;, the old-fashioned type face on the graphic and my reference to events &#8220;a century ago&#8221; would be sufficient.  </p>
<p>Wrong, Crozier.  Wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Whangadude</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-274853</link>
		<dc:creator>Whangadude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Care to share where on the Interwebs we can get the news from 100 years ago to the day?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care to share where on the Interwebs we can get the news from 100 years ago to the day?</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-274783</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laird, I think Patrick is speaking to us from 100 years ago - that&#039;s why we can hear him, but cannot see him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laird, I think Patrick is speaking to us from 100 years ago &#8211; that&#8217;s why we can hear him, but cannot see him.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/feminism-in-1912/#comment-274705</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 03:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must be missing something here. Don&#039;t women &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; have the vote? Even in France? So what are they smashing shop windows about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be missing something here. Don&#8217;t women <em>already</em> have the vote? Even in France? So what are they smashing shop windows about?</p>
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