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	<title>Comments on: The folly of eliminating risk from life</title>
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		<title>By: Julie near Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273938</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie near Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See Bill Whittle&#039;s 6-minute video &quot;The Deal,&quot; in which he explains how aviation would never have gotten off the ground (so to speak) if men, both pilots and businessmen, had been unwilling to risk; and of his hope that Burt Rutan, Virgin Galactic, and so forth will be able to pick up NASA&#039;s ball that&#039;s dribbled into the gutter.

He talks a little bit, by the way, about one of my favorite books--Ernest K. Gann&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Fate is the Hunter.&lt;/em&gt;  And points out that--well, I hope you watch it so you can see for yourselves.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbdJ3kyVyU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbdJ3kyVyU&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Bill Whittle&#8217;s 6-minute video &#8220;The Deal,&#8221; in which he explains how aviation would never have gotten off the ground (so to speak) if men, both pilots and businessmen, had been unwilling to risk; and of his hope that Burt Rutan, Virgin Galactic, and so forth will be able to pick up NASA&#8217;s ball that&#8217;s dribbled into the gutter.</p>
<p>He talks a little bit, by the way, about one of my favorite books&#8211;Ernest K. Gann&#8217;s <em>Fate is the Hunter.</em>  And points out that&#8211;well, I hope you watch it so you can see for yourselves.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbdJ3kyVyU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbdJ3kyVyU</a></p>
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		<title>By: Midwesterner</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273756</link>
		<dc:creator>Midwesterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RogerC,

From the description of that book you linked&quot;
&lt;blockquote&gt;It postulates that behaviour is governed by the probable costs and benefits of alternative courses of action which are perceived through filters formed from all the previous incidents and associations in the risk-taker&#039;s life.;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which is why attempting to isolate children from risk has created adults without awareness of, or even interest in, negative consequences of decisions.  

By the time people finally start calibrating their risk meters, the stakes can be enormous.  Lacking understanding and practice, they weigh risk poorly and the consequences of unbalanced risk aversion, not at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RogerC,</p>
<p>From the description of that book you linked&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>It postulates that behaviour is governed by the probable costs and benefits of alternative courses of action which are perceived through filters formed from all the previous incidents and associations in the risk-taker&#8217;s life.;</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is why attempting to isolate children from risk has created adults without awareness of, or even interest in, negative consequences of decisions.  </p>
<p>By the time people finally start calibrating their risk meters, the stakes can be enormous.  Lacking understanding and practice, they weigh risk poorly and the consequences of unbalanced risk aversion, not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273678</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a very sad story Julie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very sad story Julie.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterT</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273670</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is not just risk aversion, but a poor understanding by the populace of relative levels of risk. Hence too much effort goes into anti-terrorism risk management, and perhaps too little into managing more boring risks - for example by putting up a fence around your swimming pool to prevent your toddler falling in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not just risk aversion, but a poor understanding by the populace of relative levels of risk. Hence too much effort goes into anti-terrorism risk management, and perhaps too little into managing more boring risks &#8211; for example by putting up a fence around your swimming pool to prevent your toddler falling in.</p>
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		<title>By: RogerC</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273617</link>
		<dc:creator>RogerC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Risk&#039;s very difficult to actually reduce, but very easy to move around from place to place. You can get a local reduction in risk very easily, but the reduced risk &lt;i&gt;here&lt;/i&gt; tends to pop up again as increased risk &lt;i&gt;there&lt;/i&gt;.

A classic example is seat belts, where an increase in safety inside the vehicle is more than cancelled out in most populations by and increase in injuries to pedestrians, cyclists and other less well armoured road users.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Risk-John-Adams/dp/1857280687/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1357894183&amp;sr=1-1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risk&#8217;s very difficult to actually reduce, but very easy to move around from place to place. You can get a local reduction in risk very easily, but the reduced risk <i>here</i> tends to pop up again as increased risk <i>there</i>.</p>
<p>A classic example is seat belts, where an increase in safety inside the vehicle is more than cancelled out in most populations by and increase in injuries to pedestrians, cyclists and other less well armoured road users.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Risk-John-Adams/dp/1857280687/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1357894183&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Risk-John-Adams/dp/1857280687/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1357894183&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julie near Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273613</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie near Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was a kid the playground had swings, with actual flat seats that were wide enough to accommodate a fair-sized rump.  And you could stand up in the swing and pump standing up.  What a thrill!  

My fiancé and I used to stop when we passed a playground while on a walk, and swing in the swings.

Sometime in the &#039;60&#039;s, it was realized that those flat seats could clobber children in the cranium, and all the schools and parks replaced them with the flexible rubber strips.  Not much good for standing up in, and not very comfortable to sit in either.  Goodbye swinging.

Eventually it was discovered that even the strips hurt if you got clouted by the edge of one;  but worse, there was still the possibility that a kid might fall out of the swing.

I haven&#039;t seen a swing, nor a jungle gym, nor a teeter-totter, nor one of those kid-powered merry-go-rounds in a playground in many, many years.

Meanwhile, there have been cases where the grandparents have been sued by the parents because the kids have gotten hurt on their parents&#039; old swings in the grandparents&#039; back yard.

When I was a kid, the lucky ones among us had trees, and dads who drilled two holes in a board with rounded edges, threaded a good long sturdy rope through the holes, and tied the ends around a stout branch.  Ours must&#039;ve been at least 10&#039; off the ground.  Swinging in it was pure heaven--I could swing for hours (or so it seemed).  

It was guaranteed that you&#039;d fall out of the swing at least once each year, and twice every other year because the rope always broke at some point.  Usually didn&#039;t fall very far.  Never got more out of it than a skinned knee.

I sure miss the swings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid the playground had swings, with actual flat seats that were wide enough to accommodate a fair-sized rump.  And you could stand up in the swing and pump standing up.  What a thrill!  </p>
<p>My fiancé and I used to stop when we passed a playground while on a walk, and swing in the swings.</p>
<p>Sometime in the &#8217;60&#8242;s, it was realized that those flat seats could clobber children in the cranium, and all the schools and parks replaced them with the flexible rubber strips.  Not much good for standing up in, and not very comfortable to sit in either.  Goodbye swinging.</p>
<p>Eventually it was discovered that even the strips hurt if you got clouted by the edge of one;  but worse, there was still the possibility that a kid might fall out of the swing.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen a swing, nor a jungle gym, nor a teeter-totter, nor one of those kid-powered merry-go-rounds in a playground in many, many years.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, there have been cases where the grandparents have been sued by the parents because the kids have gotten hurt on their parents&#8217; old swings in the grandparents&#8217; back yard.</p>
<p>When I was a kid, the lucky ones among us had trees, and dads who drilled two holes in a board with rounded edges, threaded a good long sturdy rope through the holes, and tied the ends around a stout branch.  Ours must&#8217;ve been at least 10&#8242; off the ground.  Swinging in it was pure heaven&#8211;I could swing for hours (or so it seemed).  </p>
<p>It was guaranteed that you&#8217;d fall out of the swing at least once each year, and twice every other year because the rope always broke at some point.  Usually didn&#8217;t fall very far.  Never got more out of it than a skinned knee.</p>
<p>I sure miss the swings.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wobbly Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273536</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wobbly Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which group of people tend to be anti-risk? I suspect the growth of government in modern times (20th century onwards) has a lot to do with the emancipation of a certain class of people who previously did not have the vote.

Oops, did I upset the apple cart again? Sorry.

The genie is out - it can never be put back in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which group of people tend to be anti-risk? I suspect the growth of government in modern times (20th century onwards) has a lot to do with the emancipation of a certain class of people who previously did not have the vote.</p>
<p>Oops, did I upset the apple cart again? Sorry.</p>
<p>The genie is out &#8211; it can never be put back in.</p>
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		<title>By: veryretired</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273485</link>
		<dc:creator>veryretired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a certain irony in claiming that an increasingly intrusive state is a safeguard against danger to life and limb, given that such a state is the primary danger to human life, limb, and freedom in the world, and always has been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a certain irony in claiming that an increasingly intrusive state is a safeguard against danger to life and limb, given that such a state is the primary danger to human life, limb, and freedom in the world, and always has been.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie G</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273264</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernie G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of the risks we take for granted would have been unacceptable if the current risk adverse regulatory scheme had been in effect years ago. I doubt if we would have aspirin, or insulin, or cars running around carrying enough gasoline to level a city block]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the risks we take for granted would have been unacceptable if the current risk adverse regulatory scheme had been in effect years ago. I doubt if we would have aspirin, or insulin, or cars running around carrying enough gasoline to level a city block</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273236</link>
		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You misunderstand &quot;life.&quot; In this context, it means the career of a sitting legislator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misunderstand &#8220;life.&#8221; In this context, it means the career of a sitting legislator.</p>
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		<title>By: RogerC</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273193</link>
		<dc:creator>RogerC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One wonders if that&#039;s their purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders if that&#8217;s their purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2013/01/16224/#comment-273157</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The principles (if one can call them &quot;principles&quot;) that modern regulation is based upon, would have prevented every advance in human history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The principles (if one can call them &#8220;principles&#8221;) that modern regulation is based upon, would have prevented every advance in human history.</p>
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