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		<title>By: stephen ottridge</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-265418</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen ottridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The swastika is a happy symbol perverted by the Nazis in World War II.  The swastika, from the Sanskrit for &quot;good luck&quot;, is as ancient as the sea.  The symbol has been found from Scandinavia to Africa to North America and Asia.  It was the symbol of the Aryans, a race that included Romans, Greeks, Tuetons and Slavs, to name but a few.  Buddhists regarded it as a chakra or wheel of the law; the Tibetans called it Yun-drun or path of life.

In 1904, Jim and Bill Dusty, two rugged freelance prospectors, took a contract from a group of investors to locate a silver mine in an area known to hold gold.  They found no silver but in 1907 they staked out the Swastika Gold Mine.  In 1908, the town was incorporated as Swastika.  The Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway established a watering station near the town and miners and prospectors flooded into the area.  In 1909 a new mine, called Lucky Cross (after the good luck symbol of the swastika), adjacent to the T&amp;NO railway tracks began producing gold.  By 1911, the town consisted of hotels, stores and schools.  The little town flourished.

In 1935, the raise of Nazism in Germany created a major problem for the few hundred people of Swastika.  As war loomed and then exploded in Europe the Ontario government decided that German sounding names should not exist in Ontario, regardless of the origins of the names or the peoples of the towns or area.  Berlin, Ontario was changed to Kitchener and Swastika was changed to Winston.  While the name change stuck in Kitchener, the townsfolk of Swastika were not amused.  They tore down the Winston sign and replaced it with a restored Swastika sign (good for them!) and another sign which read, &quot;To hell with Hitler, we came up with our name first&quot; 

If you are looking for Swastika, Ontario, just go north on Highway 11 from North Bay to Highway 66.  Turn right towards Kirkland lake and look for the sign of good luck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The swastika is a happy symbol perverted by the Nazis in World War II.  The swastika, from the Sanskrit for &#8220;good luck&#8221;, is as ancient as the sea.  The symbol has been found from Scandinavia to Africa to North America and Asia.  It was the symbol of the Aryans, a race that included Romans, Greeks, Tuetons and Slavs, to name but a few.  Buddhists regarded it as a chakra or wheel of the law; the Tibetans called it Yun-drun or path of life.</p>
<p>In 1904, Jim and Bill Dusty, two rugged freelance prospectors, took a contract from a group of investors to locate a silver mine in an area known to hold gold.  They found no silver but in 1907 they staked out the Swastika Gold Mine.  In 1908, the town was incorporated as Swastika.  The Temiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway established a watering station near the town and miners and prospectors flooded into the area.  In 1909 a new mine, called Lucky Cross (after the good luck symbol of the swastika), adjacent to the T&amp;NO railway tracks began producing gold.  By 1911, the town consisted of hotels, stores and schools.  The little town flourished.</p>
<p>In 1935, the raise of Nazism in Germany created a major problem for the few hundred people of Swastika.  As war loomed and then exploded in Europe the Ontario government decided that German sounding names should not exist in Ontario, regardless of the origins of the names or the peoples of the towns or area.  Berlin, Ontario was changed to Kitchener and Swastika was changed to Winston.  While the name change stuck in Kitchener, the townsfolk of Swastika were not amused.  They tore down the Winston sign and replaced it with a restored Swastika sign (good for them!) and another sign which read, &#8220;To hell with Hitler, we came up with our name first&#8221; </p>
<p>If you are looking for Swastika, Ontario, just go north on Highway 11 from North Bay to Highway 66.  Turn right towards Kirkland lake and look for the sign of good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-259824</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Dale.

Which leftists used in one of their liefests.

&quot;Look the Finns are Nazis - they even have.....&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Dale.</p>
<p>Which leftists used in one of their liefests.</p>
<p>&#8220;Look the Finns are Nazis &#8211; they even have&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Julie near Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-249454</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie near Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harry Powell:  ixquick.com, type  &lt;em&gt;fylfot&lt;/em&gt;  into the search box, examine the  &gt;3900 results.  For instance, one page is on the fylfot in the symbology of Freemasonry.  You might not get a dissertation for the doctorate in cultural anthropology out of it, but you can pick up quite a bit.  :&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry Powell:  ixquick.com, type  <em>fylfot</em>  into the search box, examine the  &gt;3900 results.  For instance, one page is on the fylfot in the symbology of Freemasonry.  You might not get a dissertation for the doctorate in cultural anthropology out of it, but you can pick up quite a bit.  :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: Runcie Balspune</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-248914</link>
		<dc:creator>Runcie Balspune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;It’s an interesting example of how we’ve anathematized a symbol, that simply stood for good luck. Just another entry on why the Nazis were so vile.&lt;/em&gt;

Similarly with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fasces&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s an interesting example of how we’ve anathematized a symbol, that simply stood for good luck. Just another entry on why the Nazis were so vile.</em></p>
<p>Similarly with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces" rel="nofollow">Fasces</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Powell</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-248864</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WWI German Jewish air ace Fritz Beckhardt had a swastika on his plane. A very popular symbol before the Great War, maybe a fin de siecle hippy hangover? It would be interesting if a cultural historian would tell us what the swastika meant to europeans &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; the Nazis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWI German Jewish air ace Fritz Beckhardt had a swastika on his plane. A very popular symbol before the Great War, maybe a fin de siecle hippy hangover? It would be interesting if a cultural historian would tell us what the swastika meant to europeans <em>before</em> the Nazis.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Amon</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-247945</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Amon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the Nazi&#039;s also reversed the symbol. The original direction was the national marking on aircraft in Finland up through WWII]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Nazi&#8217;s also reversed the symbol. The original direction was the national marking on aircraft in Finland up through WWII</p>
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		<title>By: Julie near Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-246301</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie near Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually the swastika is one of the variations of a design often (but not as a matter of definition) called the &lt;em&gt;fylfot&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;fylfot cross&lt;/em&gt;, which, per the OED, &lt;blockquote&gt;has been extensively used as a decoration (often, apparently, as a mystical symbol) in almost all known parts of the world from prehistoric times to the present day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

The Greek gammadion, Nazi hakenkreuz (the familiar version of the swastika), and cross cramponnée are all varieties of the device.


----The foregoing is taken from the source (checked against my print edition, 1970&#039;s printing, of the Compact OED--and the whole thing is interesting) at

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heraldica.org/topics/swastika.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.heraldica.org/topics/swastika.htm &lt;/a&gt;

.  .  .

There are many photos from, mostly, the First Millenium A.D., at 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.odinsvolk.ca/fylfot.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.odinsvolk.ca/fylfot.htm&lt;/a&gt;:



Examples are from the Isle of Man, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Egypt, Sutton Hoo, and elsewhere.  Notice that the arms twist sometimes to the right, sometimes to the left--although as Wikipedia observes, you can read the bend or break either way, depending on how your mind works.  A rock carving in which the device swirls, rather than breaking, to the left, is labelled as an artifact from Sweden dating from 4,000 B.C..

.  .  .

Ixquick Search (thanks, Laird!) for &quot;fylfot&quot; gives over 3900 results, some interesting and giving still more names for the design, e.g. the &quot;Jaina Cross.&quot; And, of course, there&#039;s always the Foot of All Knowledge *g*:

&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
&lt;/a&gt;


.  .  .

It&#039;s amazing what y&#039;all would learn if you dumped all this philosophy/economics/history/politics nonsense and took up needlepoint--which is how I came across the fylfot.  ;&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the swastika is one of the variations of a design often (but not as a matter of definition) called the <em>fylfot</em> or <em>fylfot cross</em>, which, per the OED,<br />
<blockquote>has been extensively used as a decoration (often, apparently, as a mystical symbol) in almost all known parts of the world from prehistoric times to the present day.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Greek gammadion, Nazi hakenkreuz (the familiar version of the swastika), and cross cramponnée are all varieties of the device.</p>
<p>&#8212;-The foregoing is taken from the source (checked against my print edition, 1970&#8242;s printing, of the Compact OED&#8211;and the whole thing is interesting) at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldica.org/topics/swastika.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.heraldica.org/topics/swastika.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldica.org/topics/swastika.htm</a> </p>
<p>.  .  .</p>
<p>There are many photos from, mostly, the First Millenium A.D., at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.odinsvolk.ca/fylfot.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.odinsvolk.ca/fylfot.htm</a>:</p>
<p>Examples are from the Isle of Man, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Egypt, Sutton Hoo, and elsewhere.  Notice that the arms twist sometimes to the right, sometimes to the left&#8211;although as Wikipedia observes, you can read the bend or break either way, depending on how your mind works.  A rock carving in which the device swirls, rather than breaking, to the left, is labelled as an artifact from Sweden dating from 4,000 B.C..</p>
<p>.  .  .</p>
<p>Ixquick Search (thanks, Laird!) for &#8220;fylfot&#8221; gives over 3900 results, some interesting and giving still more names for the design, e.g. the &#8220;Jaina Cross.&#8221; And, of course, there&#8217;s always the Foot of All Knowledge *g*:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika</a></p>
<p>.  .  .</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing what y&#8217;all would learn if you dumped all this philosophy/economics/history/politics nonsense and took up needlepoint&#8211;which is how I came across the fylfot.  ;&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-246217</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael: in the US it is common to refer to a Social Security number as &#039;SS Number&#039;. It is done mostly in speech and I don&#039;t think you&#039;d see it actually printed that way (you will see it printed as SSN though). But if you google &#039;ss number&#039;, you&#039;ll get hits with &#039;Social Security number&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: in the US it is common to refer to a Social Security number as &#8216;SS Number&#8217;. It is done mostly in speech and I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d see it actually printed that way (you will see it printed as SSN though). But if you google &#8216;ss number&#8217;, you&#8217;ll get hits with &#8216;Social Security number&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Crozier</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-246129</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Crozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I put this up I had rather thought this would have you all rolling on the floor laughing.  &quot;Look at those silly advertisers - what a bunch of Nazis!  Ha, ha!  But no.  Instead, all I get is informed, intelligent comment.

Damn you Samizdata Commentariat!  Damn you with your facts and reasoning!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I put this up I had rather thought this would have you all rolling on the floor laughing.  &#8220;Look at those silly advertisers &#8211; what a bunch of Nazis!  Ha, ha!  But no.  Instead, all I get is informed, intelligent comment.</p>
<p>Damn you Samizdata Commentariat!  Damn you with your facts and reasoning!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Crozier</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-246068</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Crozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder when that was published.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder when that was published.</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-245999</link>
		<dc:creator>David C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The interesting thing here is the incredible success of the opponents of the Nazis who have turned its badges into enduring symbols of evil.  MPs are chastised for being at private parties with people bearing those symbols, even when worn in jest.  Would that we could make that other badge of tyranny, the hammer and sickle, carry its equivalent burden of shame and evil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing here is the incredible success of the opponents of the Nazis who have turned its badges into enduring symbols of evil.  MPs are chastised for being at private parties with people bearing those symbols, even when worn in jest.  Would that we could make that other badge of tyranny, the hammer and sickle, carry its equivalent burden of shame and evil.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewWS</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/truth-in-advertising/#comment-245823</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IIRC, when the swastika is at the angle shown, it is an emblem of light. Hitler turned it through 45 degrees and made it a symbol of darkness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, when the swastika is at the angle shown, it is an emblem of light. Hitler turned it through 45 degrees and made it a symbol of darkness.</p>
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