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		<title>By: Tim McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-265368</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the issue here. We are just talking about a few reasonable restrictions on the freedom of the press in the interest of public safety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the issue here. We are just talking about a few reasonable restrictions on the freedom of the press in the interest of public safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-265030</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TO: All
RE: Hayek Rules!

&lt;i&gt;Everything which might cause doubt about the wisdom of the government or create discontent will be kept from the people. The basis of unfavorable comparisons with elsewhere, the knowledge of possible alternatives to the course actually taken, information which might suggest failure on the part of the government to live up to its promises or to take advantage of opportunities to improve conditions–all will be suppressed. There is consequently no field where the systematic control of information will not be practiced and uniformity of views not enforced.&lt;/i&gt; -- A.F. Hayek

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There is no such thing as an independent press. -- John Swinton, Editor in Chief, New York Times, &#039;53.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: All<br />
RE: Hayek Rules!</p>
<p><i>Everything which might cause doubt about the wisdom of the government or create discontent will be kept from the people. The basis of unfavorable comparisons with elsewhere, the knowledge of possible alternatives to the course actually taken, information which might suggest failure on the part of the government to live up to its promises or to take advantage of opportunities to improve conditions–all will be suppressed. There is consequently no field where the systematic control of information will not be practiced and uniformity of views not enforced.</i> &#8212; A.F. Hayek</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[There is no such thing as an independent press. -- John Swinton, Editor in Chief, New York Times, '53.]</p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfarst</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-247318</link>
		<dc:creator>Slartibartfarst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Darryl:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, and I would too under the circumstances - usually.
But the potential for the rather unkind joke (if you can see it) could be almost too enticing in such circumstances as this.
Mind you, if it caused her to go and hang herself or something, as seems to be in the news lately, then you might end up in the stocks. Some people can be quite highly strung.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Darryl:</strong> Yes, and I would too under the circumstances &#8211; usually.<br />
But the potential for the rather unkind joke (if you can see it) could be almost too enticing in such circumstances as this.<br />
Mind you, if it caused her to go and hang herself or something, as seems to be in the news lately, then you might end up in the stocks. Some people can be quite highly strung.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-246881</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 05:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this case, I am attributing to Malice, that which can be explained by mere Stupidity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case, I am attributing to Malice, that which can be explained by mere Stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfarst</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-243185</link>
		<dc:creator>Slartibartfarst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Natalie Solent:&lt;/strong&gt;
Interesting, post - thanks. But for you, I would probably not have read/known about the excellent article by Iain Martin at the Telegraph.
But what a hoot about Joanna Hindley, Mrs Miller&#039;s &quot;spad&quot; (special adviser). What the spad said would seem to be:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Pretty stupid, even for a political hack. (Quoting @Laird&#039;s comment.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
- and other comments seem to suggest the same.

But supposing (just supposing) that the comment was, on the contrary, deliberate, calculated and very smart. What might that achieve?
It could achieve what seems to have been achieved in this case - i.e, the provision of &lt;strong&gt;exactly&lt;/strong&gt; the kind of example that was necessary to illustrate the corruption and erosion of freedom you can get by giving the State control over &quot;press freedoms&quot;. &lt;strong&gt;It probably couldn&#039;t have been better-timed if it had been planned.&lt;/strong&gt;
So, rather than pillory the spad (Joanna Hindley), let&#039;s hold her high with a &quot;Well done!&quot;  - regardless of whether she said what she said out of stupidity or cleverness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Natalie Solent:</strong><br />
Interesting, post &#8211; thanks. But for you, I would probably not have read/known about the excellent article by Iain Martin at the Telegraph.<br />
But what a hoot about Joanna Hindley, Mrs Miller&#8217;s &#8220;spad&#8221; (special adviser). What the spad said would seem to be:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pretty stupid, even for a political hack. (Quoting @Laird&#8217;s comment.)</p></blockquote>
<p>- and other comments seem to suggest the same.</p>
<p>But supposing (just supposing) that the comment was, on the contrary, deliberate, calculated and very smart. What might that achieve?<br />
It could achieve what seems to have been achieved in this case &#8211; i.e, the provision of <strong>exactly</strong> the kind of example that was necessary to illustrate the corruption and erosion of freedom you can get by giving the State control over &#8220;press freedoms&#8221;. <strong>It probably couldn&#8217;t have been better-timed if it had been planned.</strong><br />
So, rather than pillory the spad (Joanna Hindley), let&#8217;s hold her high with a &#8220;Well done!&#8221;  &#8211; regardless of whether she said what she said out of stupidity or cleverness.</p>
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		<title>By: Miv Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-242934</link>
		<dc:creator>Miv Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The price of vigilance is eternal freedom - I cannot be vigilant if I am not free. And this applies no less to the press than the individual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price of vigilance is eternal freedom &#8211; I cannot be vigilant if I am not free. And this applies no less to the press than the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-242814</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh I see, the same URL. Good luck:-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see, the same URL. Good luck:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-242782</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yes.

So is this the new URL, final?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes.</p>
<p>So is this the new URL, final?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-242616</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regrettably so - when Perry wrote &quot;As of this Thursday, Samizdata will temporarily stop updating&quot; he wasn&#039;t kidding - the database was snapshotted at 0830UK, the transition finished by 1800UK on thursday, but migration of the DNS hostname took another 6 or 7 hours.  I tried to copy some of them but it wasn&#039;t feasible after hours got late and there were other things I needed to do.

Hopefully the impact is not too big, and the better technology / lack of &#039;smiting&#039; should make up for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regrettably so &#8211; when Perry wrote &#8220;As of this Thursday, Samizdata will temporarily stop updating&#8221; he wasn&#8217;t kidding &#8211; the database was snapshotted at 0830UK, the transition finished by 1800UK on thursday, but migration of the DNS hostname took another 6 or 7 hours.  I tried to copy some of them but it wasn&#8217;t feasible after hours got late and there were other things I needed to do.</p>
<p>Hopefully the impact is not too big, and the better technology / lack of &#8216;smiting&#8217; should make up for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/nice-job-you-ha/#comment-241791</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On behalf of Reconstruct:

I happened to hear the treatment of this on Radio 4&#039;s PM last night. The treatment was exactly what you&#039;d expect - it&#039;s all a bit of a laugh really, and absolutely nothing anyone could possibly find alarming.

Given that this treatment was decided by BBC &#039;journalists&#039;, we must assume that they&#039;d find it merely a bit of a laugh if ministers tried to lean on them like that over their reporting?

Of course they wouldn&#039;t - they&#039;d be second to none in their self-righteous disapproval. But of course, since it runs so totally against the &#039;narrative&#039; they&#039;re running on Leveson, it has to be merely laughed off. Can&#039;t think of this as anything but deeply, deeply corrupt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On behalf of Reconstruct:</p>
<p>I happened to hear the treatment of this on Radio 4&#8242;s PM last night. The treatment was exactly what you&#8217;d expect &#8211; it&#8217;s all a bit of a laugh really, and absolutely nothing anyone could possibly find alarming.</p>
<p>Given that this treatment was decided by BBC &#8216;journalists&#8217;, we must assume that they&#8217;d find it merely a bit of a laugh if ministers tried to lean on them like that over their reporting?</p>
<p>Of course they wouldn&#8217;t &#8211; they&#8217;d be second to none in their self-righteous disapproval. But of course, since it runs so totally against the &#8216;narrative&#8217; they&#8217;re running on Leveson, it has to be merely laughed off. Can&#8217;t think of this as anything but deeply, deeply corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On behalf of Johnathan Pearce:

bgates is right. As I said the other day - to guffaws of disblief from the usual Eyeores - libertarians should use the Leveson episode as a teachable moment to point out to journalists the downsides of regulation. Call me naive if you want, but ideas tend to advance through two things: having better ideas than the other side; and appeal to self interest.

Journalists now have a strong self interest in supporting 
a free media, more so than ever before. Sure, some Big Media types might want to shaft small competitors through red tape, but as MSM business models corrode and the internet continues its extraordinary impact, this argument loses force. Now is the time to press hard in favour of &quot;citizen journalism&quot;; to chip away at the conceit of the established media, to encourage new business models, etc. If we don&#039;t seize the opportunity now, it might not be repeated for years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On behalf of Johnathan Pearce:</p>
<p>bgates is right. As I said the other day &#8211; to guffaws of disblief from the usual Eyeores &#8211; libertarians should use the Leveson episode as a teachable moment to point out to journalists the downsides of regulation. Call me naive if you want, but ideas tend to advance through two things: having better ideas than the other side; and appeal to self interest.</p>
<p>Journalists now have a strong self interest in supporting<br />
a free media, more so than ever before. Sure, some Big Media types might want to shaft small competitors through red tape, but as MSM business models corrode and the internet continues its extraordinary impact, this argument loses force. Now is the time to press hard in favour of &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221;; to chip away at the conceit of the established media, to encourage new business models, etc. If we don&#8217;t seize the opportunity now, it might not be repeated for years.</p>
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