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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265444</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.

Nulification (and everything else in relation to liberty) depends on the culture - on what people actually believe (what their PRINCIPLES are).

This is why the left, including the &quot;libertarian left&quot;, spend so much trying to pervent the culture - trying, for example, to make people hate &quot;the rich&quot;.

If most people are no good (filled with the desire for &quot;social justice&quot; either in its Ialamic form or in some secular form) then liberty falls.

And, of course, the chaos of the &quot;Black Flag&quot; people is, in the end, just as collectivist (mob collectivist) as the open collectivism of their allies (allies in the &quot;Occupy&quot; movement, in the teachers unions, and so on) the Red Flag Marxists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>Nulification (and everything else in relation to liberty) depends on the culture &#8211; on what people actually believe (what their PRINCIPLES are).</p>
<p>This is why the left, including the &#8220;libertarian left&#8221;, spend so much trying to pervent the culture &#8211; trying, for example, to make people hate &#8220;the rich&#8221;.</p>
<p>If most people are no good (filled with the desire for &#8220;social justice&#8221; either in its Ialamic form or in some secular form) then liberty falls.</p>
<p>And, of course, the chaos of the &#8220;Black Flag&#8221; people is, in the end, just as collectivist (mob collectivist) as the open collectivism of their allies (allies in the &#8220;Occupy&#8221; movement, in the teachers unions, and so on) the Red Flag Marxists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamess</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265421</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laird: I&#039;m not sure how withholding income taxes would work, but I&#039;m sure that if a state started to get a reputation for never prosecuting those who withhold federal income tax people would work out a way to make it work.

Apart from nullification (done either publicly or on the sly) juries need to know that they&#039;re not just making a decision on whether a person is guilty according to the law, they are also making a judgement on the law itself.  If every jury knew that &#039;not guilty&#039; meant either the accused didn&#039;t do the crime or the law is invalid we&#039;d be in a much better state (assuming of course most people shared a common assessment on what&#039;s right and wrong - we&#039;d be in trouble if &#039;honour&#039; killings weren&#039;t considered to be anything wrong)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laird: I&#8217;m not sure how withholding income taxes would work, but I&#8217;m sure that if a state started to get a reputation for never prosecuting those who withhold federal income tax people would work out a way to make it work.</p>
<p>Apart from nullification (done either publicly or on the sly) juries need to know that they&#8217;re not just making a decision on whether a person is guilty according to the law, they are also making a judgement on the law itself.  If every jury knew that &#8216;not guilty&#8217; meant either the accused didn&#8217;t do the crime or the law is invalid we&#8217;d be in a much better state (assuming of course most people shared a common assessment on what&#8217;s right and wrong &#8211; we&#8217;d be in trouble if &#8216;honour&#8217; killings weren&#8217;t considered to be anything wrong)</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265257</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a very racist thing to say, Paul.

As to a governor telling his citizens not to pay their taxes to the federal government, I&#039;ve thought about that before, but the problem is that most personal income taxes are paid via employer withholding. And no company which is not wholly within that state is going to risk ignoring the federal tax laws at the direction of a mere governor. At best you&#039;d get only the self-employed who have to pay their taxes directly. Too bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very racist thing to say, Paul.</p>
<p>As to a governor telling his citizens not to pay their taxes to the federal government, I&#8217;ve thought about that before, but the problem is that most personal income taxes are paid via employer withholding. And no company which is not wholly within that state is going to risk ignoring the federal tax laws at the direction of a mere governor. At best you&#8217;d get only the self-employed who have to pay their taxes directly. Too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265206</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course secession was also (first) a Northern thing.

The threats in the New England States during the war of 1812.

So hardly &quot;racist&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course secession was also (first) a Northern thing.</p>
<p>The threats in the New England States during the war of 1812.</p>
<p>So hardly &#8220;racist&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265205</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jamess

Nulification.

The left would scream &quot;neoconfederate&quot; and &quot;racist&quot;.

Even though (as Thomas Woods points out) &quot;nulification&quot; was developed in Northern States and used as a basis not to enforce fugitive slave laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamess</p>
<p>Nulification.</p>
<p>The left would scream &#8220;neoconfederate&#8221; and &#8220;racist&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even though (as Thomas Woods points out) &#8220;nulification&#8221; was developed in Northern States and used as a basis not to enforce fugitive slave laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265202</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be serious.

It is not a desire to help people that is wrong - it is how one does it.

For example Octavia Hill spent her life helping people - but was a great FOE of government intervention (and for very good reasons).

And it was her compassion (her &quot;mother&#039;s instict&quot;) that led to Mrs Webb actually having some DOUBTS about the Soviets when reports of mass murder (in Poland in 1939-40) reached her - it was her husband, S. Webb, who convinced her that sacrifices must be made for socialism.....

We men are good at abstraction - at turning other humans into &quot;its&quot;, targets to be destroyed (for the greater good - of course).

And I am certainly no exception to that rule.

I just, I hope, have the correct targets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be serious.</p>
<p>It is not a desire to help people that is wrong &#8211; it is how one does it.</p>
<p>For example Octavia Hill spent her life helping people &#8211; but was a great FOE of government intervention (and for very good reasons).</p>
<p>And it was her compassion (her &#8220;mother&#8217;s instict&#8221;) that led to Mrs Webb actually having some DOUBTS about the Soviets when reports of mass murder (in Poland in 1939-40) reached her &#8211; it was her husband, S. Webb, who convinced her that sacrifices must be made for socialism&#8230;..</p>
<p>We men are good at abstraction &#8211; at turning other humans into &#8220;its&#8221;, targets to be destroyed (for the greater good &#8211; of course).</p>
<p>And I am certainly no exception to that rule.</p>
<p>I just, I hope, have the correct targets.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265199</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yes.

Those terrible collectivists - I. Patterson, Rose Wilder Lane, Ayn Rand.....

And those well known women - Richard Ely, &quot;Teddy&quot; Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson......

It is the fault of the women.

I could have told that great man M. Thatcher when I met &quot;him&quot; years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes.</p>
<p>Those terrible collectivists &#8211; I. Patterson, Rose Wilder Lane, Ayn Rand&#8230;..</p>
<p>And those well known women &#8211; Richard Ely, &#8220;Teddy&#8221; Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>It is the fault of the women.</p>
<p>I could have told that great man M. Thatcher when I met &#8220;him&#8221; years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265161</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Frankly ( and yes, I’ll take heat for this but I don’t care ) I blame a LOT of it on women with their built-in mothering / protective mind set.&lt;/blockquote&gt; I&#039;ll save the heat for after your current bout of PMS;-P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Frankly ( and yes, I’ll take heat for this but I don’t care ) I blame a LOT of it on women with their built-in mothering / protective mind set.</p></blockquote>
<p> I&#8217;ll save the heat for after your current bout of PMS;-P</p>
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		<title>By: Jamess</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-265153</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about instead of succeeding some governor told the police to stop enforcing any unconstitutional federal law and encouraged the citizens to stop paying federal taxes.  It would take a very brave governor to do so (or a very clever one to get the things to happen without actually saying publicly those things).  If the governor has made an oath to uphold the constitution that&#039;s what he should do - even if he&#039;s upholding it against the abuse of the federal government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about instead of succeeding some governor told the police to stop enforcing any unconstitutional federal law and encouraged the citizens to stop paying federal taxes.  It would take a very brave governor to do so (or a very clever one to get the things to happen without actually saying publicly those things).  If the governor has made an oath to uphold the constitution that&#8217;s what he should do &#8211; even if he&#8217;s upholding it against the abuse of the federal government.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 02:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, not being a Texan I don&#039;t think I get a vote on that. But if I did I&#039;d say, &quot;Y&#039;all come on down!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not being a Texan I don&#8217;t think I get a vote on that. But if I did I&#8217;d say, &#8220;Y&#8217;all come on down!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-263843</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we Brits join you? There were a fair number of us at the Alamo you know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we Brits join you? There were a fair number of us at the Alamo you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/12/15474/#comment-263420</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with John. I&#039;ve spent some time in Texas but never actually lived there (came close; long story), but if they seceded I would definitely give it a hard look.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with John. I&#8217;ve spent some time in Texas but never actually lived there (came close; long story), but if they seceded I would definitely give it a hard look.</p>
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