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	<title>Comments on: Unofficial London Underground signs</title>
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		<title>By: NickM</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238766</link>
		<dc:creator>NickM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Round where I live - Manchester-ish - there has been a huge crop of stickers on bins for the &quot;Ralphie Milne Ultras&quot;

(Ralphie Milne played for Manchester United and is widely seen as having been Ferguson&#039;s worst signing ever).

These have now been added to by a crop of &quot;Viva Ken Barlow!&quot; stickers and across Paris (I was there recently) it&#039;s &quot;Dolphin&#039;s rape perople&quot;. Stickers seem to be the new Facebook.

Or something. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Round where I live &#8211; Manchester-ish &#8211; there has been a huge crop of stickers on bins for the &#8220;Ralphie Milne Ultras&#8221;</p>
<p>(Ralphie Milne played for Manchester United and is widely seen as having been Ferguson&#8217;s worst signing ever).</p>
<p>These have now been added to by a crop of &#8220;Viva Ken Barlow!&#8221; stickers and across Paris (I was there recently) it&#8217;s &#8220;Dolphin&#8217;s rape perople&#8221;. Stickers seem to be the new Facebook.</p>
<p>Or something. </p>
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		<title>By: veryretired</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238765</link>
		<dc:creator>veryretired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our local transit corruption is getting another leg of their multi-billion dollar boondoggle ready to open next year, so I&#039;d love to get a copy of that one about the giant sloth.

I&#039;d ride it once just to put it up, sniffing from all the purists notwithstanding. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our local transit corruption is getting another leg of their multi-billion dollar boondoggle ready to open next year, so I&#8217;d love to get a copy of that one about the giant sloth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ride it once just to put it up, sniffing from all the purists notwithstanding. </p>
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		<title>By: Dale Amon</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238764</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Amon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a friend of mine said: &quot;Every joke is a tiny revolution.&quot;  Make no mistake. We are revolutionaries, out to overthrow the socialist establishment with humour, disrespect and disobedience.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a friend of mine said: &#8220;Every joke is a tiny revolution.&#8221;  Make no mistake. We are revolutionaries, out to overthrow the socialist establishment with humour, disrespect and disobedience.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238763</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my book, &quot;being pretentious in lieu of actually doing things&quot; is a fine, and perhaps the highest and best, use of political talent. More, please!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my book, &#8220;being pretentious in lieu of actually doing things&#8221; is a fine, and perhaps the highest and best, use of political talent. More, please!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jennings</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238762</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;When (and why) did London Transport become Transport for London?&lt;/em&gt;

When the Greater London Authority was created by the Blair Government (with its directly elected Mayor, first Ken Livingstone and subsequently Boris Johnson), a new body called &quot;Transport for London&quot; was created under the powers of the new London government to run transport in the city. The previous body was actually London Regional Transport (LRT), which was run directly by the national government, and had been since 1984, when Mrs Thatcher took responsibility for transport away from the Greater London Council . There was never actually an organisation called &quot;London Transport&quot;, but the London Transport brand was used by LRT and a whole series of predecessor organisations since 1933. There was no reason whatsoever why TfL could not continue using the &quot;London Transport&quot; brand, other than that Ken Livingstone felt the need to be pretentious. The Mayor of London and the greater London government didn&#039;t (and doesn&#039;t) actually have much power over anything, so it is reduced to being pretentious in lieu of actually doing things. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>When (and why) did London Transport become Transport for London?</em></p>
<p>When the Greater London Authority was created by the Blair Government (with its directly elected Mayor, first Ken Livingstone and subsequently Boris Johnson), a new body called &#8220;Transport for London&#8221; was created under the powers of the new London government to run transport in the city. The previous body was actually London Regional Transport (LRT), which was run directly by the national government, and had been since 1984, when Mrs Thatcher took responsibility for transport away from the Greater London Council . There was never actually an organisation called &#8220;London Transport&#8221;, but the London Transport brand was used by LRT and a whole series of predecessor organisations since 1933. There was no reason whatsoever why TfL could not continue using the &#8220;London Transport&#8221; brand, other than that Ken Livingstone felt the need to be pretentious. The Mayor of London and the greater London government didn&#8217;t (and doesn&#8217;t) actually have much power over anything, so it is reduced to being pretentious in lieu of actually doing things. </p>
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		<title>By: The last toryboy</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238761</link>
		<dc:creator>The last toryboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old Holborn must be involved somehow, given the Fawkes over Holborn!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Holborn must be involved somehow, given the Fawkes over Holborn!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238760</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RobF : &quot;even private property owners should have a sense of humour&quot;

Sure. But some people don&#039;t have much of a sense of humour. And they&#039;re entitled to enjoy their property and their liberty nonetheless. By all means poke fun at anyone you like, but leave their stuff, and their persons, alone. 

And even people who do have a sense of humour will find that it fails them when someone else&#039;s joke puts them to trouble and inconvenience. 

RobF : &quot;In the case of London Underground, unravelling any sensible notion of property just seems too difficult and uninteresting a problem.&quot;

No. Unravelling a sensible notion of property is easy. The property belongs to Transport for London. Government property is still property and there are very good reasons for treating government property with the same respect as private property - society does not benefit from the theft and vandlisation of government property. Certainly it&#039;s harder to see whose (ie which humans&#039;) moral rights are being abused, to any significant extent, in the case of theft or vandalisation of government property, but from a practical point of view, a relaxed view about government property leads directly to the tragedy of the commons.

Rob F : &quot;It is really the nagging signs that need fun poked at them&quot;

Poke away. With your stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobF : &#8220;even private property owners should have a sense of humour&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure. But some people don&#8217;t have much of a sense of humour. And they&#8217;re entitled to enjoy their property and their liberty nonetheless. By all means poke fun at anyone you like, but leave their stuff, and their persons, alone. </p>
<p>And even people who do have a sense of humour will find that it fails them when someone else&#8217;s joke puts them to trouble and inconvenience. </p>
<p>RobF : &#8220;In the case of London Underground, unravelling any sensible notion of property just seems too difficult and uninteresting a problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. Unravelling a sensible notion of property is easy. The property belongs to Transport for London. Government property is still property and there are very good reasons for treating government property with the same respect as private property &#8211; society does not benefit from the theft and vandlisation of government property. Certainly it&#8217;s harder to see whose (ie which humans&#8217;) moral rights are being abused, to any significant extent, in the case of theft or vandalisation of government property, but from a practical point of view, a relaxed view about government property leads directly to the tragedy of the commons.</p>
<p>Rob F : &#8220;It is really the nagging signs that need fun poked at them&#8221;</p>
<p>Poke away. With your stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238759</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee does have a point, but I&#039;d enthusiastically volunteer my own London property, if I had any (sigh). These things are indeed brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee does have a point, but I&#8217;d enthusiastically volunteer my own London property, if I had any (sigh). These things are indeed brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238758</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, they look to me like real stickers stuck over the existing signs. Perhaps they remove easily, but perhaps not. Lee Moore is correct in principle, at least where real private property is concerned, but even private property owners should have a sense of humour. In the case of London Underground, unravelling any sensible notion of property just seems too difficult and uninteresting a problem.

It is really the nagging signs that need fun poked at them. I&#039;d like to see more of that, specifically. The other day at a train station I heard an computer voice announcement explaining that people should be careful because trains might go past.

Laird -- I can&#039;t even tell if the photographer made the signs or someone else. Perhaps we will never know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, they look to me like real stickers stuck over the existing signs. Perhaps they remove easily, but perhaps not. Lee Moore is correct in principle, at least where real private property is concerned, but even private property owners should have a sense of humour. In the case of London Underground, unravelling any sensible notion of property just seems too difficult and uninteresting a problem.</p>
<p>It is really the nagging signs that need fun poked at them. I&#8217;d like to see more of that, specifically. The other day at a train station I heard an computer voice announcement explaining that people should be careful because trains might go past.</p>
<p>Laird &#8212; I can&#8217;t even tell if the photographer made the signs or someone else. Perhaps we will never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238757</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who makes these signs? They&#039;re brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who makes these signs? They&#8217;re brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238756</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I like about these is the implication that, with such a plethora of warnings, &lt;em&gt;nobody actually reads them&lt;/em&gt;.

Ted, there was a fad in the Blair era for making everything &#8220;for&#8221;: Transport &lt;em&gt;for&lt;/em&gt; London, the Department &lt;em&gt;for&lt;/em&gt; Education, etc. I&#039;m convinced this was primarily so they could use a lower case &#8220;f&#8221; in the initialisations to make them look all foreign and continental because that&#039;s, like, &lt;em&gt;totally&lt;/em&gt; cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like about these is the implication that, with such a plethora of warnings, <em>nobody actually reads them</em>.</p>
<p>Ted, there was a fad in the Blair era for making everything &ldquo;for&rdquo;: Transport <em>for</em> London, the Department <em>for</em> Education, etc. I&#8217;m convinced this was primarily so they could use a lower case &ldquo;f&rdquo; in the initialisations to make them look all foreign and continental because that&#8217;s, like, <em>totally</em> cool.</p>
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		<title>By: RRS</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/10/unofficial-lond/#comment-238755</link>
		<dc:creator>RRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, if you are &quot;dense&quot; please continue to provide us with those digestible slices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, if you are &#8220;dense&#8221; please continue to provide us with those digestible slices.</p>
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