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		<title>By: Dave Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236007</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the one hand, it&#039;s a media scare story.

On the other hand, it&#039;s a proof that, for the apparent US legal definition of &quot;a gun&quot; you *can* print one.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun&lt;/a&gt;

One thing&#039;s for sure, there will be repercussions. I hope they&#039;re not mad ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, it&#8217;s a media scare story.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s a proof that, for the apparent US legal definition of &#8220;a gun&#8221; you *can* print one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun" rel="nofollow">http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133514-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun</a></p>
<p>One thing&#8217;s for sure, there will be repercussions. I hope they&#8217;re not mad ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236006</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like the physical security world just had a twist applied by 3D printing; someone&#039;s manage to replicate handcuff keys using one.

See this article over at the Schneierblog: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/07/making_handcuff.html

My guess is that more classes of key will be getting transponders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the physical security world just had a twist applied by 3D printing; someone&#8217;s manage to replicate handcuff keys using one.</p>
<p>See this article over at the Schneierblog: <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/07/making_handcuff.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/07/making_handcuff.html</a></p>
<p>My guess is that more classes of key will be getting transponders.</p>
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		<title>By: chris strange</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236005</link>
		<dc:creator>chris strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been constructing a (full sized) model of a 12 pounder naval gun using 3d printing for the more complicated parts of the breech. The level of detail is very good, far better than I would have been able to construct by hand methods, although some of the round sections are facetted as an artifact of the 3d software used to construct the digital model. A little sanding soon puts that right since I&#039;m getting them printed in plastic to keep the costs down. I&#039;ve been getting my prints through a french firm called Sculpeteo, has anybody used any other firms that they can recomend so that I can compare prices?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been constructing a (full sized) model of a 12 pounder naval gun using 3d printing for the more complicated parts of the breech. The level of detail is very good, far better than I would have been able to construct by hand methods, although some of the round sections are facetted as an artifact of the 3d software used to construct the digital model. A little sanding soon puts that right since I&#8217;m getting them printed in plastic to keep the costs down. I&#8217;ve been getting my prints through a french firm called Sculpeteo, has anybody used any other firms that they can recomend so that I can compare prices?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236004</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because that one requires money, you have to build it yourself, and it comes with a notable learning curve that&#039;s different from the skillset I have (lots of issues on the help forum).  While I think that&#039;s inevitably the best way to go, I keep a LOT of fires burning at any one time, and can&#039;t just drop everything to focus on a single thing for a week.

Other folks might get a lot more mileage out of the David scanner, but for my personal ROI, I need off-the-shelf solutions that fit a *very* modest salary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because that one requires money, you have to build it yourself, and it comes with a notable learning curve that&#8217;s different from the skillset I have (lots of issues on the help forum).  While I think that&#8217;s inevitably the best way to go, I keep a LOT of fires burning at any one time, and can&#8217;t just drop everything to focus on a single thing for a week.</p>
<p>Other folks might get a lot more mileage out of the David scanner, but for my personal ROI, I need off-the-shelf solutions that fit a *very* modest salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236003</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the updates, Russ. This is very interesting. Just a thought: instead of modelling, why not &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.david-laserscanner.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;scan the artefacts&lt;/a&gt; ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the updates, Russ. This is very interesting. Just a thought: instead of modelling, why not <a href="http://www.david-laserscanner.com" rel="nofollow">scan the artefacts</a> ?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236002</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You folks, if you&#039;re interested here and aren&#039;t a pro, need to check out tinkerCAD.

I saw a link to it and tried it out on a lark.  WAY toned-down compared to 3dsMax or Blender (what I have experience with), let alone real CAD programs like LLama and folks use.  But by that token, very fast to use -- fast enough that I did a half-dozen models in roughout, which I then took to 3ds for polishing prior to kicking out models.

Currently have &quot;options&quot; for the 3dspainting, and a guy with a 5-axis waterjet who&#039;ll look into cutting costs on that front, too.  

I&#039;ll keep you updated -- while 3d printing may be a huuuuuge thing, I suspect that tools putting 3d modelling within reach of Clueless Liberal Arts Grads like myself may be the real enabling factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks, if you&#8217;re interested here and aren&#8217;t a pro, need to check out tinkerCAD.</p>
<p>I saw a link to it and tried it out on a lark.  WAY toned-down compared to 3dsMax or Blender (what I have experience with), let alone real CAD programs like LLama and folks use.  But by that token, very fast to use &#8212; fast enough that I did a half-dozen models in roughout, which I then took to 3ds for polishing prior to kicking out models.</p>
<p>Currently have &#8220;options&#8221; for the 3dspainting, and a guy with a 5-axis waterjet who&#8217;ll look into cutting costs on that front, too.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep you updated &#8212; while 3d printing may be a huuuuuge thing, I suspect that tools putting 3d modelling within reach of Clueless Liberal Arts Grads like myself may be the real enabling factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236001</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Llamas, Tedd:  thanks.

Down the road, if it were done in an institution with a large artifact base, Tedd, I think you&#039;re dead on the money.  In my case, as an experimental archaeologist, I take the replicas and do ugly tests with them to try to answer historical questions (think Mythbusters, but academically rigorous rather than built-for-entertainment).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Llamas, Tedd:  thanks.</p>
<p>Down the road, if it were done in an institution with a large artifact base, Tedd, I think you&#8217;re dead on the money.  In my case, as an experimental archaeologist, I take the replicas and do ugly tests with them to try to answer historical questions (think Mythbusters, but academically rigorous rather than built-for-entertainment).</p>
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		<title>By: Tedd</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-236000</link>
		<dc:creator>Tedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to reply to Russ, but llamas seems to have covered it pretty well.  One additional thought, though:  it may be that 3D scanning technology reaches your cost and resolution targets before 3D printing does.  Even if you can&#039;t yet produce physical replicas of sufficient quality, if you have an inventory of items you want to one day replicate you may be able to start on scanning them and storing the data.

I don&#039;t know anything about your field, but it&#039;s possible that the scanned data might be useful to you in other ways, too.  Perhaps you can categorize items by dimensions or physical features?  Engineering experience has been that 3D models revolutionize the design process by becoming a database of all engineering information about the component, and the set of all models becomes a meta database for the entire product line.  It&#039;s possible that the scanned models may be more valuable than the replicas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to reply to Russ, but llamas seems to have covered it pretty well.  One additional thought, though:  it may be that 3D scanning technology reaches your cost and resolution targets before 3D printing does.  Even if you can&#8217;t yet produce physical replicas of sufficient quality, if you have an inventory of items you want to one day replicate you may be able to start on scanning them and storing the data.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about your field, but it&#8217;s possible that the scanned data might be useful to you in other ways, too.  Perhaps you can categorize items by dimensions or physical features?  Engineering experience has been that 3D models revolutionize the design process by becoming a database of all engineering information about the component, and the set of all models becomes a meta database for the entire product line.  It&#8217;s possible that the scanned models may be more valuable than the replicas.</p>
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		<title>By: CountingCats</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-235999</link>
		<dc:creator>CountingCats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Printing widgets is all very nice, but how about a humungous portable gadget which will print an entire house, in situ, in about 24 hours?

For a report on Contour Crafting:
http://www.countingcats.com/?p=347

Have a look at some of the animations on the Contour crafting site, the music is so inappropriate to the imagery I can&#039;t help but watch them over and again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Printing widgets is all very nice, but how about a humungous portable gadget which will print an entire house, in situ, in about 24 hours?</p>
<p>For a report on Contour Crafting:<br />
<a href="http://www.countingcats.com/?p=347" rel="nofollow">http://www.countingcats.com/?p=347</a></p>
<p>Have a look at some of the animations on the Contour crafting site, the music is so inappropriate to the imagery I can&#8217;t help but watch them over and again.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-235998</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen Willmer - &quot;could this technology be used to create food&quot; - pot noodles maybe but anything edible and perishable  is unlikely.  I think we&#039;ve already peaked  in that field with the teasmaid.

I saw some articles about printing medicinal tablets etc.  Nice &lt;em&gt;blue sky thinking&lt;/em&gt; but not practically feasible even at the pharmacy and the pharma companies won&#039;t let that golden goose out in the open.

Sorry for the previous double post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Willmer &#8211; &#8220;could this technology be used to create food&#8221; &#8211; pot noodles maybe but anything edible and perishable  is unlikely.  I think we&#8217;ve already peaked  in that field with the teasmaid.</p>
<p>I saw some articles about printing medicinal tablets etc.  Nice <em>blue sky thinking</em> but not practically feasible even at the pharmacy and the pharma companies won&#8217;t let that golden goose out in the open.</p>
<p>Sorry for the previous double post.</p>
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		<title>By: llamas</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-235997</link>
		<dc:creator>llamas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russ in Texas - I&#039;m sure you understand that, if you give machines like this to a bunch of engineers, they&#039;re going to end up using them for all sorts of things. So we do have a fair amount of experience in what you might call off-label applications.

For any of the metal technologies - I would suggest that you wait a bit. I don&#039;t see them as yet being ready for what you describe without a lot of post-processing.

If you are looking for 99%-realistic replicas of historical metal artefacts, I think I would suggest that you see if you can find a good powder-metal processor, who will almost-certainly be in China these days. These folks have some technologies for making short-run parts that are almost-as-good-as-machined for surprisingly-little money.

You can also exploit some of the really-snappy scanning techniques now coming into wide use, and simply export a 3D scan to a 5-axis milling machine, which will make a perfect replica.

For plastic materials, for the high-end amateur or the low-end professional, I would recommend the U-Print desk-top 3D printer. This machine is made by Stratasys, which makes a lot of much-larger and higher-end machines, but it is sold under several licensed named, including one version by HP. This is a full-function filament-fusion machine that uses the latest and best soluble-support technology. I believe the latest models can be bought for less than U$14K. The range of available materials is limited at present but expect it to expand, just as it has for their higher-end &#039;Dimension&#039; machines. This is a kick-*ss little machine that will take files directly from your better CAD systems and handle all of the processing in a simple, user-friendly GUI format. The filament material is a little spendy, but I guess that&#039;s their business model - razors and blades.

With one of these and a little imagination, it&#039;s just stunning what you can make. The &#039;party piece&#039; for this machine is an 8&quot; Crescent wrench, grown in a single build (no assembly), that works. I have built complete, working inkjet printer mechanisms on this very machine. I think it&#039;s the most-advanced and most-accessible machine on the market right now. But wait 5 minutes  . . . .

llater,

llamas]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ in Texas &#8211; I&#8217;m sure you understand that, if you give machines like this to a bunch of engineers, they&#8217;re going to end up using them for all sorts of things. So we do have a fair amount of experience in what you might call off-label applications.</p>
<p>For any of the metal technologies &#8211; I would suggest that you wait a bit. I don&#8217;t see them as yet being ready for what you describe without a lot of post-processing.</p>
<p>If you are looking for 99%-realistic replicas of historical metal artefacts, I think I would suggest that you see if you can find a good powder-metal processor, who will almost-certainly be in China these days. These folks have some technologies for making short-run parts that are almost-as-good-as-machined for surprisingly-little money.</p>
<p>You can also exploit some of the really-snappy scanning techniques now coming into wide use, and simply export a 3D scan to a 5-axis milling machine, which will make a perfect replica.</p>
<p>For plastic materials, for the high-end amateur or the low-end professional, I would recommend the U-Print desk-top 3D printer. This machine is made by Stratasys, which makes a lot of much-larger and higher-end machines, but it is sold under several licensed named, including one version by HP. This is a full-function filament-fusion machine that uses the latest and best soluble-support technology. I believe the latest models can be bought for less than U$14K. The range of available materials is limited at present but expect it to expand, just as it has for their higher-end &#8216;Dimension&#8217; machines. This is a kick-*ss little machine that will take files directly from your better CAD systems and handle all of the processing in a simple, user-friendly GUI format. The filament material is a little spendy, but I guess that&#8217;s their business model &#8211; razors and blades.</p>
<p>With one of these and a little imagination, it&#8217;s just stunning what you can make. The &#8216;party piece&#8217; for this machine is an 8&#8243; Crescent wrench, grown in a single build (no assembly), that works. I have built complete, working inkjet printer mechanisms on this very machine. I think it&#8217;s the most-advanced and most-accessible machine on the market right now. But wait 5 minutes  . . . .</p>
<p>llater,</p>
<p>llamas</p>
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		<title>By: Russ in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/07/3d-printing-mat/#comment-235996</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[llamas, for what it&#039;s worth (not sure my needs lines up with your workflow as a pro), any advice you&#039;ve got on this score -- I&#039;m all ears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>llamas, for what it&#8217;s worth (not sure my needs lines up with your workflow as a pro), any advice you&#8217;ve got on this score &#8212; I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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