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	<title>Comments on: Fast &amp; Furious: why &#8216;Bush started it&#8217; will not save Obama</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235184</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alisa.

They had Fox News on at the local MacDonalds.

Then there is a hope.

As long as it was not Shep Smith and the JOURNALISTS (his stress) of Fox News.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alisa.</p>
<p>They had Fox News on at the local MacDonalds.</p>
<p>Then there is a hope.</p>
<p>As long as it was not Shep Smith and the JOURNALISTS (his stress) of Fox News.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235183</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say, that post from &quot;Hair Again&quot; (really?) was a cut* above the usual pap you get from spammers. It almost looked like a real post, until you realize that it has no substance and absolutely nothing to do with the thread. The Smitebot has been successfully spoofed!

* Pun intended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, that post from &#8220;Hair Again&#8221; (really?) was a cut* above the usual pap you get from spammers. It almost looked like a real post, until you realize that it has no substance and absolutely nothing to do with the thread. The Smitebot has been successfully spoofed!</p>
<p>* Pun intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235182</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://youtu.be/UFIpoL3jrfo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; an excellent video editorial on the history and implications of &quot;Fast and Furious&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://youtu.be/UFIpoL3jrfo" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s</a> an excellent video editorial on the history and implications of &#8220;Fast and Furious&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235181</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not so sure about that anymore, Paul: on this last trip to the US, in at least one McDonalds where they had a TV screen, they had FOX News on. 

I believe that most people do have the MSM channels &lt;em&gt;on&lt;/em&gt;. However, how much they actually watch, &lt;em&gt;listen&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;believe&lt;/em&gt;, is a separate question. I don&#039;t know if this particular scandal will affect those people - namely, those who don&#039;t necessarily follow the news closely and do not obsess over politics. But the thing is, most of these people are much worse now than they were, oh, a decade ago: unemployment, high prices, draconian regulations, etc. These factors seem to me to be much more powerful than a couple of hundred of dead Mexicans and one dead BP agent. It&#039;s the economy, stupid.

Now, when it comes to people who are interested and are following the news, or have special political interests (such as, on the Left, the unions and welfare recipients) - on either side of the left-right divide - F&amp;F will only reinforce their existing agenda: for the Right it is the greatest outrage since the Clinton&#039;s shenanigans (and possibly worse). For the Left it: never happened, Bush started it Holder ended it, and it was for a good cause anyway. 

I guess what I&#039;m saying is that at this point these elections can only be influenced by economic factors, and I have trouble seeing how these factors can be now made positive enough to drastically change the picture for the better. I could be wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so sure about that anymore, Paul: on this last trip to the US, in at least one McDonalds where they had a TV screen, they had FOX News on. </p>
<p>I believe that most people do have the MSM channels <em>on</em>. However, how much they actually watch, <em>listen</em> and <em>believe</em>, is a separate question. I don&#8217;t know if this particular scandal will affect those people &#8211; namely, those who don&#8217;t necessarily follow the news closely and do not obsess over politics. But the thing is, most of these people are much worse now than they were, oh, a decade ago: unemployment, high prices, draconian regulations, etc. These factors seem to me to be much more powerful than a couple of hundred of dead Mexicans and one dead BP agent. It&#8217;s the economy, stupid.</p>
<p>Now, when it comes to people who are interested and are following the news, or have special political interests (such as, on the Left, the unions and welfare recipients) &#8211; on either side of the left-right divide &#8211; F&#038;F will only reinforce their existing agenda: for the Right it is the greatest outrage since the Clinton&#8217;s shenanigans (and possibly worse). For the Left it: never happened, Bush started it Holder ended it, and it was for a good cause anyway. </p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that at this point these elections can only be influenced by economic factors, and I have trouble seeing how these factors can be now made positive enough to drastically change the picture for the better. I could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235180</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the Obama/Holder defence &quot;it is the fault of George Bush&quot; should fail.

But it may not fail in the court of public opinion - for a particular reason.

Most people still get their news (what little news they do get) from the &quot;mainstream&quot; media.

And the msm (with a few honourable exceptions - for example the reporting of a few brave people at CBS over Fast and Furious has surprised me) do not CARE about the deaths of Mexixcans or the deaths of Americans (a million Brian Terrys could die for all most of the msm care).

They care only for the &quot;Progressive&quot; cause, and its servant Barack Obama.

Yes the msm is dying - but it will spit its poison of lies and spin to the very end.

As will the education system - the schools and the universities.

And they have vast taxpayer subsidy to support their hard core collectivist propaganda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the Obama/Holder defence &#8220;it is the fault of George Bush&#8221; should fail.</p>
<p>But it may not fail in the court of public opinion &#8211; for a particular reason.</p>
<p>Most people still get their news (what little news they do get) from the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; media.</p>
<p>And the msm (with a few honourable exceptions &#8211; for example the reporting of a few brave people at CBS over Fast and Furious has surprised me) do not CARE about the deaths of Mexixcans or the deaths of Americans (a million Brian Terrys could die for all most of the msm care).</p>
<p>They care only for the &#8220;Progressive&#8221; cause, and its servant Barack Obama.</p>
<p>Yes the msm is dying &#8211; but it will spit its poison of lies and spin to the very end.</p>
<p>As will the education system &#8211; the schools and the universities.</p>
<p>And they have vast taxpayer subsidy to support their hard core collectivist propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: newrouter</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235179</link>
		<dc:creator>newrouter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Granting for the sake of argument that Fast and Furious was an extension of Wide Receiver and identical with it,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

bush program was in cooperation with the mexican gov&#039;t. baracky/holder told the mexican gov&#039;t nothing about f&amp;f.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Granting for the sake of argument that Fast and Furious was an extension of Wide Receiver and identical with it,</p></blockquote>
<p>bush program was in cooperation with the mexican gov&#8217;t. baracky/holder told the mexican gov&#8217;t nothing about f&#038;f.</p>
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		<title>By: RRS</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235178</link>
		<dc:creator>RRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@TMLutus,

I fear you confuse those of the U S Senate who want a &quot;more efficient&quot; government as wanting a government of less involvement in, and direction of, the affairs of their &quot;constituents.&quot;

There is no demonstrated desire of any meaningful bloc of Senators to reduce their &quot;importance&quot; in &quot;the Affairs of the Nation and its People.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TMLutus,</p>
<p>I fear you confuse those of the U S Senate who want a &#8220;more efficient&#8221; government as wanting a government of less involvement in, and direction of, the affairs of their &#8220;constituents.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no demonstrated desire of any meaningful bloc of Senators to reduce their &#8220;importance&#8221; in &#8220;the Affairs of the Nation and its People.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Staab</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235177</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Staab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama owns Fast &amp; Furious. Executive privilege, a legitimate procedure, is used from the inception of a program, not added to it after results have been botched or bungled.

Comparisons to Watergate seem inevitable, one being that it took far less to bring down Nixon than what seems to have occurred in Fast &amp; Furious. 

300 or more Mexican&#039;s, one border agent, are dead due to the monumental incompetence of this administration.

The hardest thing to answer in this seems to be,Why?
I believe an answer to Why is contained within the reason for Fast &amp; Furious, which may have been an anti-2nd amendment attack as it&#039;s primary purpose.

As a means to track guns, Fast &amp; Furious failed in nearly every possible way. As a means to bring anti-gun sentiments into the election, this failed.  The ideological side of Obama must not be ignored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama owns Fast &#038; Furious. Executive privilege, a legitimate procedure, is used from the inception of a program, not added to it after results have been botched or bungled.</p>
<p>Comparisons to Watergate seem inevitable, one being that it took far less to bring down Nixon than what seems to have occurred in Fast &#038; Furious. </p>
<p>300 or more Mexican&#8217;s, one border agent, are dead due to the monumental incompetence of this administration.</p>
<p>The hardest thing to answer in this seems to be,Why?<br />
I believe an answer to Why is contained within the reason for Fast &#038; Furious, which may have been an anti-2nd amendment attack as it&#8217;s primary purpose.</p>
<p>As a means to track guns, Fast &#038; Furious failed in nearly every possible way. As a means to bring anti-gun sentiments into the election, this failed.  The ideological side of Obama must not be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235176</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with that line of argument, PFP, is that the Administration&#039;s line (or at least its spokesman&#039;s) is that &#039;Bush started it, but Holder - who was unaware of it - ended it&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with that line of argument, PFP, is that the Administration&#8217;s line (or at least its spokesman&#8217;s) is that &#8216;Bush started it, but Holder &#8211; who was unaware of it &#8211; ended it&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235175</link>
		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect that the real progress will be in the House and Senate as the small government types enlarge their number and President Romney is confronted with a Congress pulling him to the small government right. If they can stay focused and actually deliver progress, this is a workable dynamic. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the real progress will be in the House and Senate as the small government types enlarge their number and President Romney is confronted with a Congress pulling him to the small government right. If they can stay focused and actually deliver progress, this is a workable dynamic. </p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235174</link>
		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t usually quote myself from other blogs, but this seems worth repeating:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Granting for the sake of argument that Fast and Furious was an extension of Wide Receiver and identical with it, how does that justify the actual program? At most, it makes Bush guilty, too, and the refusal of the Republicans to investigate him as well makes them hypocrites. But it doesn&#8217;t change a thing with regards to &lt;strong&gt;this&lt;/strong&gt; administration&#8217;s responsibility.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t usually quote myself from other blogs, but this seems worth repeating:</p>
<blockquote><p>Granting for the sake of argument that Fast and Furious was an extension of Wide Receiver and identical with it, how does that justify the actual program? At most, it makes Bush guilty, too, and the refusal of the Republicans to investigate him as well makes them hypocrites. But it doesn&rsquo;t change a thing with regards to <strong>this</strong> administration&rsquo;s responsibility.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: RRS</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/faast-and-furious-contast/#comment-235173</link>
		<dc:creator>RRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok been off a bit.

Look up the current Reith Lectures]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok been off a bit.</p>
<p>Look up the current Reith Lectures</p>
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