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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230855</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Medicant you are mistaken, M - decided to play the Soviet card.

I do not claim that he was a Marxist - but he played the card.

As for the oil - the Shah nationalised it anyway.

But he did not allow Soviet forces near the Gulf.

&quot;But M. was not serious - he was just playing a card....&quot;

Do that and get your heart cut out. That was the CIA view in the 1950s - and they were correct.

However, if M. was innocent (if he really did not have Soviet contacts) then the British agents who framed him (if they did frame him) should have been force fed their own sexual organs - that should go without saying.

As for the British - I do not understand them (and I am British myself).

Such things as the deal with Nasser in 1954 (i.e. the removal of British forces from the Canal Zone in return for piece of paper) make no sense.

The withdrawl of 1954 made the events of 1956 (the nationalization of the canal - and the collapse of Western influence in much of the Middle East) inevitable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medicant you are mistaken, M &#8211; decided to play the Soviet card.</p>
<p>I do not claim that he was a Marxist &#8211; but he played the card.</p>
<p>As for the oil &#8211; the Shah nationalised it anyway.</p>
<p>But he did not allow Soviet forces near the Gulf.</p>
<p>&#8220;But M. was not serious &#8211; he was just playing a card&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do that and get your heart cut out. That was the CIA view in the 1950s &#8211; and they were correct.</p>
<p>However, if M. was innocent (if he really did not have Soviet contacts) then the British agents who framed him (if they did frame him) should have been force fed their own sexual organs &#8211; that should go without saying.</p>
<p>As for the British &#8211; I do not understand them (and I am British myself).</p>
<p>Such things as the deal with Nasser in 1954 (i.e. the removal of British forces from the Canal Zone in return for piece of paper) make no sense.</p>
<p>The withdrawl of 1954 made the events of 1956 (the nationalization of the canal &#8211; and the collapse of Western influence in much of the Middle East) inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: guy herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230854</link>
		<dc:creator>guy herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Penn takes the direct opposite side from his government and country&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s not a problem. I do it all the time. ALL the time. 

Penn&#039;s problem is he&#039;s an idiot. (Fine actors are frequently just a splurge of emotion and empathy. You want superhot steam in a calliope. You don&#039;t want it under your desk with the PC and the genitalia.) &#039;His&#039; government happens to be equivocal on the point currently. But if it agreed with him, it wouldn&#039;t make his view any less idiotic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Penn takes the direct opposite side from his government and country</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a problem. I do it all the time. ALL the time. </p>
<p>Penn&#8217;s problem is he&#8217;s an idiot. (Fine actors are frequently just a splurge of emotion and empathy. You want superhot steam in a calliope. You don&#8217;t want it under your desk with the PC and the genitalia.) &#8216;His&#8217; government happens to be equivocal on the point currently. But if it agreed with him, it wouldn&#8217;t make his view any less idiotic.</p>
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		<title>By: veryretired</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230853</link>
		<dc:creator>veryretired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would estimate my interest in Penn&#039;s political views to be at the same level as my concern about which intoxicant Lohan is doing this week, or who Paris Hilton&#039;s new bff is---zero.

Another example of the reduction of the world&#039;s communications network into a global edition of &quot;Screen Digest&quot;.

It&#039;s not the media&#039;s bias that bothers me, but their endlessly boring trivia, their celebrity driven superficiality, and their abject cowardice.

Pathetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would estimate my interest in Penn&#8217;s political views to be at the same level as my concern about which intoxicant Lohan is doing this week, or who Paris Hilton&#8217;s new bff is&#8212;zero.</p>
<p>Another example of the reduction of the world&#8217;s communications network into a global edition of &#8220;Screen Digest&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the media&#8217;s bias that bothers me, but their endlessly boring trivia, their celebrity driven superficiality, and their abject cowardice.</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mendicant</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230852</link>
		<dc:creator>Mendicant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul, there is no evidence that the &lt;em&gt;democratically elected&lt;/em&gt; Mossadegh government was &quot;pro-Soviet&quot;. Mossadegh was pro-Iranian, and acted in his country&#039;s interests. A patriot. It should be noted that BP arrogantly &lt;em&gt;refused &lt;/em&gt;to negotiate a fairer deal, forcing Mossadegh&#039;s hand.

Mossadegh gave not a toss for Soviet ideology, in fact he was very Pro-American.
Can you not see the irony and hypocrisy of a government (UK) which owned BP throwing a hissy fit over another government (Iran) nationalising its oil?

Thus, the &quot;Soviet&quot; canard dies on its arse when faced with logic.

Why do you think Truman told the Brits to get lost when they called the Waaaambulance?

Operation Ajax was a classic example of big government cronyism and socialism; taxpayers money spent for the benefit of state-owned oil companies.

As for the Falklands, Penn is talking nonsense (but then he is in good company; witness the hilarious, deranged speculation of war in the paranoid UK press), but so is Cameron; the British government&#039;s attitude to sovereignty is truly revealed by the scandalous Wikileaks documents on the Chagos islands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, there is no evidence that the <em>democratically elected</em> Mossadegh government was &#8220;pro-Soviet&#8221;. Mossadegh was pro-Iranian, and acted in his country&#8217;s interests. A patriot. It should be noted that BP arrogantly <em>refused </em>to negotiate a fairer deal, forcing Mossadegh&#8217;s hand.</p>
<p>Mossadegh gave not a toss for Soviet ideology, in fact he was very Pro-American.<br />
Can you not see the irony and hypocrisy of a government (UK) which owned BP throwing a hissy fit over another government (Iran) nationalising its oil?</p>
<p>Thus, the &#8220;Soviet&#8221; canard dies on its arse when faced with logic.</p>
<p>Why do you think Truman told the Brits to get lost when they called the Waaaambulance?</p>
<p>Operation Ajax was a classic example of big government cronyism and socialism; taxpayers money spent for the benefit of state-owned oil companies.</p>
<p>As for the Falklands, Penn is talking nonsense (but then he is in good company; witness the hilarious, deranged speculation of war in the paranoid UK press), but so is Cameron; the British government&#8217;s attitude to sovereignty is truly revealed by the scandalous Wikileaks documents on the Chagos islands.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie G</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230851</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernie G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That Uruguay-Paraguay thing reminded me of the old joke with the punch line &quot;Iceberg, Greenberg, what&#039;s the difference?&quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Uruguay-Paraguay thing reminded me of the old joke with the punch line &#8220;Iceberg, Greenberg, what&#8217;s the difference?&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230850</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Robert, not quite right...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9098633/Cristina-Kirchner-told-to-leave-Falkland-Islanders-alone-by-Argentinas-intellectuals.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Robert, not quite right&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9098633/Cristina-Kirchner-told-to-leave-Falkland-Islanders-alone-by-Argentinas-intellectuals.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9098633/Cristina-Kirchner-told-to-leave-Falkland-Islanders-alone-by-Argentinas-intellectuals.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Speirs</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230849</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Speirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jane Fonda aims an anti-aircraft gun in Hanoi;  Hillary C. attacks W. Bush for lying about WMD&#039;s that she had agreed were there;  Penn takes the direct opposite side from his government and country.  These are not struggles between nations.  They are struggles for dominance within elites in decrepit Western Anglosphere countries.  I don&#039;t see any Argentinian elites upholding the rights of the Falklanders to self-determination.

OT (kind of):  did you see the story about Syrian WMD&#039;s justifying intervention, and, even more mind- boggling if true, that they might be Saddam&#039;s??  What happened to that story?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Fonda aims an anti-aircraft gun in Hanoi;  Hillary C. attacks W. Bush for lying about WMD&#8217;s that she had agreed were there;  Penn takes the direct opposite side from his government and country.  These are not struggles between nations.  They are struggles for dominance within elites in decrepit Western Anglosphere countries.  I don&#8217;t see any Argentinian elites upholding the rights of the Falklanders to self-determination.</p>
<p>OT (kind of):  did you see the story about Syrian WMD&#8217;s justifying intervention, and, even more mind- boggling if true, that they might be Saddam&#8217;s??  What happened to that story?</p>
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		<title>By: MojoMonkee</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230848</link>
		<dc:creator>MojoMonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really can&#039;t understand the mentality on these sorts of issues. Its similar with Spain and Gibraltar, they complain that it is rightfully Spanish because its near Spain whist completely forgetting about the Canaries which are off the coast of Morocco. Presumably they should be Moroccan aswell regardless of the will of the people?

With the Falklands it seems the only right they have is an ancient claim of the Spanish Monarchy. So essentially the &quot;anti-colonialist&quot; Penn respects the law of the Spanish monarchy more than the rights of a few thousand people. How Radical that is   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t understand the mentality on these sorts of issues. Its similar with Spain and Gibraltar, they complain that it is rightfully Spanish because its near Spain whist completely forgetting about the Canaries which are off the coast of Morocco. Presumably they should be Moroccan aswell regardless of the will of the people?</p>
<p>With the Falklands it seems the only right they have is an ancient claim of the Spanish Monarchy. So essentially the &#8220;anti-colonialist&#8221; Penn respects the law of the Spanish monarchy more than the rights of a few thousand people. How Radical that is   </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230847</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more P.C. (the more &quot;the other guy is always right - all the problems in the world are caused by rich, white, males....&quot;) the elite become - the more ignorant they also become.

For example, if the hostility of Iranian regime is caused by America and Britain helping to undermine a pro Soviet government in 1953 (not that most of the media, and so on, could name the date - they would just say &quot;Imperialism&quot; or &quot;colonialism&quot; or some such) then one does not have to know anything about Islamic theology in general, or Shia &quot;hastener&quot; theology in particular.

Just as if Argentina is automatically correct against &quot;colonialist&quot; Britain - then one does not need to know anything about Argentina (for example that this whole islands thing was whipped up by the governments Argentina has had since the 1930s - before this Argentinian governments had little interest in the Falklands).

Nor does one need to know anything about other countries in Latin America  - all one needs to know is that the locals are noble, wickedly oppressed by evil Anglo-American big business, and the local rich.

You could actually send one of the elite media (or other such) types to the Latin American county - and they might still get the name wrong (after all - they would know nothing about the place).

&quot;They need to be educated&quot;.

Sadly they have been &quot;educated&quot; - that is the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more P.C. (the more &#8220;the other guy is always right &#8211; all the problems in the world are caused by rich, white, males&#8230;.&#8221;) the elite become &#8211; the more ignorant they also become.</p>
<p>For example, if the hostility of Iranian regime is caused by America and Britain helping to undermine a pro Soviet government in 1953 (not that most of the media, and so on, could name the date &#8211; they would just say &#8220;Imperialism&#8221; or &#8220;colonialism&#8221; or some such) then one does not have to know anything about Islamic theology in general, or Shia &#8220;hastener&#8221; theology in particular.</p>
<p>Just as if Argentina is automatically correct against &#8220;colonialist&#8221; Britain &#8211; then one does not need to know anything about Argentina (for example that this whole islands thing was whipped up by the governments Argentina has had since the 1930s &#8211; before this Argentinian governments had little interest in the Falklands).</p>
<p>Nor does one need to know anything about other countries in Latin America  &#8211; all one needs to know is that the locals are noble, wickedly oppressed by evil Anglo-American big business, and the local rich.</p>
<p>You could actually send one of the elite media (or other such) types to the Latin American county &#8211; and they might still get the name wrong (after all &#8211; they would know nothing about the place).</p>
<p>&#8220;They need to be educated&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sadly they have been &#8220;educated&#8221; &#8211; that is the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jennings</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2012/02/sean-penn-gets/#comment-230846</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, there probably wasn&#039;t any need for me to defame Paraguay there. Oh well. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there probably wasn&#8217;t any need for me to defame Paraguay there. Oh well. </p>
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