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		<title>By: Schr&#246;dinger 's Gerbil</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/12/intelligence-ga/#comment-228446</link>
		<dc:creator>Schr&#246;dinger 's Gerbil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As regards intelligence gathering I am right up there with Hugh Trevor-Roper and Stuart Hampshire on this. Government intelligence agencies (now THERE is a good oxymoron) tend to place importance upon the source of the information, rather than the actual quality of it. Thus, to quote Trevor-Roper, &quot;... they would prefer some nonsense smuggled out of Sofia in the fly-buttons of a vagabond Rumanian pimp to what they could learn from a prudent reading of the foreign press&quot;.

From what one can glean from a thorough reading of the world&#039;s press agencies&#039; output, which by the way is something I am required by a (corporate) intelligence agency to do on a daily basis, this culture of attaching importance to the source, rather than the actual data is a the problem at the heart of any intelligence gathering operation. When this problem is finally addressed (it won&#039;t be, but we can wistfully dream) then we will actually have genuine intelligence being fed to the right people who can make an properly informed decision.

Nice informative article by the way, but I regret I do not &#039;rate&#039; Mr Ahlberg too greatly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As regards intelligence gathering I am right up there with Hugh Trevor-Roper and Stuart Hampshire on this. Government intelligence agencies (now THERE is a good oxymoron) tend to place importance upon the source of the information, rather than the actual quality of it. Thus, to quote Trevor-Roper, &#8220;&#8230; they would prefer some nonsense smuggled out of Sofia in the fly-buttons of a vagabond Rumanian pimp to what they could learn from a prudent reading of the foreign press&#8221;.</p>
<p>From what one can glean from a thorough reading of the world&#8217;s press agencies&#8217; output, which by the way is something I am required by a (corporate) intelligence agency to do on a daily basis, this culture of attaching importance to the source, rather than the actual data is a the problem at the heart of any intelligence gathering operation. When this problem is finally addressed (it won&#8217;t be, but we can wistfully dream) then we will actually have genuine intelligence being fed to the right people who can make an properly informed decision.</p>
<p>Nice informative article by the way, but I regret I do not &#8216;rate&#8217; Mr Ahlberg too greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/12/intelligence-ga/#comment-228445</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 08:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonanthan quots:

&lt;blockquote&gt;if you&#039;d started using Recorded Future&#039;s predictions to buy US stocks on January 1, 2009, you would have made an annual return of 56.69 per cent. (The S&amp;P 500 had an annualised return of 17.22 per cent over the same period.) Between May 13 and August 5 this year, as markets behaved with vertiginous abandon, their strategy returned 10.4 per cent; in contrast, the S&amp;P 500 lost 9.9 per cent of its value.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s great, exciting, encouraging, stimulating. I want to  believe, I truly do.

But I would bear in mind that the quoted returns were undoubtedly provided by the company, and the start and end points were chosen by them, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonanthan quots:</p>
<blockquote><p>if you&#8217;d started using Recorded Future&#8217;s predictions to buy US stocks on January 1, 2009, you would have made an annual return of 56.69 per cent. (The S&#038;P 500 had an annualised return of 17.22 per cent over the same period.) Between May 13 and August 5 this year, as markets behaved with vertiginous abandon, their strategy returned 10.4 per cent; in contrast, the S&#038;P 500 lost 9.9 per cent of its value.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s great, exciting, encouraging, stimulating. I want to  believe, I truly do.</p>
<p>But I would bear in mind that the quoted returns were undoubtedly provided by the company, and the start and end points were chosen by them, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/12/intelligence-ga/#comment-228444</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 15:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know a lot of the stuff the world&#039;s militaries think is top secret can be found in Jane&#039;s.  When I was an army cadet, we used to be given stuff labelled &quot;restricted&quot; along with stern warnings about not giving them to any passing Paddy (they were the enemy in them days), but which we all had anyway in our copies of &quot;In Combat&quot; (hey, I &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; a teenager).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a lot of the stuff the world&#8217;s militaries think is top secret can be found in Jane&#8217;s.  When I was an army cadet, we used to be given stuff labelled &#8220;restricted&#8221; along with stern warnings about not giving them to any passing Paddy (they were the enemy in them days), but which we all had anyway in our copies of &#8220;In Combat&#8221; (hey, I <em>was</em> a teenager).</p>
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		<title>By: Fiend's Brave Victim</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/12/intelligence-ga/#comment-228443</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiend's Brave Victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hedge funds do this with their algos too, it&#039;s roughly why the markets currently trade almost entirely on rumours nowadays. 50-odd % yield/year probably wasn&#039;t difficult to achieve from late nineties to 2007, in fact I wish I had been a few years further ahead on starting to trade myself a bit. But if their algo is still yielding 10% then good luck to &#039;em, they&#039;re doing better than most of the hedgies, who seem to be faultering now that the easy money is no longer there to be made. Of course you could have just been in precious metals since 2007 and made a lot more than 10%, but you know... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hedge funds do this with their algos too, it&#8217;s roughly why the markets currently trade almost entirely on rumours nowadays. 50-odd % yield/year probably wasn&#8217;t difficult to achieve from late nineties to 2007, in fact I wish I had been a few years further ahead on starting to trade myself a bit. But if their algo is still yielding 10% then good luck to &#8216;em, they&#8217;re doing better than most of the hedgies, who seem to be faultering now that the easy money is no longer there to be made. Of course you could have just been in precious metals since 2007 and made a lot more than 10%, but you know&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Plamus</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/12/intelligence-ga/#comment-228442</link>
		<dc:creator>Plamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 03:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have dabbled in web data-mining as a part of my job, so here are my two cents.  

First, you need a crapload of computing power to do it.  I am sure Google and the CIA can pull it off, but we could not, to the extent where we thought it would work.  You can only run so many machines web-mining Twitter, CNN, Drudge, BBC, WSJ, etc.

Second, it does produce a limited amount of actionable knowledge, but also a crapload of noise.  My company mostly invests on a daily basis, guessing whether the market, or some sectors of it, would go up or down the next day.  Our model that incorporates web-chatter has done okay - up 24% this year, but this has included swings from down 17% to up 54%.  If this were clients&#039; money, as opposed to house money, the clients probably would have bailed en masse when seeing down 17% on their statements.  You cannot run a hedge fund with this kind of volatility.

Third, without a long history (and we do not have it), it&#039;s hard to tease out useful contribution from luck.  If on a single day, where the model made 14% by being beta 2 short (US rating downgrade), we had been wrong, all the gain would have been gone.  It&#039;s very hard (nigh impossible) to backtest such models - it&#039;s just how data sources work.

To recap, I definitely would look at web mining as a source, but I would not bet my 401(k) on it.  If, however, you are looking for longer term trends, and you are looking to improve your hit rate from 53-47 to 60-40, yep, definitely count them in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have dabbled in web data-mining as a part of my job, so here are my two cents.  </p>
<p>First, you need a crapload of computing power to do it.  I am sure Google and the CIA can pull it off, but we could not, to the extent where we thought it would work.  You can only run so many machines web-mining Twitter, CNN, Drudge, BBC, WSJ, etc.</p>
<p>Second, it does produce a limited amount of actionable knowledge, but also a crapload of noise.  My company mostly invests on a daily basis, guessing whether the market, or some sectors of it, would go up or down the next day.  Our model that incorporates web-chatter has done okay &#8211; up 24% this year, but this has included swings from down 17% to up 54%.  If this were clients&#8217; money, as opposed to house money, the clients probably would have bailed en masse when seeing down 17% on their statements.  You cannot run a hedge fund with this kind of volatility.</p>
<p>Third, without a long history (and we do not have it), it&#8217;s hard to tease out useful contribution from luck.  If on a single day, where the model made 14% by being beta 2 short (US rating downgrade), we had been wrong, all the gain would have been gone.  It&#8217;s very hard (nigh impossible) to backtest such models &#8211; it&#8217;s just how data sources work.</p>
<p>To recap, I definitely would look at web mining as a source, but I would not bet my 401(k) on it.  If, however, you are looking for longer term trends, and you are looking to improve your hit rate from 53-47 to 60-40, yep, definitely count them in.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/12/intelligence-ga/#comment-228441</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 03:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s amazing the portrait you can put together from publicly released information.  Talking to people, reading the news, and understanding the past can give valuable insights.

To be frank, I wonder how much SIS/CIA are looking at that sort of stuff and keeping it inside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing the portrait you can put together from publicly released information.  Talking to people, reading the news, and understanding the past can give valuable insights.</p>
<p>To be frank, I wonder how much SIS/CIA are looking at that sort of stuff and keeping it inside.</p>
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		<title>By: James Strong</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 03:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect that the claim that publicly available information used to be neglected is just plain wrong.

40 years ago I was acquainted with a Special  Branch officer who claimed that about half his work time was devoted to simply reading the newspapers: mainstream national titles, local press and the publications of groups like the National Front and the Socialist Workers&#039; Party.

A US diplomat, not a spy, once told me that her job largely consisted of reading the trade and business press and going to product launches and receptions.

Allow for boasting, distortion and the certain knowledge that neither was telling me any secrets and it still shows that open-source intelligence gathering is certainly not cutting edge stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the claim that publicly available information used to be neglected is just plain wrong.</p>
<p>40 years ago I was acquainted with a Special  Branch officer who claimed that about half his work time was devoted to simply reading the newspapers: mainstream national titles, local press and the publications of groups like the National Front and the Socialist Workers&#8217; Party.</p>
<p>A US diplomat, not a spy, once told me that her job largely consisted of reading the trade and business press and going to product launches and receptions.</p>
<p>Allow for boasting, distortion and the certain knowledge that neither was telling me any secrets and it still shows that open-source intelligence gathering is certainly not cutting edge stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/12/intelligence-ga/#comment-228439</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly, and somewhat apropos to the science fiction thread above, Heinlein wrote a short non-fiction piece describing how he was sitting in Russia with his wife and estimated the population of Moscow based  upon various things such as the number of boats using the river. With two slightly different methodologies, they came up with numbers that were significantly less than the official numbers. I forget the details but I think it was very nearly an order of magnitude and was borne out by later information.

So there is a definite contrast between analysis and received information. And perhaps therein lies the link between Science fiction and libertarianism. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, and somewhat apropos to the science fiction thread above, Heinlein wrote a short non-fiction piece describing how he was sitting in Russia with his wife and estimated the population of Moscow based  upon various things such as the number of boats using the river. With two slightly different methodologies, they came up with numbers that were significantly less than the official numbers. I forget the details but I think it was very nearly an order of magnitude and was borne out by later information.</p>
<p>So there is a definite contrast between analysis and received information. And perhaps therein lies the link between Science fiction and libertarianism. </p>
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