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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227254</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goldman Sachs - the Chicago Climate Exchange (all about how to make money from the &quot;Carbon Trading&quot; scam).

Comrade Barack (and others) in his Community Organizer days actually set up the Exchange (with money they took from private charitable trusts - mostly, to the great amusement of the Conrades, set up by dead Republicans).

However, Goldman Sachs moved in quickly - as they always do with a scam. Just as my dear friends at the Economist magazine tend to be very quick to write articles that refer (either as the main feature of the article - or in passing), in positive terms, to the latest fashionable scams.

Although Goldman Sachs were not the first major corporation to try and make money out of the &quot;Carbon Trading&quot; scam.

That was Enron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldman Sachs &#8211; the Chicago Climate Exchange (all about how to make money from the &#8220;Carbon Trading&#8221; scam).</p>
<p>Comrade Barack (and others) in his Community Organizer days actually set up the Exchange (with money they took from private charitable trusts &#8211; mostly, to the great amusement of the Conrades, set up by dead Republicans).</p>
<p>However, Goldman Sachs moved in quickly &#8211; as they always do with a scam. Just as my dear friends at the Economist magazine tend to be very quick to write articles that refer (either as the main feature of the article &#8211; or in passing), in positive terms, to the latest fashionable scams.</p>
<p>Although Goldman Sachs were not the first major corporation to try and make money out of the &#8220;Carbon Trading&#8221; scam.</p>
<p>That was Enron.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227253</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I second that, Johnathan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second that, Johnathan.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnathan Pearce</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227252</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnathan Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having read Michael Lewis&#039;s book, the Big Short, which among other things recounts the exploits of Goldman Sachs in selling and profiting from the crappy sub-prime debt that was part of the recent financial disaster, and then watch as it got bailed out, I can only groan at the thought that that institution is a part of the AGW scam as well. 

Truly, it would gladden my bleak, &quot;Austrian&quot; heart if Goldman had failed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read Michael Lewis&#8217;s book, the Big Short, which among other things recounts the exploits of Goldman Sachs in selling and profiting from the crappy sub-prime debt that was part of the recent financial disaster, and then watch as it got bailed out, I can only groan at the thought that that institution is a part of the AGW scam as well. </p>
<p>Truly, it would gladden my bleak, &#8220;Austrian&#8221; heart if Goldman had failed.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Arvanitis</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227251</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Arvanitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many investment banks have an interest in trading new (and therefore richly priced) risks, especially those that are less correlated with financial markets.

So nothing sinister about weather derivatives, UNLESS it is part of crony-capitalist manipulation.  So if you sell a wind-velocity hedge to an electric turbine investor, or rain cover to a farm, fine.  But if you trade carbon credits made artificially scarce by political fiat, then shame.  The former of course is hard work, and of no interest to Goldman.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many investment banks have an interest in trading new (and therefore richly priced) risks, especially those that are less correlated with financial markets.</p>
<p>So nothing sinister about weather derivatives, UNLESS it is part of crony-capitalist manipulation.  So if you sell a wind-velocity hedge to an electric turbine investor, or rain cover to a farm, fine.  But if you trade carbon credits made artificially scarce by political fiat, then shame.  The former of course is hard work, and of no interest to Goldman.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227250</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, I&#039;m glad you linked that &quot;Open Letter to Dr. Phil Jones&quot; in your last comment. It bears reading.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I&#8217;m glad you linked that &#8220;Open Letter to Dr. Phil Jones&#8221; in your last comment. It bears reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken...</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227249</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, it&#039;s &#039;Instalanche&#039;, as in avalanche.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, it&#8217;s &#8216;Instalanche&#8217;, as in avalanche.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227248</link>
		<dc:creator>Arch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to NASA, 168 billion metric tons (BMT) of CO2 are released into the atmosphere annually.  100 BMT are contributed by warming oceans.  30 BMT each are the results of respiration and decaying biomass.  1 BMT comes from forest fires, half caused by humans.  Industries including distillation, wine making, baking leavened bread and smelting release a total of 1 BMT.  The remaining 6 BMT are due to fossil fuel.  If humans were eliminated, 168 BMT would only decrease by 7.5 BMT.

CO2 is a naturally occurring trace gas, essential to life on Earth.  

In an interview with the Wisconsin Energy Cooperative Newsletter, the late Professor Reid Bryson, the father of climate science, related the following which I have paraphrased.  

As for the effects of green house gasses, in the first 30 feet above the surface, 80% of reflected solar energy is absorbed by water vapor.  CO2 absorbs 0.08%.  H2O is 1000 times more effective than CO2.  You can go outside and spit and have more effect on warming that doubling the level of CO2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to NASA, 168 billion metric tons (BMT) of CO2 are released into the atmosphere annually.  100 BMT are contributed by warming oceans.  30 BMT each are the results of respiration and decaying biomass.  1 BMT comes from forest fires, half caused by humans.  Industries including distillation, wine making, baking leavened bread and smelting release a total of 1 BMT.  The remaining 6 BMT are due to fossil fuel.  If humans were eliminated, 168 BMT would only decrease by 7.5 BMT.</p>
<p>CO2 is a naturally occurring trace gas, essential to life on Earth.  </p>
<p>In an interview with the Wisconsin Energy Cooperative Newsletter, the late Professor Reid Bryson, the father of climate science, related the following which I have paraphrased.  </p>
<p>As for the effects of green house gasses, in the first 30 feet above the surface, 80% of reflected solar energy is absorbed by water vapor.  CO2 absorbs 0.08%.  H2O is 1000 times more effective than CO2.  You can go outside and spit and have more effect on warming that doubling the level of CO2.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Micklethwait</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227247</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Micklethwait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I did wonder about that.  Thanks.  Now corrected.

And the moral is, when you make a mistake, admit it.  Don&#039;t try to pretend you didn&#039;t.  If you do pretend you didn&#039;t, that&#039;s when the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/27/an-open-letter-to-dr-phil-jones-of-the-uea-cru/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;real grief&lt;/a&gt; begins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did wonder about that.  Thanks.  Now corrected.</p>
<p>And the moral is, when you make a mistake, admit it.  Don&#8217;t try to pretend you didn&#8217;t.  If you do pretend you didn&#8217;t, that&#8217;s when the <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/27/an-open-letter-to-dr-phil-jones-of-the-uea-cru/" rel="nofollow">real grief</a> begins.</p>
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		<title>By: BlogDog</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227246</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Insta*lanche*, not Instalaunch. As in &quot;avalanche.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insta*lanche*, not Instalaunch. As in &#8220;avalanche.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Micklethwait</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227245</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Micklethwait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I am coming to see the significance of this second lot of emails not so much as further proof of the dodginess of the UEA scientists, although they are that, but as leading on to the attack on all the various other dodgy institutions who conspired with them to foist this giant con on the world.  Such dodgy institutions as: the British Government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am coming to see the significance of this second lot of emails not so much as further proof of the dodginess of the UEA scientists, although they are that, but as leading on to the attack on all the various other dodgy institutions who conspired with them to foist this giant con on the world.  Such dodgy institutions as: the British Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227244</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the REAL debate is the political one, the science has been so obfuscated and mnaipulated and if it were done honestly the details would be barely accessible to we laypersons.

And, the political debate is about whether to impoverish teh world by severely restricting the use of fossil fuels in favor of much more expensive and less reliable &quot;renewables.&quot;

And for that, not only must &quot;C&quot; be demonstrated, but also the efficacy of the proposed cure must be demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt.  And we are so far from THAT it is just laughable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the REAL debate is the political one, the science has been so obfuscated and mnaipulated and if it were done honestly the details would be barely accessible to we laypersons.</p>
<p>And, the political debate is about whether to impoverish teh world by severely restricting the use of fossil fuels in favor of much more expensive and less reliable &#8220;renewables.&#8221;</p>
<p>And for that, not only must &#8220;C&#8221; be demonstrated, but also the efficacy of the proposed cure must be demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt.  And we are so far from THAT it is just laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/uea-goldman-sac-1/#comment-227243</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems certain that there is some non-zero A, given all that CO2 released, and the demonstrated ability of CO2 to retain heat.

What is not at all certain is that the A factor is &lt;I&gt;remotely significant&lt;/i&gt;, let alone catastrophic.

(In other words, I think A - in the most literal, and also least meaningful sense - is a given, but the form of A people &quot;widely believe in&quot; is not remotely well-supported by evidence.*)

* And thus while denying A is not literally-and-scientifically quite accurate, it&#039;s decently acceptable in the vernacular because what&#039;s &lt;I&gt;really being denied&lt;/i&gt; is significant and relevant A, not any-old-A.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems certain that there is some non-zero A, given all that CO2 released, and the demonstrated ability of CO2 to retain heat.</p>
<p>What is not at all certain is that the A factor is <i>remotely significant</i>, let alone catastrophic.</p>
<p>(In other words, I think A &#8211; in the most literal, and also least meaningful sense &#8211; is a given, but the form of A people &#8220;widely believe in&#8221; is not remotely well-supported by evidence.*)</p>
<p>* And thus while denying A is not literally-and-scientifically quite accurate, it&#8217;s decently acceptable in the vernacular because what&#8217;s <i>really being denied</i> is significant and relevant A, not any-old-A.</p>
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