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		<title>By: PeterT</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/some-thoughts-o-3/#comment-227355</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard, all I had in mind was a voucher with which health care insurance could be purchased. And health care was just an example. I think you get the wider message about how one must think hard about how one can make more friends with the policy than enemies.

Operationally it would be easier to do it through employers since in the UK many of them offer supplementary private health care so basically the infrastructure is already there and it could be implemented swiftly. It is cheaper to buy it through employers rather than individually since there is an element of risk pooling at the company level. Basically it covers specialist treatments. From personal experience I can say it is pretty good, and it made a change being treated with a bit of respect by a doctor for a change.

The US system is deeply flawed and is absolutely not an example of a how a private health care system should work. This doesn&#039;t stop UK leftists pointing the finger to the US system when they want to decry privatised health care. 

Anyway this is a bit off topic now.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, all I had in mind was a voucher with which health care insurance could be purchased. And health care was just an example. I think you get the wider message about how one must think hard about how one can make more friends with the policy than enemies.</p>
<p>Operationally it would be easier to do it through employers since in the UK many of them offer supplementary private health care so basically the infrastructure is already there and it could be implemented swiftly. It is cheaper to buy it through employers rather than individually since there is an element of risk pooling at the company level. Basically it covers specialist treatments. From personal experience I can say it is pretty good, and it made a change being treated with a bit of respect by a doctor for a change.</p>
<p>The US system is deeply flawed and is absolutely not an example of a how a private health care system should work. This doesn&#8217;t stop UK leftists pointing the finger to the US system when they want to decry privatised health care. </p>
<p>Anyway this is a bit off topic now.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/some-thoughts-o-3/#comment-227354</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The jobs the Dem tactical man likes have something in common - they are filled by college graduates.

The left have controlled most universities for decades - so he is only being logical.

Target the people who have already been (at least partly) brainwashed.

But there is another factor (that Nick points out) - some college graduates will not do, the people trained in the &quot;hard stuff&quot; for the productive world.

We here at Samizdata are mostly liberal arts graduates (I am myself), but this should not blind us to the truth.

Most of our fellow humanities and social sciences graduates accepted (sometimes without even knowingi it) a lot of leftist stuff at college.

This makes them a better target for a leftist pitch than say the &quot;mid western gas station attendent&quot; seered at by Brian Barry and other collectivist academics.

Still less a skilled factory worker.

&quot;But the nonwhite thing Paul&quot;.

Standard cultural Marxism (the Political Correctness movement) going back to the Frankfurt School.

Target people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation (and so on).


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jobs the Dem tactical man likes have something in common &#8211; they are filled by college graduates.</p>
<p>The left have controlled most universities for decades &#8211; so he is only being logical.</p>
<p>Target the people who have already been (at least partly) brainwashed.</p>
<p>But there is another factor (that Nick points out) &#8211; some college graduates will not do, the people trained in the &#8220;hard stuff&#8221; for the productive world.</p>
<p>We here at Samizdata are mostly liberal arts graduates (I am myself), but this should not blind us to the truth.</p>
<p>Most of our fellow humanities and social sciences graduates accepted (sometimes without even knowingi it) a lot of leftist stuff at college.</p>
<p>This makes them a better target for a leftist pitch than say the &#8220;mid western gas station attendent&#8221; seered at by Brian Barry and other collectivist academics.</p>
<p>Still less a skilled factory worker.</p>
<p>&#8220;But the nonwhite thing Paul&#8221;.</p>
<p>Standard cultural Marxism (the Political Correctness movement) going back to the Frankfurt School.</p>
<p>Target people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation (and so on).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter, employer provided health insurance is pretty nasty overall. The way it&#039;s done in the US, it ends up making many employees virtual indentured servants to their employers and is, in my opinion, part of the reason the Obamacare plan was able to gain any traction at all.

Not that the US way is the only way to do it I&#039;m sure. Something where it was an inidvidual plan but compensated by the employer might work (hence the employee could take their plan with them in case of a change of employment status). Just be careful what you wish for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, employer provided health insurance is pretty nasty overall. The way it&#8217;s done in the US, it ends up making many employees virtual indentured servants to their employers and is, in my opinion, part of the reason the Obamacare plan was able to gain any traction at all.</p>
<p>Not that the US way is the only way to do it I&#8217;m sure. Something where it was an inidvidual plan but compensated by the employer might work (hence the employee could take their plan with them in case of a change of employment status). Just be careful what you wish for.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterT</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/some-thoughts-o-3/#comment-227352</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why efforts to reform public services are invariably doomed to failure. Witness the bungled NHS reforms. It is better to side-line the existing institutions and their supporters. For example, in the NHS case, if the government had made a law that forced employers to provide private health care insurance (as many already do) but this was slightly more comprehensive than plans usually are at present (at present you need a GP referal to a specialist for the insurance to apply), then within a few years, boom, you have created a large group of people that benefit from the new arrangements. This will make it much more easy politically to then wind down the existing state health service. The problem with this approach is of course that it is expensive; you do have a period where you are paying twice. We also see this in countries such as Sweden that are phasing out their pay as you go pension system in favour of a defined contribution (401K for the Americans) system. But it is probably worth it in the end. 

In summary, if you attempt to achieve political change, it needs to be done gradually, with each step creating more support than resistance. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why efforts to reform public services are invariably doomed to failure. Witness the bungled NHS reforms. It is better to side-line the existing institutions and their supporters. For example, in the NHS case, if the government had made a law that forced employers to provide private health care insurance (as many already do) but this was slightly more comprehensive than plans usually are at present (at present you need a GP referal to a specialist for the insurance to apply), then within a few years, boom, you have created a large group of people that benefit from the new arrangements. This will make it much more easy politically to then wind down the existing state health service. The problem with this approach is of course that it is expensive; you do have a period where you are paying twice. We also see this in countries such as Sweden that are phasing out their pay as you go pension system in favour of a defined contribution (401K for the Americans) system. But it is probably worth it in the end. </p>
<p>In summary, if you attempt to achieve political change, it needs to be done gradually, with each step creating more support than resistance. </p>
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		<title>By: Dale Amon</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/some-thoughts-o-3/#comment-227351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Amon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 01:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, you see we engineers couldn&#039;t get the bureaucrats to leave the planet, so we did... ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you see we engineers couldn&#8217;t get the bureaucrats to leave the planet, so we did&#8230; <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NickM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists&quot;

What, no engineers? I guess they&#039;re all to busy raping Gaia for Halliburton or something. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists&#8221;</p>
<p>What, no engineers? I guess they&#8217;re all to busy raping Gaia for Halliburton or something. </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/some-thoughts-o-3/#comment-227349</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It gives them the &quot;social libertarianism&quot; that they are so wedded to (even if they often don&#039;t get what this actually means), but it insists on the necessity of at least some &#8211; and in the current circumstances of economic crisis &#8211; a lot more - libertarianism in economic matters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So what your saying is give the educated middle class the liberty to sleep with whomever they like whenever they like, ingest, inject or otherwise imbibe whatever substances they want and to work, or not work, at any job, profession, trade or calling that they want, but, and this is the big bit,&lt;em&gt; to take responsibility for their choices&lt;/em&gt;.

Hmm.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It gives them the &#8220;social libertarianism&#8221; that they are so wedded to (even if they often don&#8217;t get what this actually means), but it insists on the necessity of at least some &ndash; and in the current circumstances of economic crisis &ndash; a lot more &#8211; libertarianism in economic matters.</p></blockquote>
<p>So what your saying is give the educated middle class the liberty to sleep with whomever they like whenever they like, ingest, inject or otherwise imbibe whatever substances they want and to work, or not work, at any job, profession, trade or calling that they want, but, and this is the big bit,<em> to take responsibility for their choices</em>.</p>
<p>Hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2011/11/some-thoughts-o-3/#comment-227348</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship...] 

&quot;I come in peace,&quot; it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, &quot;take me to your Lizard.&quot; 

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages. 

&quot;It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see...&quot; 

&quot;You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?&quot; 

&quot;No,&quot; said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, &quot;nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.&quot; 

&quot;Odd,&quot; said Arthur, &quot;I thought you said it was a democracy.&quot; 

&quot;I did,&quot; said ford. &quot;It is.&quot; 

&quot;So,&quot; said Arthur, hoping he wasn&#039;t sounding ridiculously obtuse, &quot;why don&#039;t the people get rid of the lizards?&quot; 

&quot;It honestly doesn&#039;t occur to them,&quot; said Ford. &quot;They&#039;ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they&#039;ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.&quot; 

&quot;You mean they actually vote for the lizards?&quot; 

&quot;Oh yes,&quot; said Ford with a shrug, &quot;of course.&quot; 

&quot;But,&quot; said Arthur, going for the big one again, &quot;why?&quot; 

&quot;Because if they didn&#039;t vote for a lizard,&quot; said Ford, &quot;the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?&quot; 

&quot;What?&quot; 

&quot;I said,&quot; said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, &quot;have you got any gin?&quot; 

&quot;I&#039;ll look. Tell me about the lizards.&quot; 

Ford shrugged again. 

&quot;Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them,&quot; he said. &quot;They&#039;re completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone&#039;s got to say it.&quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship...] </p>
<p>&#8220;I come in peace,&#8221; it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, &#8220;take me to your Lizard.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages. </p>
<p>&#8220;It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;No,&#8221; said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, &#8220;nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Odd,&#8221; said Arthur, &#8220;I thought you said it was a democracy.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I did,&#8221; said ford. &#8220;It is.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;So,&#8221; said Arthur, hoping he wasn&#8217;t sounding ridiculously obtuse, &#8220;why don&#8217;t the people get rid of the lizards?&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;It honestly doesn&#8217;t occur to them,&#8221; said Ford. &#8220;They&#8217;ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they&#8217;ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;You mean they actually vote for the lizards?&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh yes,&#8221; said Ford with a shrug, &#8220;of course.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;But,&#8221; said Arthur, going for the big one again, &#8220;why?&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Because if they didn&#8217;t vote for a lizard,&#8221; said Ford, &#8220;the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;What?&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I said,&#8221; said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, &#8220;have you got any gin?&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll look. Tell me about the lizards.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ford shrugged again. </p>
<p>&#8220;Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them,&#8221; he said. &#8220;They&#8217;re completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone&#8217;s got to say it.&#8221; </p>
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