The British government want to sign up to the Schengen Agreement… but they want the police state parts of it without the free movement of people parts of it
– Guy Herbert
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The article tells us about the Schengen Agreement, but where is the link to what the British authorities want? Or are you just assuming that authorities always want more?
I think you misunderstand the purpose of a SQOTD, Nuke.
Guy is correct.
The Lib/Con government is not wonderful.
But then that became obvious long before the general election when Mr Cameron made it known that he considered David Davis (a moderate who bent over backwards to try and work with John Major – and got branded “Mr No” for his pains) an unacceptable “extremist” on civil liberties.
Good to know there will not be any “extreme” civil liberty in Britain.
The fact that the media got the Green Tosser elected as Conservative leader on the basis of a half decent speech without notes is a tragedy for what is left of Britain.
Perry de Havilland – Nuke is not the only one, then, that doesn’t understand the “purpose of a SQOTD” …
Cuz this one makes Guy Herbert sound like a Grauniadista rather than a rational human being …
“The British government, at a conference in Portsmouth, want to sign up to Jonathan Swift’s ‘A Modest Proposal’ … but they want it only to be made from Catholic people parts – hence calling it ‘Solent Green’ …”
So – what is the purpose of a SQOTD ?
Because observing that the government wants to agree to more European police powers but not free movement of people from the EU is… irrational?
Oh, but I am a Guardianista.
Whoever may happen to be a guardianista, it would still be nice to have some background to this story.
If Guy chooses to write an article on the subject, well fine, but this is just a QUOTE of something he said over Armagnac whilst at Samizdata HQ.
Like all SQOTD, it is intended to spark interest, give a nibble sized bit of insight or just induce giggles.
Perry and Guy – I second mdc’s comment – it would be nice to have more of the background/context …
Guy – while I am not yet fully convinced that it is possible to be a Guardianista, it was a pleasantly astonishing surprise to see an article associated with the Grauniad that did not seem to contain spelling errors, nor indeed did it seem to contain syntactic errors … even *more* unexpectedly, the article even seems to make rational sense, something not often associated with the Grauniad …
Still, it is possible that, with the advent of F7, even the Grauniad-of-ancient-and-relaible-tradition may be morphing into the Guardian …
“We have had capitalism versus socialism” but not the conflict between “right and left is vanishing”.
False.
Even leaving aside the American example (not just Marxists like Comrade Barack Obama – but also nonMarxist rabid collectivists such as Speaker Pelosi) and stinking strictly to Britain……
Tony Blair inherited a government whose size and scope would have horrified Charles the first (in his WORST moments he never wanted a government like this) and Oliver Cromwell (ditto). And then Mr Blair and Mr Brown proceeded to make government varstly bigger – not just in its police powers, but in its economic size and scope.
The level of government spending and regulatiosn is vast (and has expanded at an incredible rate) yet Guy Herbert talks of the conflict beween socialism and capitalism (between left and right – if these terms are supposed to mean between big government spending and regulations and smaller government spending and regulations) being a matter of the past.
False – totally false.
“But I had to write like that – I was dealing with Guardian readers”.
If one has to lie (on a vast scale) in order to be able to talk to a certain group of people – then do not talk to them.
By the way the opposition of the Mark Thomas, Jeremy Hardy, Mark Steel (and so on) types to I.D. cards, Euro arrest warrents (and so on) would vanish like snow in a blast furnance if they ever got the “People’s Europe” they want.
To think they are sincere in their support for “Civil Liberties” is a great (possibly fatal) error.
“But you have never even met these people Paul” – no, neither can I spell their names.
However, I know these people – far better than those who have met them many times.
I know how their minds work and what really motivates them.
I know this because I have a lot of darkness in my own nature – so they are by no means alien to me (not quite “it takes one to know one” – but close to it, I only have to hear one speak for a minute or so to know what he or she is, and I am very rarely mistaken) as, I believe, they are to GOOD people like Guy Herbert.
By the way – I repeat that Guy Herbert is correct.
The British govenrment accepts the free movement (and power) of the police forces of other nations into Britain part of the E.U. – but it does not accept the free movement of ordinary people idea of the E.U.
That is simply factual reporting (Guy is reporting the view the British government holds – and acts on), not being a “Guardianista”.
Don’t forget, I live in Australia, so what seems obvious to you about the British State is not immediately clear to outsiders.