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		<title>By: Alasdair</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205686</link>
		<dc:creator>Alasdair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since the enviro-weenies got DDT banned, thus sentencing millions of people around the planet to death earlier than had to be, isn&#039;t it time to ban enviro-weenies ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the enviro-weenies got DDT banned, thus sentencing millions of people around the planet to death earlier than had to be, isn&#8217;t it time to ban enviro-weenies ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ - and to those simpering imbeciles who blather, invariably in dreamlike bliss, &lt;em&gt;&quot;If only one life is saved...&lt;/em&gt;

 - then we MUST ban cars!  We MUST ban alcohol, in all its forms!  We MUST ban bicycles, and vegetarianism!

What&#039;s good for the goose...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8211; and to those simpering imbeciles who blather, invariably in dreamlike bliss, <em>&#8220;If only one life is saved&#8230;</em></p>
<p> &#8211; then we MUST ban cars!  We MUST ban alcohol, in all its forms!  We MUST ban bicycles, and vegetarianism!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s good for the goose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tedd</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205684</link>
		<dc:creator>Tedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If you have to tread on the freedoms of innocent people to catch the lawless you&#039;re doing it wrong.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very nice turn of phrase, that.  Reminds me of one of my favourite quotes.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Any coward can tolerate tyranny. It takes a brave man to live in a free society.&quot;
-- Bill Hagness, Deputy Chief, Wisconsin Capitol Police, while discussing security preparations for the upcoming Wisconsin State Fair in 2002
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you have to tread on the freedoms of innocent people to catch the lawless you&#8217;re doing it wrong.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Very nice turn of phrase, that.  Reminds me of one of my favourite quotes.</p>
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&#8220;Any coward can tolerate tyranny. It takes a brave man to live in a free society.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Bill Hagness, Deputy Chief, Wisconsin Capitol Police, while discussing security preparations for the upcoming Wisconsin State Fair in 2002
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205683</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laird,

    Love Claire Wolfe&#039;s book &quot;179 Things to Do &#039;til The Revolution&quot;:

    &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;America is at that awkward stage, it&#039;s too late to work within the system, but it&#039;s too early to shoot the bastards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laird,</p>
<p>    Love Claire Wolfe&#8217;s book &#8220;179 Things to Do &#8217;til The Revolution&#8221;:</p>
<p>    <em><strong><br />
<blockquote>America is at that awkward stage, it&#8217;s too late to work within the system, but it&#8217;s too early to shoot the bastards.</p></blockquote>
<p></strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205682</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max, you might enjoy &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.paladin-press.com/product/The_Freedom_Outlaws_Handbook/Personal_Freedom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, you might enjoy <a href="http://www.paladin-press.com/product/The_Freedom_Outlaws_Handbook/Personal_Freedom" rel="nofollow">this book</a>. </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205681</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This stuff was brought home to me when I went to the Isle of Man, some years ago now.

I had to arrive over an hour early and go through all sorts of nonsense.

All because (supposedly) their might be an attack on the ship taking me to the island.

There was no evidence of any such attack you understand - it was ANY ship going anywhere (and any aircraft and .......).

Of course a determined terrorist will get round such checks with ease. The checks basically rely on people playing along. I spotted all sorts of ways to cheat - as I did on my recent air trip to Ulster, I could have got on that aircraft with just about anything. I did not cheat - but I could have, and a terrorist would.

It is not really about catching terrorists and preventing attacks - it is about being seen to &quot;do something&quot; and an excuse for yet more state involvement in life.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stuff was brought home to me when I went to the Isle of Man, some years ago now.</p>
<p>I had to arrive over an hour early and go through all sorts of nonsense.</p>
<p>All because (supposedly) their might be an attack on the ship taking me to the island.</p>
<p>There was no evidence of any such attack you understand &#8211; it was ANY ship going anywhere (and any aircraft and &#8230;&#8230;.).</p>
<p>Of course a determined terrorist will get round such checks with ease. The checks basically rely on people playing along. I spotted all sorts of ways to cheat &#8211; as I did on my recent air trip to Ulster, I could have got on that aircraft with just about anything. I did not cheat &#8211; but I could have, and a terrorist would.</p>
<p>It is not really about catching terrorists and preventing attacks &#8211; it is about being seen to &#8220;do something&#8221; and an excuse for yet more state involvement in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carpenter (Libertarian Party)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Carpenter (Libertarian Party)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One wonders how much this cost vs the price of just properly checking applications or, as is hinted above, reviewing the application process/content to make it more effective and robust/leak-proof.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders how much this cost vs the price of just properly checking applications or, as is hinted above, reviewing the application process/content to make it more effective and robust/leak-proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuckles</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205679</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, but think how many new jobs as Passport Interview Officers were created for the faithful and the camp followers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but think how many new jobs as Passport Interview Officers were created for the faithful and the camp followers?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Van Horn</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205678</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Van Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laird..change your perception.Do you agree with the action being demanded of you ? Whose rules are you obeying and why ? Do you want to be a tax slave ?Unfortunately,.. you have to think like a criminal....yes, bin every form not mandatory, think before  answering every question..why do they want to know this, are they entitled to know ? Civil disobedience should become second nature.Your personal philosophy is  important.Happy slaving for a state that demands two incomes to support one family ? You don&#039;t keep what you earn..you are returned pocket money. Just remember the State is not your friend , act as such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laird..change your perception.Do you agree with the action being demanded of you ? Whose rules are you obeying and why ? Do you want to be a tax slave ?Unfortunately,.. you have to think like a criminal&#8230;.yes, bin every form not mandatory, think before  answering every question..why do they want to know this, are they entitled to know ? Civil disobedience should become second nature.Your personal philosophy is  important.Happy slaving for a state that demands two incomes to support one family ? You don&#8217;t keep what you earn..you are returned pocket money. Just remember the State is not your friend , act as such.</p>
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		<title>By: guy herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205677</link>
		<dc:creator>guy herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest Writer falls into the same trap as the Telegraph journalist. He follows the Home Office logic of: we did it, therefore it was justifiable. 

The facts are interviews resulted in 8 passport refusals, not 8 passport refusals &lt;em&gt;for fraud&lt;/em&gt;. The &#039;for fraud&#039; is actually an unsupported assertion, rather like the one where the Home Office says CRB checks prevented X thousand &#039;unsuitable people&#039; from working with children. The only evidence that they were &#039;unsuitable&#039; is that the CRB check resulted in their barring. This is the solipsistic character of many Home Office stats. 

Eight people failed to satisfy the bureaucracy at their passport interview.How many of those were unable to answer questions? How many refused to answer questions? Is an inability to say when and where your parents were born, for example, evidence of fraud? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest Writer falls into the same trap as the Telegraph journalist. He follows the Home Office logic of: we did it, therefore it was justifiable. </p>
<p>The facts are interviews resulted in 8 passport refusals, not 8 passport refusals <em>for fraud</em>. The &#8216;for fraud&#8217; is actually an unsupported assertion, rather like the one where the Home Office says CRB checks prevented X thousand &#8216;unsuitable people&#8217; from working with children. The only evidence that they were &#8216;unsuitable&#8217; is that the CRB check resulted in their barring. This is the solipsistic character of many Home Office stats. </p>
<p>Eight people failed to satisfy the bureaucracy at their passport interview.How many of those were unable to answer questions? How many refused to answer questions? Is an inability to say when and where your parents were born, for example, evidence of fraud? </p>
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		<title>By: Gray Woodland</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205676</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray Woodland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The statist would respond - reasonably on the face of it - that the checks are a disincentive to fraud, and that in their absence the ratio of fraudulent to genuine applications would be much, much higher.

And then I would point to the Safety Theatre Of Your Choice, and ask why in that case the government gives so much weight to making sure everybody is intrusively checked, and so little weight to making the check particularly relevant to the purpose.

Evildoers who are also eejits are undoubtedly a problem, but perhaps our whole society ought not to be wrapped around the terror of them.  Anticipating every possible action of evildoers who are &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; also eejits can probably be only achieved by shooting all and sundry on suspicion of Original Sin: even for radical reformers, this is a bit draconian.  

Our present system, whereby one is effectually barred from blowing up buildings or going all Gary Glitter unless one has passed a sort of impromptu practical GCSE in the subject, is a happy compromise.  Evil is still done, but only by qualified evildoers who have demonstrated familiarity with the appropriate government regulations.  Thus, a more &lt;em&gt;professional&lt;/em&gt; quality of evil is achieved - and though we must all make serious sacrifices for it, at least we will be able to sleep unsoundly in our beds in consequence.

You know it makes sense!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statist would respond &#8211; reasonably on the face of it &#8211; that the checks are a disincentive to fraud, and that in their absence the ratio of fraudulent to genuine applications would be much, much higher.</p>
<p>And then I would point to the Safety Theatre Of Your Choice, and ask why in that case the government gives so much weight to making sure everybody is intrusively checked, and so little weight to making the check particularly relevant to the purpose.</p>
<p>Evildoers who are also eejits are undoubtedly a problem, but perhaps our whole society ought not to be wrapped around the terror of them.  Anticipating every possible action of evildoers who are <em>not</em> also eejits can probably be only achieved by shooting all and sundry on suspicion of Original Sin: even for radical reformers, this is a bit draconian.  </p>
<p>Our present system, whereby one is effectually barred from blowing up buildings or going all Gary Glitter unless one has passed a sort of impromptu practical GCSE in the subject, is a happy compromise.  Evil is still done, but only by qualified evildoers who have demonstrated familiarity with the appropriate government regulations.  Thus, a more <em>professional</em> quality of evil is achieved &#8211; and though we must all make serious sacrifices for it, at least we will be able to sleep unsoundly in our beds in consequence.</p>
<p>You know it makes sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jennings</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/the-big-evil-do/#comment-205675</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had to undergo one of these passport interviews myself a couple of years ago, as I had just been naturalised and was applying for my first British passport. The interview centre was very big on the whole &quot;No cameras. No laptops. No electronic devices&quot; think, and there were various threatening looking guards and officials and the whole process was rather Orwellian and totally humourless. (&quot;Please spell out your forenames&quot;. &quot;Er, my what?&quot;). The interview itself was completely stupid. I was simply asked questions for which the answers were the same information that I had supplied on the passport application form. Any fraudster who was not completely stupid could pass the interview, and honest people who were completely stupid could probably fail it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to undergo one of these passport interviews myself a couple of years ago, as I had just been naturalised and was applying for my first British passport. The interview centre was very big on the whole &#8220;No cameras. No laptops. No electronic devices&#8221; think, and there were various threatening looking guards and officials and the whole process was rather Orwellian and totally humourless. (&#8220;Please spell out your forenames&#8221;. &#8220;Er, my what?&#8221;). The interview itself was completely stupid. I was simply asked questions for which the answers were the same information that I had supplied on the passport application form. Any fraudster who was not completely stupid could pass the interview, and honest people who were completely stupid could probably fail it. </p>
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