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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206167</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, they don&#039;t give much coverage to &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704256304575320842792492052.html?mod=djemITP_h&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lawn bowling&lt;/a&gt;, either. Get over it. We may not care much for soccer in the US, but it&#039;s infinitely more popular than cricket. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, they don&#8217;t give much coverage to <a target="_blank" href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704256304575320842792492052.html?mod=djemITP_h" rel="nofollow">lawn bowling</a>, either. Get over it. We may not care much for soccer in the US, but it&#8217;s infinitely more popular than cricket. </p>
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		<title>By: jsallison</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206166</link>
		<dc:creator>jsallison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 02:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone have pity on a poor colonial and explain why the white field and red cross on a supposedly english flag.  Do I superimpose this over the blue and white scot flag to come up with a union jack?  Is the UK and it&#039;s jack a done deal?  

And why am I annoyed that #$%^ing ESPN doesn&#039;t carry limited overs cricket? (although a week after I beefed at them with email about it they broadcast a 5 minute &#039;highlight&#039;)  I mean gimme a break they show an hour of sumo at a time, for god&#039;s sake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone have pity on a poor colonial and explain why the white field and red cross on a supposedly english flag.  Do I superimpose this over the blue and white scot flag to come up with a union jack?  Is the UK and it&#8217;s jack a done deal?  </p>
<p>And why am I annoyed that #$%^ing ESPN doesn&#8217;t carry limited overs cricket? (although a week after I beefed at them with email about it they broadcast a 5 minute &#8216;highlight&#8217;)  I mean gimme a break they show an hour of sumo at a time, for god&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206165</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, now at least we know what happened to the US team (courtesy of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/21/1693072/dave-barry-blowing-the-vuvuzela.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave Barry&lt;/a&gt;):

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I am pleased to report that the World Cup governing body, FIFA, has finally offered an official explanation of the controversial call in the U.S.-Slovenia game by referee Koman &quot;Ray Charles&quot; Coulibaly of Mars. According to FIFA&#039;s statement, the call -- which cost the U.S. a win -- was made because the referee, quote, &quot;observed a traveling violation by U.S. player Joe Maca.&quot;

Some Americans questioned this explanation, pointing out that (1) there is no such infraction as &quot;traveling&quot; in soccer; (2) Joe Maca has not played on the U.S. national team since 1950; and (3) he died in 1982. But soccer purists argue that this nitpicking is one more example of how Americans do not grasp the free-flowing beauty and subtlety of international soccer, and need to get over their anal-compulsive need to know exactly what the rules are, how much time is left in the match, why the players are constantly falling down and making the &quot;Y&quot; sign from &quot;YMCA,&quot; etc.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now at least we know what happened to the US team (courtesy of <a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/21/1693072/dave-barry-blowing-the-vuvuzela.html" rel="nofollow">Dave Barry</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I am pleased to report that the World Cup governing body, FIFA, has finally offered an official explanation of the controversial call in the U.S.-Slovenia game by referee Koman &#8220;Ray Charles&#8221; Coulibaly of Mars. According to FIFA&#8217;s statement, the call &#8212; which cost the U.S. a win &#8212; was made because the referee, quote, &#8220;observed a traveling violation by U.S. player Joe Maca.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some Americans questioned this explanation, pointing out that (1) there is no such infraction as &#8220;traveling&#8221; in soccer; (2) Joe Maca has not played on the U.S. national team since 1950; and (3) he died in 1982. But soccer purists argue that this nitpicking is one more example of how Americans do not grasp the free-flowing beauty and subtlety of international soccer, and need to get over their anal-compulsive need to know exactly what the rules are, how much time is left in the match, why the players are constantly falling down and making the &#8220;Y&#8221; sign from &#8220;YMCA,&#8221; etc.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sunfish</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206164</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think RAB cares about the English team at all. Now, the way the Welsh team got screwed, blewed, and tattooed, I think I can predict his response: flyrrgh llygrryn Nnyyrrgh!

And baseball isn&#039;t the same as cricket. Cricket games really are three days long. Baseball just seems to take three days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think RAB cares about the English team at all. Now, the way the Welsh team got screwed, blewed, and tattooed, I think I can predict his response: flyrrgh llygrryn Nnyyrrgh!</p>
<p>And baseball isn&#8217;t the same as cricket. Cricket games really are three days long. Baseball just seems to take three days.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206163</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taxi???!!! You&#039;re going to walk, walk I tell you! Did I say walk? I meant crawl, of course!!!

What are we talking about again?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taxi???!!! You&#8217;re going to walk, walk I tell you! Did I say walk? I meant crawl, of course!!!</p>
<p>What are we talking about again?</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206162</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s never going to be a Murray Mount, like there was a Hennman Hill, that&#039;s for sure Ted, but there is a Murray Mint, because you can make a fortune in tennis and sports in general and never come in the first five... Ever!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s never going to be a Murray Mount, like there was a Hennman Hill, that&#8217;s for sure Ted, but there is a Murray Mint, because you can make a fortune in tennis and sports in general and never come in the first five&#8230; Ever!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Schuerzinger</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Schuerzinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 00:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alisa,

RAB is just ticked over the continuation of utter sporting failure by British (technically English in this case) sportsmen and teams.

I&#039;m looking forward to seeing Andy Murray get beaten at Wimbledon.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alisa,</p>
<p>RAB is just ticked over the continuation of utter sporting failure by British (technically English in this case) sportsmen and teams.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing Andy Murray get beaten at Wimbledon.  <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206160</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh Sweetlips! I didn&#039;t mean it the way it sounded.
You being female, and Israeli and all. What would you know of Soccer? (When in a hole stop digging RAB, Ed)

Does this mean that you wont be picking me up at Ben Gurien this weekend, and I&#039;ll have to get a taxi again? ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Sweetlips! I didn&#8217;t mean it the way it sounded.<br />
You being female, and Israeli and all. What would you know of Soccer? (When in a hole stop digging RAB, Ed)</p>
<p>Does this mean that you wont be picking me up at Ben Gurien this weekend, and I&#8217;ll have to get a taxi again? <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206159</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy.</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206158</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure whether to say thanks, or you utter swine! Brian ;-) Now if you were doing a proper editing job, you&#039;d have taken the second hit out of the second para.

Good grief. There are no sociological, political or anthropological reasons that soccer isn&#039;t as big as baseball, football and basketball in the United States. It&#039;s simply a matter of happenstance and circumstance.

Nope, sorry Tom it isn&#039;t. America was, and in many ways still is, a separatist country, and the country they seperated from is Britain.

Now Britain has invented pretty much every game there is on this planet and gave them to the world. 

This was a cunning ploy of course. We take over your countries but we give you a sport to be fanatical about (Soccer, Cricket, Rugby) then we allow you to beat us at these sports, which makes you feel good, while we still control your countries. Simples!

But of course with America, well you just dont like to get beat at anything do ya? So your games are semi self invented, although Baseball is mentioned in Jane Austin and American football is a kind of armour plated rugby.

So you are allowed to win in your own little pool arn&#039;t you? I mean calling the ultimate Baseball games, the World Series is a laugh and a half isn&#039;t it?

Only Basketball and Lacrosse are truly indigenous American Sports, and look how well Lacrosse took off worldwide!

Besides you had a lot of Irish influence in America and they hate British sports for the same reason you do. No Irishman has been any good at Soccer apart from George Best (Who never got to strut his stuff in a World Cup cos the rest of his nation were crap at soccer) and he was Northern Irish anyway.

But I do hope you take this in the spirit it was offered Tom ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether to say thanks, or you utter swine! Brian <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Now if you were doing a proper editing job, you&#8217;d have taken the second hit out of the second para.</p>
<p>Good grief. There are no sociological, political or anthropological reasons that soccer isn&#8217;t as big as baseball, football and basketball in the United States. It&#8217;s simply a matter of happenstance and circumstance.</p>
<p>Nope, sorry Tom it isn&#8217;t. America was, and in many ways still is, a separatist country, and the country they seperated from is Britain.</p>
<p>Now Britain has invented pretty much every game there is on this planet and gave them to the world. </p>
<p>This was a cunning ploy of course. We take over your countries but we give you a sport to be fanatical about (Soccer, Cricket, Rugby) then we allow you to beat us at these sports, which makes you feel good, while we still control your countries. Simples!</p>
<p>But of course with America, well you just dont like to get beat at anything do ya? So your games are semi self invented, although Baseball is mentioned in Jane Austin and American football is a kind of armour plated rugby.</p>
<p>So you are allowed to win in your own little pool arn&#8217;t you? I mean calling the ultimate Baseball games, the World Series is a laugh and a half isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Only Basketball and Lacrosse are truly indigenous American Sports, and look how well Lacrosse took off worldwide!</p>
<p>Besides you had a lot of Irish influence in America and they hate British sports for the same reason you do. No Irishman has been any good at Soccer apart from George Best (Who never got to strut his stuff in a World Cup cos the rest of his nation were crap at soccer) and he was Northern Irish anyway.</p>
<p>But I do hope you take this in the spirit it was offered Tom <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206157</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I think this is one reason that soccer will never be that big in the US.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh, is this it now? This the one we&#039;re going to spotlight for a while, now that the &quot;nobody cares about soccer&quot; and &quot;there&#039;s no scoring&quot; memes seem to be taking a hit?

Good grief. There are no sociological, political or anthropological reasons that soccer isn&#039;t as big as baseball, football and basketball in the United States. It&#039;s simply a matter of happenstance and circumstance. It&#039;s about what happened to get solidified during the age of television and mass media in the 20th century.

Moreover, the idea that soccer &quot;isn&#039;t that big&quot; here is wrong in the first place. The World Cup&#039;s television ratings will rival or even best those of the World Series and NBA Finals; MLS average attendance is on par with the NBA and NHL; the visiting European powerhouse teams and international sides pack 70,000-capacity stadiums every summer; and it&#039;s a massive participation sport. There are three networks devoted to 24/7 soccer, ESPN clearly sees a big future (and $$ signs) in the sport, and Fox bid big money to secure Champions League rights.

So your little post is a big mess. It&#039;s a dose of metaphorical hooey applied to a premise that&#039;s false out of the gate.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I think this is one reason that soccer will never be that big in the US.</em></p>
<p>Oh, is this it now? This the one we&#8217;re going to spotlight for a while, now that the &#8220;nobody cares about soccer&#8221; and &#8220;there&#8217;s no scoring&#8221; memes seem to be taking a hit?</p>
<p>Good grief. There are no sociological, political or anthropological reasons that soccer isn&#8217;t as big as baseball, football and basketball in the United States. It&#8217;s simply a matter of happenstance and circumstance. It&#8217;s about what happened to get solidified during the age of television and mass media in the 20th century.</p>
<p>Moreover, the idea that soccer &#8220;isn&#8217;t that big&#8221; here is wrong in the first place. The World Cup&#8217;s television ratings will rival or even best those of the World Series and NBA Finals; MLS average attendance is on par with the NBA and NHL; the visiting European powerhouse teams and international sides pack 70,000-capacity stadiums every summer; and it&#8217;s a massive participation sport. There are three networks devoted to 24/7 soccer, ESPN clearly sees a big future (and $$ signs) in the sport, and Fox bid big money to secure Champions League rights.</p>
<p>So your little post is a big mess. It&#8217;s a dose of metaphorical hooey applied to a premise that&#8217;s false out of the gate.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/samizdata-quote-663/#comment-206156</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tin hat on here, but I thought England didn&#039;t play that badly on the whole. John Terry got caught out of position for the first two German goals, and the third and fourth were a consequence of England being forced to chase the game and leave the back door open - which would not have been the case had Lampard&#039;s goal been given. When he then hit the bar in the 2nd half from 40 yards or so... well I just knew the game had gone by then. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tin hat on here, but I thought England didn&#8217;t play that badly on the whole. John Terry got caught out of position for the first two German goals, and the third and fourth were a consequence of England being forced to chase the game and leave the back door open &#8211; which would not have been the case had Lampard&#8217;s goal been given. When he then hit the bar in the 2nd half from 40 yards or so&#8230; well I just knew the game had gone by then. </p>
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